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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.05.10 23:34:00 -
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so which one would be faster at grinding most of lvl 4 missions?
A) the classic CNR, active tanked (solo) B) 2x Drakes (enthusiast fit) uber-passive-tanked (dual account)
i know i know, the ideal would be 2x CNR. But as I will need to alt+tab constantly, i'd rather have a passive ship lol.
do u think 2x drakes can do as much DPS as 1x cnr?? lets say I will use Fury heavy missiles on drakes vs standard cruise missiles on CNR.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar Covert-Nexus
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Posted - 2009.05.11 00:59:00 -
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if ya want to passive tanks to alt tab with try 2 rattlesnakes
but 2 drakes would be fine may be even a little better than 1 active cnr cause if ya split aggro correctly ya can have one take all the damps/jams
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.11 01:01:00 -
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I'm not sure why you're looking at uber-passive tanked Drake to run L4's - what's causing you to alt-tab?. You can do a LOT more damage with an active Drake, and it has enough shielding to run any L4 mission by itself. 2 active Drakes would run missions faster than a single CNR. 2 uber-passive Drakes would not.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.05.11 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium i know i know, the ideal would be 2x CNR. But as I will need to alt+tab constantly, i'd rather have a passive ship lol.
so use 2 permatanked cnrs
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Tera Nivean
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.11 02:56:00 -
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I run missions with 3 accounts (2 damageBS / 1 salvager) and i find that in 90% or the missions i never bother repping/boosting until after the mission finishes. It is just have too much DPS.
Running 3 accounts is easy as long as its PvE, you should have no trouble with 2.
Alt+Tab, F#, Drone Hotkeys, Lock Target(s), etc...
Go CNR + Salvagecane
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.05.11 07:39:00 -
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If you dont alt-tab then solo CNR, as your second drake would be just sitting on it's thumb. Missile launchers still need activation and if you are using FoF's ... well let's just say they were already not wery reasonable for majority of missions before QR but in QR they got the nerfbat swing at their balls (additional lowering of base damage plus new damage formula) and are now utterly useless for missionrunning.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.05.11 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dracthera I'm not sure why you're looking at uber-passive tanked Drake to run L4's - what's causing you to alt-tab?. You can do a LOT more damage with an active Drake, and it has enough shielding to run any L4 mission by itself. 2 active Drakes would run missions faster than a single CNR. 2 uber-passive Drakes would not.
Not sure, I always read that Drake is better as passive tanked. I remember doing it great in lvl3 with lots of resistances and just 1x Invul
another question: is it exhausting/annoying to alt+tab all the time while in missions? hehe im used to do it when mining, but the frequency is a lot faster in missions I guess
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.11 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium
Originally by: Dracthera I'm not sure why you're looking at uber-passive tanked Drake to run L4's - what's causing you to alt-tab?. You can do a LOT more damage with an active Drake, and it has enough shielding to run any L4 mission by itself. 2 active Drakes would run missions faster than a single CNR. 2 uber-passive Drakes would not.
Not sure, I always read that Drake is better as passive tanked. I remember doing it great in lvl3 with lots of resistances and just 1x Invul
another question: is it exhausting/annoying to alt+tab all the time while in missions? hehe im used to do it when mining, but the frequency is a lot faster in missions I guess
Yes, you can have better tank with a passive Drake but you cannot have as high DPS as you can with active fit. Btw, for missioning I use a Nighthawk with active fit (sometimes a Cerberus) and a salvager alt. Works great.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.05.12 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium
Not sure, I always read that Drake is better as passive tanked. I remember doing it great in lvl3 with lots of resistances and just 1x Invul
another question: is it exhausting/annoying to alt+tab all the time while in missions? hehe im used to do it when mining, but the frequency is a lot faster in missions I guess
Depends how you do it. Worst case scenario is 'flip' every ~5 sec (fast RoF dualaccounting like Torpedos) altho more normal is around ~8 sec per tick (Cruise Golems). In my experience anything below ~6..7 sec will start costing you some performance. In case of missile platforms missile travel time complicates stuff even a bit more if you are keen on perfomance.
If you rather dislike alt-tabbing (it does work ok btw if you are in windowed mode) then perhaps something that needs attention (Like Raven) and alt in orbit around it in something that does not (Like FoF Drake or Drone Dominic or some other form of permatank) - Just add the alt to your watch list and you can easily keep eye on damage levels it's taking.
Dominic should work particulaly well in missions without reinforment waves with drones set to assist your main and FoF's do work in missions where there is no structures to soak em up. Well they are better than nothing I mean - targeted missiles are magnitudes more powerful nowdays. Heavy FoF's should be able to kill smaller stuff tho that gets near you.
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.12 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dracthera on 12/05/2009 15:00:39
Originally by: Ms Delerium
Not sure, I always read that Drake is better as passive tanked. I remember doing it great in lvl3 with lots of resistances and just 1x Invul
Sure, the Drake is a better tank in passive mode, but you don't want a tank for L4 missions, you want a glass cannon that can survive just long enough to finish a mission. You should start examining all forms of 'tanking' besides the obvious (shields/armor). An active Drake setup augments traditional shield tanking with signature radius tanking (active setup allow it to maintain it's native small sig radius, thus taking less damage than a passive setup) and DPS tanking (max DPS means less time spent taking incoming damage).
Originally by: Ms Delerium
another question: is it exhausting/annoying to alt+tab all the time while in missions? hehe im used to do it when mining, but the frequency is a lot faster in missions I guess
I don't alt-tab. I play in windowed mode, so it's easy enough to just click on the other window to bring up the other account. Having dual monitors would also help so you can put one window in each.
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:09:00 -
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Why not use a CNR + uber tank drake combo?
A single drake can tank the L4s fine if you have the skills, and deal with smaller ships while you mop up the BSs and BCs with the CNR.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.13 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dracthera You can do a LOT more damage with an active Drake, and it has enough shielding to run any L4 mission by itself.
What can you put in the mids besides a target painter that will make the Drake do more damage? 7 HMLs, shield extenders, 2 hardeners, target painter, afterburner, 4xBCS. What have I missed?
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Noemi Nagano
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Posted - 2009.05.13 12:01:00 -
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Most people put SPRs in the lows, so they dont have room for the BCS - thats why many passive Drakes suck in DPS. Its a good idea to skip most of those SPR, still, 4 BCS might be not enough tank for a l4 mission. If you can afford it the Drake can be a very strong active tank, you will need expensive Plex-Boosters though (2 Small or 1 Med). CCC-Rigs are needed then too.
I guess 2 well skilled Drakes will be better than 1 CNR, still, 1 CNR with a Drake is faster than 2 Drakes.
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