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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:05:00 -
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I was wondering if any of my fellow players have noticed the systems with loads and loads of industrial ships and shuttles scooting back and forth in specific low sec systems. From what I can figure there is some big active going on in low sec systems with Level 4 courier mission agents, hundreds of industrial ships and shuttles going back and forth practically ignored by the pirates, with no combat ship back up that can tell, running the missions 23-7 from all appearances. They appear to be unattended by any player, if you shoot one of the ships and destroy it the pods donĘt even try and run away just sit there giving you all the time in the world to target them blast them or you can decide not target them and they just sit there. And every once in awhile you will see a transport ship of sometime Blockade runner Deep space transport fly by which I figure is moving the real goods, they are farming.
Honestly I can understand why no one is blasting them into dust tell they stop, since they donĘt have any loot of value on them and donĘt even have modules on them sometimes. Just some mission loot. The only value you could get from it would be salvaging the wrecks. But I call on all the pirates of low sec to blast these micro missioners into star dust. IĘd do it myself but I donĘt want to be a blinky -10. But if they are micro mission runners then they are damaging Eve by farming LPs and read in the market forums that there have been some suspicious implant contracts being made so it maybe the micro miners have found a new way to farm Isk to be sold. So you dastardly pirates how about helping Eve out and discourage this behavior.
By the way some of the systems IĘve noticed this going on in are, Ingunn, Elfer, Gusabandall, Gultratren, Arnstur, Todifrauan, Evati, and other low sec systems there about.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:12:00 -
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Yes they have, for a long time now too. You've never noticed entire fleets of ravens being piloted by ajsdhjkash in Motsu?
If you wanna make some cash though, destroy the ships and sell the same ship in that system for an outrageous amount. Cargo 2's can also be sold for like 10 mil a unit I believe (I'm talking about the ones you get off the destroyed wreck.) |
Smacktalking Alt
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:14:00 -
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$post =~ s/micro/macro/g |
Kulmid
Asshats and Alcoholics Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Yes they have, for a long time now too. You've never noticed entire fleets of ravens being piloted by ajsdhjkash in Motsu?
If you wanna make some cash though, destroy the ships and sell the same ship in that system for an outrageous amount. Cargo 2's can also be sold for like 10 mil a unit I believe (I'm talking about the ones you get off the destroyed wreck.)
This.
In Ingunn a large amount of t1 industrials sell for insane amounts. But to the OP, whenever you try to pass the time killing some of them, some other pirates just come kill your sniper ships and you end up dieing for no reason.
I think I've killed over 1000 of these haulers in Evati and Brin.
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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Yes they have, for a long time now too. You've never noticed entire fleets of ravens being piloted by ajsdhjkash in Motsu?
If you wanna make some cash though, destroy the ships and sell the same ship in that system for an outrageous amount. Cargo 2's can also be sold for like 10 mil a unit I believe (I'm talking about the ones you get off the destroyed wreck.)
IĘve seen the fleets of ravens before and at least they have some value in shooting, this industrial ship swarm thing is new to me or at least IĘve never noticed it before being as bad as it is in those systems, every the gates are about as active as the ones in Rens and Pator with the number of industrials and shuttles scooting about. And they donĘt usually have anything of any interests in them soil, garbage, oxygen and other junk you would get if you were running courier missions. Might try your tick to make some money off them but if they are Isk farms I think this needs to be nipped in the butt. |
Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:37:00 -
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They were doing this out of Loes over 2 years ago.
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Astigmatic
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Issaries Valran I think this needs to be nipped in the butt.
I agree. But really, it's nipped in the bud. Etymology where plant growth is stifled by nipping it in the bud.
Nipped in the butt works, in special bars or private parties.
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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Astigmatic
Originally by: Issaries Valran I think this needs to be nipped in the butt.
I agree. But really, it's nipped in the bud. Etymology where plant growth is stifled by nipping it in the bud.
Nipped in the butt works, in special bars or private parties.
Nipped in the bud doesn't sound same as nipped in the butt, I'll stick to the private parties.
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Serial Chi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:49:00 -
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i remember two years ago when i first started playing eve, i wanted to see what low sec was like. i took a shuttle down and started exploring. every system i went to down there, just consisted of haulers everywhere.
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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito They were doing this out of Loes over 2 years ago.
Well it looks like they moved to new grounds. I'm still amazed the low sec minmatar pirates that always complain about the lack of targets haven't cleaned this problem, I guess these targets aren't good enough for them. They want the fat CNR's with Faction loot, not these small fries. That's a shame though the pirates could be doing Eve some good and messing up this Isk farming market.
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Astigmatic
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Astigmatic on 05/05/2009 21:56:16
Originally by: Issaries Valran I'm still amazed the low sec minmatar pirates that always complain about the lack of targets haven't cleaned this problem, I guess these targets aren't good enough for them.
You'd be amazed at how selective use of a fat wallet can deter piracy. Just sayin'.
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Koala Bare
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Issaries Valran I'm still amazed the low sec minmatar pirates that always complain about the lack of targets haven't cleaned this problem, I guess these targets aren't good enough for them. They want the fat CNR's with Faction loot, not these small fries. That's a shame though the pirates could be doing Eve some good and messing up this Isk farming market.
It's a win win for those ebil pirates, their alts can macro without being harassed and they get to loot people who try to go after the macros. Watching response times and online times is very interesting.
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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Astigmatic Edited by: Astigmatic on 05/05/2009 21:56:16
Originally by: Issaries Valran I'm still amazed the low sec minmatar pirates that always complain about the lack of targets haven't cleaned this problem, I guess these targets aren't good enough for them.
You'd be amazed at how selective use of a fat wallet can deter piracy. Just sayin'.
Typical, the micro missioners bribe the pirates not to shoot them and then the pirates complain about lack of targets, well if they didnĘt expect bribes from soft targets like this then they could do what they do best and shoot defenseless pray. Never met a pirate that really wanted a fight what they really want is people to show up and stay still as they out number and shoot someone that canĘt or has no chance of fighting back. And here are loads of them and no pirates anywhere, silly pirates.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:36:00 -
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this has been going on for a while , didnt you notice the hundred of navy raven with funny names and nightmares flying all over the place =P
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Koala Bare
Originally by: Issaries Valran I'm still amazed the low sec minmatar pirates that always complain about the lack of targets haven't cleaned this problem, I guess these targets aren't good enough for them. They want the fat CNR's with Faction loot, not these small fries. That's a shame though the pirates could be doing Eve some good and messing up this Isk farming market.
It's a win win for those ebil pirates, their alts can macro without being harassed and they get to loot people who try to go after the macros. Watching response times and online times is very interesting.
IsnĘt using third party programs like micro programs against the terms, and will get you banned?
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Issaries Valran
Originally by: Koala Bare
Originally by: Issaries Valran I'm still amazed the low sec minmatar pirates that always complain about the lack of targets haven't cleaned this problem, I guess these targets aren't good enough for them. They want the fat CNR's with Faction loot, not these small fries. That's a shame though the pirates could be doing Eve some good and messing up this Isk farming market.
It's a win win for those ebil pirates, their alts can macro without being harassed and they get to loot people who try to go after the macros. Watching response times and online times is very interesting.
IsnĘt using third party programs like micro programs against the terms, and will get you banned?
yes very
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.05.06 15:32:00 -
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Many of them moved already in roughly 2004. One grinding person can earn a faction BS once per 3 days or so. Add the bounties etc, it makes probably more than 1B/account on a good day. You just need five or so, and coordinate the action properly.
And oh, most of them are not macros. They are sweatshop operations.
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wowtard
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:01:00 -
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Sounds like a solution could be to make the cargo from hauling missions actually be somewhat valuable. It's really telling about the lack of balance in risk/reward for hauling missions if this situation persists.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:04:00 -
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Macro ratters actually. The best bots will already be in warp to a POS or SS and logging off before you finish loading the system and grid. Secretly MirrorGod. Apparently
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hariya Many of them moved already in roughly 2004. One grinding person can earn a faction BS once per 3 days or so. Add the bounties etc, it makes probably more than 1B/account on a good day. You just need five or so, and coordinate the action properly.
And oh, most of them are not macros. They are sweatshop operations.
This is a slightly different problem, I've seen micro miners and ratter, and whatnot but this is all industrial ships and some shuttles. And they don't do anything else than warp around from the agent's station to where ever they are suppose to be going and back. You can tell there micro mission running since you will see a set of 10 with names starting with "A", and some random sylibols. And a different group with "B" names and so on. I figure there sharing the missions and getting a nice bonus that way. Don't know how much they can make but it must be profitable, cause shooting them doesn't really get much of reaction at least not from what I can tell.
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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: wowtard Sounds like a solution could be to make the cargo from hauling missions actually be somewhat valuable. It's really telling about the lack of balance in risk/reward for hauling missions if this situation persists.
Sounds like a good idea to me, should make the cargo form hauling missions worth a from 10-25 million and then I bet someone would shoot them, but what if they made the missions worth that much why would anyone finish them. I'd just sit in the station get missions and fail them after i sell the loot tell i couldn't anymore probably make a few 100 million before the agent would stop giving out missions. They would have to put a collateral on there i suppose.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.05.06 17:03:00 -
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You'd be suprised how many pirates go down there and spend a short amount of time playing with those macro haulers. Thing is, it's not fun.
I mean really. They're industrials, no weapons, they don't mwd, cloak, ecm or any of the other normal things prey do. They just autopilot.. wheres the fun in that. after a day or two, you get bored.
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Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cors You'd be suprised how many pirates go down there and spend a short amount of time playing with those macro haulers. Thing is, it's not fun.
I mean really. They're industrials, no weapons, they don't mwd, cloak, ecm or any of the other normal things prey do. They just autopilot.. wheres the fun in that. after a day or two, you get bored.
Can't be as boring as waiting at a gate for that one guy that jumps in, for hours on end with nothing to amuse you but local chat. At least with these guys you could salavage the wreaks and if you were real crafty, sell them new industrails and cargo extender II for silly overpriced amounts.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.06 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Issaries Valran
Originally by: Cors You'd be suprised how many pirates go down there and spend a short amount of time playing with those macro haulers. Thing is, it's not fun.
I mean really. They're industrials, no weapons, they don't mwd, cloak, ecm or any of the other normal things prey do. They just autopilot.. wheres the fun in that. after a day or two, you get bored.
Can't be as boring as waiting at a gate for that one guy that jumps in, for hours on end with nothing to amuse you but local chat. At least with these guys you could salavage the wreaks and if you were real crafty, sell them new industrails and cargo extender II for silly overpriced amounts.
I don't think your getting it. Macro haulers are always worth crap as the cargo is crap the mods are crap and the salvage is crap whilst normal haulers have the chance for awesome loot drops. So would you sit at a gate for hours killing haulers that you know are crap or would you rather at least have a chance at a profit?
Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 18:38:00 -
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1, it's macro not micro 2, they're not macros, they're probably people getting paid pennies to run a dozen chars as a day job 3, stop buying isk to get rid of them --
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.05.18 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Issaries Valran
Originally by: Ashina Sito They were doing this out of Loes over 2 years ago.
Well it looks like they moved to new grounds. I'm still amazed the low sec minmatar pirates that always complain about the lack of targets haven't cleaned this problem, I guess these targets aren't good enough for them. They want the fat CNR's with Faction loot, not these small fries. That's a shame though the pirates could be doing Eve some good and messing up this Isk farming market.
Hey now...there are some of us trying The indigenous pira....I mean ebil blob-rats love to try to break up a good station camping session but good thing every ship comes with a handy directional scanner.
If any of you are unaware of the extent of this problem, hop into a shuttle or something quick and have a run over to Ingunn some day, specifically the Planet V moon 19 republic justice department station.
The farmers are usually pretty good about monopolizing the local markets, and any kind of price-fixing or manipulation on bestowers or expanded cargoholds hasn't been too successful in my limited attempts.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.05.18 13:33:00 -
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Is a micro mission a really small mission? Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Dmitryilyin
Gallente Risky eXplosion Death or Glory
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:39:00 -
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I have always wondered why do macro-users use names like "jgsakfgsamdsfb"? Why could not they use "normal" names to be less obvious?
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.05.19 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon Is a micro mission a really small mission?
hmm...never really considered that
Originally by: Dmitryilyin I have always wondered why do macro-users use names like "jgsakfgsamdsfb"? Why could not they use "normal" names to be less obvious?
They probably have automated account generation things for their isk spammer accounts. The farmers have somewhat less inconspicuous names, but they're still pretty obvious; usually just 2 common words. Although the other day I did see a farmer in Ingunn named MICHAEL SCOFILD and I thought that was actually pretty funny (if anyone watches prison break )
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Machanara
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.19 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Faife 1, it's macro not micro 2, they're not macros, they're probably people getting paid pennies to run a dozen chars as a day job 3, stop buying isk to get rid of them
Quoted for FU*KING truth!!!!
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