Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Empire con
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 04:22:00 -
[1]
Im currently skilling up a miner so that I can fund a character to play in pvp and missions. My question is how long would it take a new char to get into lvl 4 missions, and or be able to hold its own in some pvp. Also for the lvl 4's what ship should I shoot for and what should I fit on it.
Thanks
|
Bestofworst
Gallente Double Eagle Enterprises
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 04:27:00 -
[2]
You can PvP out of the box with an Afterburner / Web / Scram Frigate. As for L4s you'd want to do it in a Battleship with about 800 - 1200 Tank (EFT Checked), which is basically T2 Tank + T2 Reppers (maybe Aux Nano rigs), I'm about 3 months old now in the Dominix, but I havn't been able to do any L4s because of agent grinding (And only 771 DPS tank).
|
Empire con
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 05:27:00 -
[3]
I hear people say they are ratting in a Raven in 0.0 with the 1.6 million Sp with the 100% bonus. Would this be possible?
|
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 07:48:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Empire con I hear people say they are ratting in a Raven in 0.0 with the 1.6 million Sp with the 100% bonus. Would this be possible?
Yes. Might depend somewhat on the rats, but it's perfectly possible.
|
Adophnil
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 08:48:00 -
[5]
Any race is capable of doing LVL4s. Pick the one you like and play it. Aim for a full tech2 tank with tech2 drones first, and worry about t2 guns after that.
|
Emma Peil
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 08:48:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Empire con I hear people say they are ratting in a Raven in 0.0 with the 1.6 million Sp with the 100% bonus. Would this be possible?
Yep.
It's possible to start level 4's in a Raven or Dominix really early. With the old starter characters I was doing level 4 missions in my first month.
As long as you're reasonably careful and do your homework you should be fine. For instance avoid the 'bonus' room on some of the Extravaganza missions, kill the web/scramblers early and you shouldn't have much trouble doing lvl 4's with basic skills & modules.
Tip:
If you're just starting out an Electrochemical Cap Booster can give you a significant boost to your tank, just store some 800s in your cargohold. In a Raven you should have enough for 14-18 units of 800s plus your missiles. They can be a real life-saver for the nooby pilot.
|
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 09:06:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Akita T on 05/05/2009 09:07:24
Originally by: Bestofworst As for L4s you'd want to do it in a Battleship with about 800 - 1200 Tank (EFT Checked), which is basically T2 Tank + T2 Reppers (maybe Aux Nano rigs), I'm about 3 months old now in the Dominix, but I havn't been able to do any L4s because of agent grinding (And only 771 DPS tank).
Aww, come on, that's a tank that's way, way overkill. Most L4 missions you're just fine with an effective 400 DPS tank. Of course, that means you dish out more than "mediocre skills Drake" level damage In the good old days of pre-missile-"adjustment", you could easily do most L4s in a torpedo Raven with a single LARGE shield booster, and not even run it all the time.
P.S. If you really want to go the "tanked to hell and back but barely dealing damage" way, you're much better off sticking with a Drake than attempting to use a battleship.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Ms Delerium
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 12:42:00 -
[8]
roflmao at Raven with 1,6m SP
I will lol when he loses it due to stupid skills/fitting
1,6m is too low even for a proper Drake. At that stage you should be flying a Caracal and barely doing lvl2...
|
Cunane
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 13:45:00 -
[9]
I'm on 3.9mil SP and I'm happily doing level 4's in a domi and I've found that my single rep tank 575 dps tank is more than enough to handle any mission ive done (would not take it into the Angel Bonus room mind) just have to be careful with triggers and aggro, you won't survive by sitting in the middle :p
But yeah, is it opitimal? not yet, but as I said I'm only on 3.9mil SP so alot more skills to be trained up before I even think of afk domi mission fun time.
|
Tahsiana
Minmatar Esto Perpetua
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 15:07:00 -
[10]
For a new character your best bet now is to get +3 implants and train all learning skills to 4 for now. But as for ship types, I went caldari and that's cool if you wanna do that. But honestly I wish I went gallente for pvp though I'm now training into them. The raven is good for a low sp mission runner and imo they have the best sb. But the ishkur and ishtar are awesome and a RR domi or Mega is awesome for fleets. Also armor skills are less intensive then shield skills and armor is win on pvp What Signature? |
|
g0ggalor
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 18:28:00 -
[11]
You can power skill to Battleships and L4s no problem, but they will be hard without many support skills.
It is easy to jump from L1 to L2, and L2 to L3 without having lots of support skills. L4s are a different breed though, and if you are used to the tank of a drake (which is easy to run L3s in even with low skills) then you will be very surprised at the tank of a raven.
Don't spend much skills on ships or weapons for frigs, cruisers, or Battlecruisers. Only train what you need to move to the next level ship. Then train support skills (including drones) while you run missions to bring your standing up to get access to more agents.
This can get you running L4s in less than two months no problem. 4s won't be easy in the beginning, but as you skill up, your tank and dps will improve.
|
VanNostrum
Perkone
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:56:00 -
[12]
thing is you don't have to get into a battleship so early like everybody else does with no skills
why not get specialize for a T2 ship? Start with a stealth bomber. You can train skills in 3 months with CovOps IV (4 months with CovOps V), get 600+ DPS easy. You can rat in it, sneak around with your cloak, explore 0.0 with less fear of ganks. You'll feel great having specialized rather than going the boring frig-cru-bs route like everyone else. Then you can go for recons.
Or try BC-HAC route, then go for Command ships within the year. Yes BS are a must have for alliance fleet warfare, but they're completely overrated for new players. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
|
Saitar
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 21:19:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Saitar on 05/05/2009 21:20:31 try not to listen too much to the folks who say you should be stuck inside an egg until 10 million sp (or ppl who have been here so long that they think "3 months to train is quick!"). a bigger ship will give you more fit options and more hp to play around with, and can be more fun even if you're not "perfectly skilled." but do try to avoid pvp.
i've been ratting in 0.0 in my arb since about 2 mil xp, half of which is in learn skills. a friend has just north of a mil xp and is doing it in his battleship. it's profitable. its fun.
just do it. have a good time.
|
VanNostrum
Perkone
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 21:35:00 -
[14]
Edited by: VanNostrum on 05/05/2009 21:37:11
Originally by: Saitar Edited by: Saitar on 05/05/2009 21:20:31 try not to listen too much to the folks who say you should be stuck inside an egg until 10 million sp (or ppl who have been here so long that they think "3 months to train is quick!"). a bigger ship will give you more fit options and more hp to play around with, and can be more fun even if you're not "perfectly skilled." but do try to avoid pvp.
i've been ratting in 0.0 in my arb since about 2 mil xp, half of which is in learn skills. a friend has just north of a mil xp and is doing it in his battleship. it's profitable. its fun.
just do it. have a good time.
and jump the bandwagon of quitters when 2 frigs jump on him and destroy his poorly fitted BS while ratting? if so many experienced players are all saying the same thing, perhaps there's the possibility that they're right?
There's nothing bad or wrong or embarrasing to be "stuck in an egg". My char is 3 years old and i'm not flying battleships, and i'm not feeling their absence in the slightest bit. If that highly skilled & geared "egg" can kill those poorly fit BSes then perhaps bigger ship is not always better, and smaller ship is not always worse.
Nobody is telling people not to train BSes out of the box, nor that it is impossible to do so, i'm just advising OP that there are other ways out there to have fun and earn ISK, in a safer way. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
|
Saitar
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 21:56:00 -
[15]
Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 05/05/2009 21:37:11 There's nothing bad or wrong or embarrasing to be "stuck in an egg". My char is 3 years old and i'm not flying battleships...
not for nothing but this statement shows that you've perhaps lost touch with the noob experience. 3 months in an egg is an eternity when you are new and have no other skills to play with and few ingame friends.
a 3 year vet can blow 3 months training up with no sweat as they have the skills to spend that time mining or pvping or doing any of a million things maybe even on an alt. new players dont have that luxury and its a real boring game without options.
and yes my friend and i have gotten ganked any number of times "doing things the totally wrong way" according to some, and yet we're having lots of fun and decided to pay up for a subscription after the trial ran out. incorrect battleships / premature 0.0 and all.
had i been initially advised to cocoon up for 3 months doing things "right" i never would have made it past trial.
just sayin that the new person perspective is different in many cases.
|
Jiai Shou
Gallente University of Caille
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 21:57:00 -
[16]
>>My question is how long would it take a new char to get into lvl 4 missions, and or be able to hold its own in some pvp.
If you download the EVEMon tool you'll have a better idea.
|
VanNostrum
Perkone
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 22:23:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Saitar
Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 05/05/2009 21:37:11 There's nothing bad or wrong or embarrasing to be "stuck in an egg". My char is 3 years old and i'm not flying battleships...
not for nothing but this statement shows that you've perhaps lost touch with the noob experience. 3 months in an egg is an eternity when you are new and have no other skills to play with and few ingame friends.
a 3 year vet can blow 3 months training up with no sweat as they have the skills to spend that time mining or pvping or doing any of a million things maybe even on an alt. new players dont have that luxury and its a real boring game without options.
and yes my friend and i have gotten ganked any number of times "doing things the totally wrong way" according to some, and yet we're having lots of fun and decided to pay up for a subscription after the trial ran out. incorrect battleships / premature 0.0 and all.
had i been initially advised to cocoon up for 3 months doing things "right" i never would have made it past trial.
just sayin that the new person perspective is different in many cases.
I do remember how boring and painful it is for the first 3 months, but what i am saying is you don't always enjoy the game more by jumping into a BS within 3 months with no tanking skills, no T2 fitting skills, no cap skills, no navigation skills, no gunnery skills etc. I remember jumping into my typhoon within the first 2 months with horrible gunnery & tank skills and I did feel like an idiot for not being able to kill anything in missions since i simply neglected all the skills i should have trained along with the ship skill.
I then sat down wondering what i was doing wrong and reviewed my skills. I saw i was (obvioulsy) better skilled up for frigate sized ships, so i went for AFs. I tried to get every possible T2 gear&skill for it day by day and found myself easily running level 3 missions in AFs without getting a scratch. It stil is a blast and i thoroughly enjoy flying AFs after 3 years. Firing slow as snail torpedoes from a raven is not for me, not for everyone. I am not claiming to know best, or better than anyone, just talking about my own experience. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
|
Hot Lotto
Minmatar Eve Hot Lotto
|
Posted - 2009.05.05 22:27:00 -
[18]
When I came back to Eve about 1.5 years ago I no longer had my old account. So I started a rifter pilot and had mountains of fun. If you want to just jump into PvP right away go with a rifter and you can have a lot of fun with very low skills. You can also use it ratting to make decent income.
If you want to jump into Missions right away I say go for a Raven and you can do that with pretty low sp also. But you have to be very careful and don't try to PvP in it. Make it your mission only ship and use something smaller/cheaper for PvP. with a little luck and paying close attention to local you can keep that Raven safe for a long time. The hardest part is getting the standing to do lvl 4's. There are skills to help with that but considering your wanting to jump into PvP quick those sp could be better invested. I hated the grind to lvl 4's to be honest, but now that I can do them they aren't that bad.
Lucky for me when i was forced to take a break from Eve again I kept track of my account so I had it when i started back up recently saving me the hassel of starting over again. ___________________________________
EVE HOT LOTTO! Purchase your ticket today for a chance to win millions! |
Jimmy Duce
|
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:51:00 -
[19]
I see 2 *seperate things and some people are answering one and ignoring the other.
pvp - you *can pvp your first day of this new character. For Gallente incursus and tristan are great ships for them. Stick to frigates for pvp. Eventually move up to cruisers thorax/vexor are good picks or T2 frigates ishkur/enyo/taranis/ares hek if you are lucky and have target painters even nemesis [but that would require training torps etc].
For missions, as many others have said it is *possible to do lvl 4's in about a month. The "best" tanked ships are probably what you need for this. An also it means skipping "unneeded" skills such as small guns 4, medium guns 4, destroyers or battlecruisers. Your focus should primarily be on your tank. When you are able to tank properly, a dual rep domi can tank just about any lvl 4 easy, work on T2 drones. Some large guns + T1 drones at start while you work on tank. Then T2 drones. And then you are big enough to think you know what you are doing.
Back to pvp, before you try and pvp in a battleship train up that ignored battlecruiser skill and try that first. It's cheaper, tends to have awesome bonuses and is a step up from a cruiser. And people make less fun of you if you fail fit a battle cruiser than a battleship.
|
Commander Vic
Minmatar Ioncross
|
Posted - 2009.05.07 18:07:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Empire con Im currently skilling up a miner so that I can fund a character to play in pvp and missions. My question is how long would it take a new char to get into lvl 4 missions, and or be able to hold its own in some pvp. Also for the lvl 4's what ship should I shoot for and what should I fit on it.
Thanks
A newly created character focused on PvE can get up and running in level 4's solo in about a month, easily. Since it will be a second character take advantage of the fact that you can spend your first 1.6mil SP at 100% training speed burning through your learning skills. You can also abuse the attribute re-spec by setting up max mem/int to blitz the learning skills and switching to max int/perc for ship command, gunnery (or missiles) and support skills. If you want to use drones it's a little more complicated with their primary attribute being memory so I would recommend a gunboat or missile ship for simplicity, preferably one that doesn't need drones for a substantial portion of it's DPS.
Battleships aren't always the best for level 4 missions, but they're the quickest and easiest ships to skill up for solo level 4s. If you plan on eventually using that same character for PvP you're probably best off training for Amarr BS since you only have to worry about one tank and one weapon system with minimal drone skills (light T2 aren't hard to get) and nothing you train up will be wasted when you do transition over to PvP. Avoid Minmatar as training up good PvE skills with them is a pain, avoid Caldari as that will pigeonhole you into missiles which are lackluster for PvP, if you chose Gallente focus on their gunboats so you don't have to spead too many SP into drones.
For reference, my newest PvP alt is about 1 1/2 months old and able to fly full T2 fit Minmatar & Amarr Assault Frigates and Destroyers and about a week away from CovOps frigates and the CovOps cloaks. Alts are great for this because they allow you to focus intensly on your goal without needing them to be able to do something fun from the start, you have your main character to keep you occupied when the alts are training up slow and boring skills.
|
|
Citamarret
|
Posted - 2009.05.11 00:00:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Ms Delerium roflmao at Raven with 1,6m SP
I will lol when he loses it due to stupid skills/fitting
1,6m is too low even for a proper Drake. At that stage you should be flying a Caracal and barely doing lvl2...
I know lvl4s are a whole new ball field compared to lvl3s, but I just broke 1 mill SP yesterday and I've been soloing lvl3s in a Hurricane for a while now.
|
Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
|
Posted - 2009.05.12 21:58:00 -
[22]
Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 05/05/2009 21:37:11 and jump the bandwagon of quitters when 2 frigs jump on him and destroy his poorly fitted BS while ratting? if so many experienced players are all saying the same thing, perhaps there's the possibility that they're right?
To be fair... I have almost 40 million sp and I'd likely die if 2 frigs jumped me while ratting.
|
Benzaiten Reverse
Caldari Shokei
|
Posted - 2009.05.13 23:27:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Ms Delerium roflmao at Raven with 1,6m SP
I will lol when he loses it due to stupid skills/fitting
1,6m is too low even for a proper Drake. At that stage you should be flying a Caracal and barely doing lvl2...
Hey i did fly all L3's and even some L4's solo in drake when i got 1.6m SP and that was before they were redone as easy as they are now (someone still remembering some missions with 100+ ships at once shooting at you ?)
1.6m is not much but can be sufficient if trained correctly with decent fit.
|
Gaius Balthazzar
|
Posted - 2009.05.15 13:52:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Bestofworst You can PvP out of the box with an Afterburner / Web / Scram Frigate. As for L4s you'd want to do it in a Battleship with about 800 - 1200 Tank (EFT Checked), which is basically T2 Tank + T2 Reppers (maybe Aux Nano rigs), I'm about 3 months old now in the Dominix, but I havn't been able to do any L4s because of agent grinding (And only 771 DPS tank).
Pfffft. I've been doing L4s with a 500 tank, and have had no issues. Its not like the rats are very smart in their tactics.
|
Raukho
Evoke. Ev0ke
|
Posted - 2009.05.15 18:48:00 -
[25]
Don't know if it's been mentioned to lazy to check all posts, although Raven is the fastest easy PVE ship for LVL4's but skilling Raven is not going to help you for PVP. For PVP Amarr is probably the best option atm. But Gallente makes a good compromise good perfomance in both (Amarr is a bit limited due to damage types).
|
Lipsaround
|
Posted - 2009.05.16 08:37:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Bestofworst You can PvP out of the box with an Afterburner / Web / Scram Frigate. As for L4s you'd want to do it in a Battleship with about 800 - 1200 Tank (EFT Checked), which is basically T2 Tank + T2 Reppers (maybe Aux Nano rigs), I'm about 3 months old now in the Dominix, but I havn't been able to do any L4s because of agent grinding (And only 771 DPS tank).
My goodness me what level 4's are you doing?
450dps tank is perfectly adequate for almost all lvl 4's.
And anything over 500dps will quite happily get through missions, as you improve, you can speed things up.
Giving new players like this will have them in all sorts of a stress, its actually quite hard getting a 1300 dps tank on most ships you know, even with vet skills... sheesh.
|
VanNostrum
Perkone
|
Posted - 2009.05.17 00:32:00 -
[27]
Edited by: VanNostrum on 17/05/2009 00:32:58
Originally by: Seragon
Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 05/05/2009 21:37:11 and jump the bandwagon of quitters when 2 frigs jump on him and destroy his poorly fitted BS while ratting? if so many experienced players are all saying the same thing, perhaps there's the possibility that they're right?
To be fair... I have almost 40 million sp and I'd likely die if 2 frigs jumped me while ratting.
that's either cos you're flying a BS with no drone bay (wonder which BS doesn't even have any drone bay) or that you have no decent drone skills for Warrior IIs?
To be honest i wouldn't fly a Battleship if i knew i'd lose it to a frig or two.
|
Nishino Beermaiden
|
Posted - 2009.05.18 11:07:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Nishino Beermaiden on 18/05/2009 11:10:09 L4's easily in a Domi with t2 light/medium and t1 sentry drones, T2 cap, T1 tank dual LAR with 4 mission specific hardeners has me running L4's within a month of starting eve, around 2-2.2 mil SP. A bit slow eating through some BS tanks until I get T2 sentries but doable and a lot more fun and rewarding than L3's.
|
Ms Delerium
|
Posted - 2009.05.18 12:14:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Ms Delerium on 18/05/2009 12:16:29 Edited by: Ms Delerium on 18/05/2009 12:15:29
Originally by: Saitar Edited by: Saitar on 05/05/2009 21:20:31 try not to listen too much to the folks who say you should be stuck inside an egg until 10 million sp (or ppl who have been here so long that they think "3 months to train is quick!"). a bigger ship will give you more fit options and more hp to play around with, and can be more fun even if you're not "perfectly skilled." but do try to avoid pvp.
i've been ratting in 0.0 in my arb since about 2 mil xp, half of which is in learn skills. a friend has just north of a mil xp and is doing it in his battleship. it's profitable. its fun.
just do it. have a good time.
The problem is, many people think everything before a Battleship is an egg. Terrible mistake. This is a long term game, please stop crying for having to wait "looong 3 months" to fly a battleship.
You want to get the ultimate ship after 2 weeks or what. Go back to FPS instant shooting games...
Cruisers and specially battlecruisers are fun stuff to play. A well fitted Drake is a very good tank that will face a Raven in terms of defence. Downside is crappy damage ability to kill L4 battlehsips.
Anyways there are 5 levels of missions, (most forget of L5 cause its in lowsec) you dont need to get into level 4 after 1 month. Enjoy level 1, level 2 and level 3. Thanks.
|
Dodgy Past
|
Posted - 2009.05.18 16:03:00 -
[30]
Took me about 4 months to skill up to L4 Angel missions in an Amarr BS, and that includes a very solid complement of learning skills, a huge chunk of Industry that I was lumbered with from the get go, some limited stuff in other areas to do my bit for the corp and a fondness for the harbie that will last me a long time.
To me the thing that got me through this early period was being in a decent corp and having mates to call on for the harder L4s, would have been a little painful to stay with the L3s which I was finding a doddle in the harbinger. I wouldn't necessarily reccomend it to everyone, but jumping into a BS a tad early teaches you a heck of a lot as every skill you train is designed to maximise the rewards in terms of your ship performance.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |