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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:59:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Lharanai wrote:Would be interesting to see a stat how many trashers and tornados die in highsec without killing their victim :) Well, I can confirm that someone posting in this thread failed to gank one of my alts during a mining ops in a .6 system in dec 2011 . He lost a thrasher. If he had used his ship scanner before attacking, he might have noticed the toon, though pretty much new then, was sitting in a properly tanked ship. Tsk tsk, not ship scanning before ganking. That isn't a good show at all.
Good for you. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:59:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?
Come on CCP - miners need loving, too. It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining. HTFU much? Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions? I think Hulkageddon is a mechanic.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
857
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:04:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?
Come on CCP - miners need loving, too.
I agree, and CCP does too. During the fanfest they specifically stated that of the "3 tiers of EVE" -- combat, crafting, harvesting -- crafting and harvesting hadn't gotten any attention in a long time.
Personally I'm of the opinion that mining should have an interface similar to exploration or PI -- the mining interface would zoom in to the asteroid and then you would have to pick X number of points on the asteroid to actually mine, where X is the number of miners you have (with drones doing their own thing). You would then have to wait for them to cycle before ore comes back in. Every so often the veins would shake up, requiring you move the mining points.
No more bot mining. Of course, no more afk mining -- but that's no loss. Remember, CCP can't develop towards people who don't care enough about their game to actually be bothered playing it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:07:00 -
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Xython wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?
Come on CCP - miners need loving, too. I agree, and CCP does too. During the fanfest they specifically stated that of the "3 tiers of EVE" -- combat, crafting, harvesting -- crafting and harvesting hadn't gotten any attention in a long time. Personally I'm of the opinion that mining should have an interface similar to exploration or PI -- the mining interface would zoom in to the asteroid and then you would have to pick X number of points on the asteroid to actually mine, where X is the number of miners you have (with drones doing their own thing). You would then have to wait for them to cycle before ore comes back in. Every so often the veins would shake up, requiring you move the mining points. No more bot mining. Of course, no more afk mining -- but that's no loss. Remember, CCP can't develop towards people who don't care enough about their game to actually be bothered playing it. Yeah that would be amusing. Painful as all hell to multibox, but still.. heh.. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Jon Taggart
State War Academy Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:17:00 -
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The entire system needs an overhaul. No additional rewards, missions, or content, but a complete and utter makeover. The mechanics are far too boring for such a necessary aspect of the game's economy. It's the only profession in this game that actively encourages its players to do something else while performing the primary activity.
CCP by their own admission know mining is a boring, brainless activity.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2013
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:19:00 -
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So I ran on and was elected on (I believe) the idea mining is long overdue for some improvements in the fundamental experience. I can say my initial impression is that there is interest in mining improvements within the ranks of CCP.
Once the initial CSM 7 summit has happened we will have a lot better idea of what and when we can expect from CCP to finally show the miners the long overdue love we need.
Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!
Issler |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
405
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:26:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So I ran on and was elected on (I believe) the idea mining is long overdue for some improvements in the fundamental experience. I can say my initial impression is that there is interest in mining improvements within the ranks of CCP.
Once the initial CSM 7 summit has happened we will have a lot better idea of what and when we can expect from CCP to finally show the miners the long overdue love we need.
Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!
Issler
If you want mining mechanic changes to be taken seriously, I'd ask your supposed supporters to back off on their torrent of whining posts. Mining mechanics are a thing that needs to be changed. Everyone knows this and I'm sure CCP is working on it. What miners don't need are people coming on the forums and white knighting for them, or getting all buttmad when someone removes them from their ship. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
158
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:26:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience! Yes! Keep bitching and posting terrible threads in completely wrong places that offer no positive ideas! +1 in local |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
631
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:27:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience! Yes! Keep bitching and posting terrible threads in completely wrong places that offer no positive ideas! :golfclap:
You said it ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
300
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:28:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?
Come on CCP - miners need loving, too. It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining. HTFU much? Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions? You seriously didn't know that a few years ago CCP added a bunch of mining missions? It hasn't been 6 years. You're so full of hyperbole there's hyperbole in your hyperbole. And you're way too obsessed with mining for your own good, based on the number of rant threads per day you start. Just a friendly piece of advice: Try to focus on something other than mining for a day.
lol Mining Missions. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
300
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:29:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I ran on and was elected on (I believe) the idea mining is long overdue for some improvements in the fundamental experience. I can say my initial impression is that there is interest in mining improvements within the ranks of CCP.
Once the initial CSM 7 summit has happened we will have a lot better idea of what and when we can expect from CCP to finally show the miners the long overdue love we need.
Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!
Issler If you want mining mechanic changes to be taken seriously, I'd ask your supposed supporters to back off on their torrent of whining posts. Mining mechanics are a thing that needs to be changed. Everyone knows this and I'm sure CCP is working on it. What miners don't need are people coming on the forums and white knighting for them, or getting all buttmad when someone removes them from their ship.
Negative - its been proven that the only time stuff happens in EVE is people whine on the forums. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
32
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:43:00 -
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I make no bones that I mine. I mine to pay for my pvp ship builds, and shizzles. To me mining is in a good spot. It lets me take the game at a slow pace.
All I have to say to the OP is, Mining is not the only thing in EVE. Try something different. I play all aspects of the game. When I load up, and finished my daily routine. I decide how I am going to play. Exploration, pvp, Mining, hauling, chatting, roaming, missioning, bla bla bla......
If you are finding mining "boring" then you are doing to much of it.
o7 |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
286
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:46:00 -
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Botleten wrote:People will stop laughing at miners and looking down on them when CCP does something to where it isn't the most mind-numbingly simple, boring task in the game. My friend who got me into this game mined once for 2-3 minutes while I watched and I decided right then and there I'd never mine, ever. How anyone can pursue it as a 'profession' and keep playing this game for more than a week is beyond me.
It needs some sort of dynamic, such as a small series of random tasks done during it that can affect yield depending on the correct sequence... basically anything that makes it more entertaining than lock asteroid, initiate mining turret/drones, repeat mindlessly for hours on end.
I wish I could quit you.
Actually, I wish I could thumbs up this more. Only so many thumbs People have a hard time determining what words mean. Words. -á |
Freggan
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:20:00 -
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Forgive the obvious, literal and jokingly sane idea but......changing mining would be like trying to get blood out of a rock wouldn't it? It is what it is. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2015
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:26:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience! Yes! Keep bitching and posting terrible threads in completely wrong places that offer no positive ideas!
CCP watches the forums actively. Miners make an impression if they continue show they want change. You may say this is a terrible thread and that it offers no "ideas". Sad thing you miss is this thread shows a segment of Eve is dissatisfied with Eve's direction and they want change! That is in itself an "idea" and should be enough for a reasoned discussion.
We've seen big changes in Eve emerge from disenfranchised players that started movements by posting in these very forums.
If you want a "mining lasers should be greenish blue and work when I click on a triangle" level of design discussion, then yup, this may not be the right place, but sharing the feeling that miner's deserve better in Eve than they have been getting is exactly the sort of discussion I think fits here.
Issler
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:49:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?
Come on CCP - miners need loving, too. It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining. HTFU much? Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions?
His worthless rants are why he's blocked for me. Im assuming he's a Goon alt cause he isnt getting banned for trolling every thread he's in... ****, look at his sig http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:51:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Issler
No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL. I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.
Quote:I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.
When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.
Issler
In case you forgot
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
632
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:54:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Issler No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL. I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help. Quote:I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.
When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are. In case you forgot It doesn't matter, just follow what they say blindly. Arkonor is primary, all strip miners activate aaaaaaaaaa Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:58:00 -
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First, a vocal minority is still a minority. Second, I mine and do fine. Third, OP seems to take it all personally. |
MrDiao
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
6
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:01:00 -
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As far as our economics has to be keep alive by mining macros then we simply hate it. |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
148
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:08:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Issler No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL. I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help. Quote:I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.
When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are. In case you forgot It doesn't matter, just follow what they say blindly. Arkonor is primary, all strip miners activate aaaaaaaaaa
Was that statement more on topic than I thought it was?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
633
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:51:00 -
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MrDiao wrote:As far as our economics has to be keep alive by mining macros then we simply hate it. Mining macros? Better report that to CCP ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:58:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?
Come on CCP - miners need loving, too. It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining. HTFU much? Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions? His worthless rants are why he's blocked for me. Im assuming he's a Goon alt cause he isnt getting banned for trolling every thread he's in... ****, look at his sig
thats odd, HE "liked" the post lol
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
636
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:00:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:thats odd, HE "liked" the post lol Sometimes you just have to, because it's *that* laugh worthy.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2015
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:04:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Issler
No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL. I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help. Quote:I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.
When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.
Issler In case you forgot
I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case.
But that has exactly what to do with the need to improve mining which is what I think this thread is about.
Issler |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
607
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:09:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Issler
No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL. I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help. Quote:I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.
When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.
Issler In case you forgot I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case. But that has exactly what to do with the need to improve mining which is what I think this thread is about. Issler It would be very elucidating to see your opinions about how mining should be "improved." He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Shian Yang
89
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:27:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions?
Greetings capsuleer Arragosa,
In recent weeks New Eden has seen the unholy union of Goonswarm Federation and Helicity combine in Hulkageddon; much to the dismay of miners. Scores upon scores of Hulks and other mining vessels have been obliterated in a raging, chaotic fire.
I propose to you the opportunity for entertainment is already there. Those that choose to point a laser at a rock and wait for their cargo holds to fill should be looking at embracing this opportunity to engage with their nefarious foes. Fit a battleship hull so you have some offence. Mine in a fleet with escorts.
React and create the opportunity for fun at the expense of Hulkageddon. The interesting is there, waiting to bite you in the pod.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Gretix
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:30:00 -
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The only way I could see mining be improved is to figure out some way of not making it a coma inducing process. Like someone mentioned before...give the player some way of affecting the outcome of the mining process. Like a minigame or something where the outcome will determine how much ore is extracted |
Shian Yang
89
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:31:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:But that has exactly what to do with the need to improve mining which is what I think this thread is about.
Greetings capsuleer Dainze,
I believe the intention is to show-case you as the political animal you are; filled with mealy-mouthed platitudes.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2015
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:32:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: It would be very illuminating to see your opinions about how mining should be "improved."
Do a little research, I've talked about it at length. Or look for some new posts about ideas to improve mining in my blog in the next couple of weeks.
How about posts from previous threads..
"So the questions about miners asking to tilt the markets. Not our platform. I want to see the mining experiences get more interesting, rewarding and dynamic. To give the miners a reason to develop active skills to make them more isks. If I am PvP-ing fighting ship to ship my skills matter, my fit matters and my real time actions define my fate. Why isn't there something similar at the high end of mining?"
"The other part about mining is you quickly plateau. You can quickly train all the skills that will ever matter to you, get the best ships that help you mine and then then what? When is the last time something that changed the mining experience or provided a new skill to learn was put into Eve? And yet, this is an activity a huge segment of Eve spends their time doing.
For example, PvX, there is the complexity of ship fitting, even ship choice, real time activities that affect the outcome and real skill will improve your results, you learn and get better. There is no reason mining can't be made more like that.
I'd even suggest this, if mining was working the way a lot of miners would like it, it would be a lot hard to bot it. It would be a dynamic activity where active real time participation would improve results dramatically."
"The ability to keep mining an activity that can stay similar to the current experience if that is what the player wants is important. What I'd like to see is a new more active element. So if you want an more challenging and rewarding mining experience you can be more real time focused and get better rewards. Say a new family of realtime active mining lasers that you have to focus on the 'roid. Or another class of mining droids that you control real time. Just some brainstorming of possible new mining experiences.
An idea I still come back to us comets, something that would add some new skills, something you would have to mine "actively" and if done right could become somethat that as your real skill improves so do your outcomes."
Those were all in my campaign thread.
Or this Issler on Mining
So certainly have had some ideas, but remember I'm not here to "design" Eve. We need to best ideas from the whole player base presented to CCP.
Issler |
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