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BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:59:00 -
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Normally I'm not a proponent of torture but I think that in this one case it would be acceptable to use. So long as it was extremely painful and/or mentally devastating.
A short excerpt:
"Green herded the parents and younger sister of 14-year-old Abeer al-Janabi into another room of a house while two accomplices ****d her. He then gunned down her parents and her 6-year-old sister, before joining in the **** and killing the teenager."
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.11 18:08:00 -
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The crime occurred in Iraq. I say he should face their law.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.11 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich The crime occurred in Iraq. I say he should face their law.
This. I'd second that he should face tribal law. Blood vengeance is a good thing.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.11 18:16:00 -
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Just dig a hole and bury the lot. No need for fancy executions or torture, it's an all in one package (use quicklime if you really have to go exotic). -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Gonatou
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:01:00 -
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I say give them the inquisition treatment and their superior officers and their generals and their bush
its a good start
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mercyonman
Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gonatou I say give them the inquisition treatment and their superior officers and their generals and their bush
its a good start
there should be no reason to question our generals our bush or our superior officers
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: mercyonman
Originally by: Gonatou I say give them the inquisition treatment and their superior officers and their generals and their bush
its a good start
there should be no reason to question our generals our bush or our superior officers
On this matter.
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mercyonman
Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: mercyonman
Originally by: Gonatou I say give them the inquisition treatment and their superior officers and their generals and their bush
its a good start
there should be no reason to question our generals our bush or our superior officers
On this matter.
ok lemme rephrase that the only person that should be interrogated is him. cause he obviously has some issues
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:47:00 -
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Why? Torture would invalidate any confession he gave (cuz it's really good at producing false confessions).
What is wrong with people :/
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.11 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Why? Torture would invalidate any confession he gave (cuz it's really good at producing false confessions).
What is wrong with people :/
Torture isn't nearly as much about coercing a criminal, as it is about vengeance, and salving the conscious of those who feel that they should have done something to stop it (either in person, or through insisting on more stringent recruitment, etc).
It also works as a damn good tool to manage public opinion.
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Muent Dai
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Posted - 2009.05.12 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Why? Torture would invalidate any confession he gave (cuz it's really good at producing false confessions).
What is wrong with people :/
Does someone who doesn't act human deserve to be treated as one?
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Lui Kai
Logistics Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.05.12 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Muent Dai
Originally by: TraininVain Why? Torture would invalidate any confession he gave (cuz it's really good at producing false confessions).
What is wrong with people :/
Does someone who doesn't act human deserve to be treated as one?
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Gartil
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Posted - 2009.05.12 11:32:00 -
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Yes, after the court has convicted him, in my country I would consider that a good enough reason to make his life a living hell for as long as possible without actually killing the feck. And that would still be letting him off easy. No punishment in the world is enough to even remotely even things out. so I'll settle for the worst possible. And death is not the worst possible, nor is a lifetime in prison with a possible parool in 10 years.
Maybe it would some of those sicko's to not do stuff like this. One can hope.
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Noodly Appendage
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.05.12 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Why? Torture would invalidate any confession he gave (cuz it's really good at producing false confessions).
What is wrong with people :/
this tbh
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:38:00 -
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Wow... eve-o forum is a pretty blood thirsty crowd... maybe Jack Thompson was right.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:11:00 -
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Nah, by my own standards, this is just simple lex talionis. In other words, its a custom-turned-law-turned-custom.
Bloodlust moves on an entirely different level.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:21:00 -
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No one should be tortured ever under any circumstances. No matter how heinous the crime or whether they tortured others themselves. The most severe penalty should be a quick, painless execution.
Seriously, how can any of you advocate torture under any circumstances? I am huge on revenge and retribution, but torturing someone is just not right. If someone is so evil that they deserve to be tortured just shoot them and get it over with.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith No one should be tortured ever under any circumstances. No matter how heinous the crime or whether they tortured others themselves. The most severe penalty should be a quick, painless execution.
Seriously, how can any of you advocate torture under any circumstances? I am huge on revenge and retribution, but torturing someone is just not right. If someone is so evil that they deserve to be tortured just shoot them and get it over with.
Its simple. To satisfy your need for revenge, you must make your opponent _suffer_. A shot to the head is not suffering.
Breaking their spirits, seeing them suffer in body and in mind, tearing out their fingernails one by one, now, that satisfies the beast.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Originally by: Asuka Smith No one should be tortured ever under any circumstances. No matter how heinous the crime or whether they tortured others themselves. The most severe penalty should be a quick, painless execution.
Seriously, how can any of you advocate torture under any circumstances? I am huge on revenge and retribution, but torturing someone is just not right. If someone is so evil that they deserve to be tortured just shoot them and get it over with.
Its simple. To satisfy your need for revenge, you must make your opponent _suffer_. A shot to the head is not suffering.
Breaking their spirits, seeing them suffer in body and in mind, tearing out their fingernails one by one, now, that satisfies the beast.
She never said WHERE to shoot them Bullets do not always kill.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Originally by: Asuka Smith No one should be tortured ever under any circumstances. No matter how heinous the crime or whether they tortured others themselves. The most severe penalty should be a quick, painless execution.
Seriously, how can any of you advocate torture under any circumstances? I am huge on revenge and retribution, but torturing someone is just not right. If someone is so evil that they deserve to be tortured just shoot them and get it over with.
Its simple. To satisfy your need for revenge, you must make your opponent _suffer_. A shot to the head is not suffering.
Breaking their spirits, seeing them suffer in body and in mind, tearing out their fingernails one by one, now, that satisfies the beast.
It's not about revenge, it's about getting rid of garbage. You're not making a big ritual about flushing the toilet either, do you? -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:21:00 -
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Humans are useless anyways, just dispose of the faulty ones, they're easily reproduced. Except that I've never seen a non-faulty one... "Every man has his price."
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Originally by: Asuka Smith No one should be tortured ever under any circumstances. No matter how heinous the crime or whether they tortured others themselves. The most severe penalty should be a quick, painless execution.
Seriously, how can any of you advocate torture under any circumstances? I am huge on revenge and retribution, but torturing someone is just not right. If someone is so evil that they deserve to be tortured just shoot them and get it over with.
Its simple. To satisfy your need for revenge, you must make your opponent _suffer_. A shot to the head is not suffering.
Breaking their spirits, seeing them suffer in body and in mind, tearing out their fingernails one by one, now, that satisfies the beast.
It's not about revenge, it's about getting rid of garbage. You're not making a big ritual about flushing the toilet either, do you?
Between the two, I think torture is almost ALWAYS about revenge, while execution can most of the time be simply justice.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.05.13 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth Wow... eve-o forum is a pretty blood thirsty crowd... maybe Jack Thompson was right.
If Jack Thompson was right Eve-o forum would be cheering the guy in question on. No this is more mob justice we are talking about. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.05.13 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Originally by: Asuka Smith No one should be tortured ever under any circumstances. No matter how heinous the crime or whether they tortured others themselves. The most severe penalty should be a quick, painless execution.
Seriously, how can any of you advocate torture under any circumstances? I am huge on revenge and retribution, but torturing someone is just not right. If someone is so evil that they deserve to be tortured just shoot them and get it over with.
Its simple. To satisfy your need for revenge, you must make your opponent _suffer_. A shot to the head is not suffering.
Breaking their spirits, seeing them suffer in body and in mind, tearing out their fingernails one by one, now, that satisfies the beast.
Be wary of the beast lest you become it. We become no better than those who commit crimes if we do equally unspeakable things to them, in a way we become worse because then its state sanctioned. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Normally I'm not a proponent of torture but I think that in this one case it would be acceptable to use. So long as it was extremely painful and/or mentally devastating.
A short excerpt:
"Green herded the parents and younger sister of 14-year-old Abeer al-Janabi into another room of a house while two accomplices ****d her. He then gunned down her parents and her 6-year-old sister, before joining in the **** and killing the teenager."
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Christ I know that guy.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Placeholder Humans are useless anyways, just dispose of the faulty ones, they're easily reproduced. Except that I've never seen a non-faulty one... "Every man has his price."
I can assure you that I cannot be bought. You cannot buy someone who feels that money in any form from any country in the end is worthless.
all of your possessions, your home, your vehicle. It's all worthless... or rather, its value is defined by your opinion and the opinions of those around you. You set its price, its worth.
In my eyes the only thing that is important, or has value, is the advancement of man. Technology. Anything else is to improve the quality of life which is shown to allow for better innovation. (you don't see high tech coming from 3rd world countries)
So yeah TL;DR Not everyone can be bought. It depends on your morals, sense of value, and ethics. Or perhaps I'm not human after all.... |
Appolymi
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder Humans are useless anyways, just dispose of the faulty ones, they're easily reproduced. Except that I've never seen a non-faulty one... "Every man has his price."
all of your possessions, your home, your vehicle. It's all worthless... or rather, its value is defined by your opinion and the opinions of those around you. You set its price, its worth.
In my eyes the only thing that is important, or has value, is the advancement of man. Technology. Anything else is to improve the quality of life which is shown to allow for better innovation. (you don't see high tech coming from 3rd world countries)
Then would your price not be technology and advancement? Would you not sacrifice part of yourself or others to advance humanity for a greater good?
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:30:00 -
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The only real question is chair, gas, or hanging? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.05.15 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Frug The only real question is chair, gas, or hanging?
That's a stupid question.
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