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Ricardo Malfi
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.12 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tyr Cloudstone
The answer to this seems fairly simple. They are the only ones left to fight. I'd imagine the matari don't 'offend' the fractions beliefs enough to put them on the radar and the gallente and caldari are weak and have no real targets for SF to focus on, barring omerta of course but thats not likely to happen, a war that the fraction might not win. Meanwhile the empire presents a huge opportunity for them to excercise their beliefs and so they take it.
I would not so much say that the Amarrians are the only people to fight as they are the most important to fight; their idealogies are the most directly opposed to freedom and their claim on both space and the souls of their fellow men are the most vile of any of the major empires. A Matari friend of mine once defined demons as "servants of a malevolent god", and I believe this to be the definition that best fits the Amarrian faith. While not all Amarrians are malevolent in their intent, and certainly almost none wake up in the morning and step into a pod with the will to do evil, by virtue of the commonality of their oppressive faith, they become the enemy of all who love freedom. Is it not the duty of every soul who loves God, whichever god that may be, to battle against the demonic?
To write about how odd things affect affect odd people is an oddity too much. -C.S. Lewis |
Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.13 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Last time you brought this up The Cosmopolite directed you to the relevant threads. Don't be lazy.
Are you sure about this? I don't recall ever having contact with the Cosmopolite.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.13 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ricardo Malfi
I would not so much say that the Amarrians are the only people to fight as they are the most important to fight; their idealogies are the most directly opposed to freedom and their claim on both space and the souls of their fellow men are the most vile of any of the major empires. A Matari friend of mine once defined demons as "servants of a malevolent god", and I believe this to be the definition that best fits the Amarrian faith. While not all Amarrians are malevolent in their intent, and certainly almost none wake up in the morning and step into a pod with the will to do evil, by virtue of the commonality of their oppressive faith, they become the enemy of all who love freedom. Is it not the duty of every soul who loves God, whichever god that may be, to battle against the demonic?
Now this sounds like the argument of a Gallente loyalist. If you talk like a Gallente loyalist and fight the Empire like aGallente loyalist why not claim to be a Gallente loyalist?
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Ricardo Malfi
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.13 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Ricardo Malfi
I would not so much say that the Amarrians are the only people to fight as they are the most important to fight; their idealogies are the most directly opposed to freedom and their claim on both space and the souls of their fellow men are the most vile of any of the major empires. A Matari friend of mine once defined demons as "servants of a malevolent god", and I believe this to be the definition that best fits the Amarrian faith. While not all Amarrians are malevolent in their intent, and certainly almost none wake up in the morning and step into a pod with the will to do evil, by virtue of the commonality of their oppressive faith, they become the enemy of all who love freedom. Is it not the duty of every soul who loves God, whichever god that may be, to battle against the demonic?
Now this sounds like the argument of a Gallente loyalist. If you talk like a Gallente loyalist and fight the Empire like aGallente loyalist why not claim to be a Gallente loyalist?
Just because of my blood, do not assume that when I speak of freedom I mean the representative "freedom" the Gallente practice, for that too is tyrrany of a kind. The freedom I fight for, and the God who leads me on, are of the stars, and they do not bow to any man or any government.
To write about how odd things affect affect odd people is an oddity too much. -C.S. Lewis |
Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.13 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ricardo Malfi
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Ricardo Malfi
I would not so much say that the Amarrians are the only people to fight as they are the most important to fight; their idealogies are the most directly opposed to freedom and their claim on both space and the souls of their fellow men are the most vile of any of the major empires. A Matari friend of mine once defined demons as "servants of a malevolent god", and I believe this to be the definition that best fits the Amarrian faith. While not all Amarrians are malevolent in their intent, and certainly almost none wake up in the morning and step into a pod with the will to do evil, by virtue of the commonality of their oppressive faith, they become the enemy of all who love freedom. Is it not the duty of every soul who loves God, whichever god that may be, to battle against the demonic?
Now this sounds like the argument of a Gallente loyalist. If you talk like a Gallente loyalist and fight the Empire like aGallente loyalist why not claim to be a Gallente loyalist?
Just because of my blood, do not assume that when I speak of freedom I mean the representative "freedom" the Gallente practice, for that too is tyrrany of a kind. The freedom I fight for, and the God who leads me on, are of the stars, and they do not bow to any man or any government.
Our and all empires citizins are free to go whenever they choose and lead what ever life they choose. Your statement and purpose are pointless.
p.s. before you play the slave card, slaves = property its not the same.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ricardo Malfi A Matari friend of mine once defined demons as "servants of a malevolent god", and I believe this to be the definition that best fits the Amarrian faith.
Not exactly. Whatever they may say, the fact of the matter is that it was the Amarrians who created "God", and he is their servant. A very abstract servant, too, with no other useful purpose than to grant legitimacy to whichever political decisions the ones in charge need to effectuate, seeing as how he's conjured out of pure imagination.
Although, granted, that is at least a useful purpose, when compared to the utter lack of purpose displayed by the vast majority of other folkloric entities from the myriad of universally obsolete dirtling cultures around the cluster.
The universe would be a much better and tidier place if every religion, fairy tale, myth, legend and "tale of our ancestors" were simply erased from it.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.05.13 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 13/05/2009 07:59:09
Im speaking about yestrday when you and your minmatar allies run so fast away you would create new empire wide record and let the allied Negative Ten cap fleet to die.
From what i heard there was a FF i dont know if there where any losses from it but that was because of the lag on vent where was barely hear the orders.
And please dont try to to hide your incompetence with poiting one some battleships when your allies lost capital fleet with faction fittings.
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Niding
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 08:57:00 -
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I was part of the capital wing at the field yesterday.
After the hostile capitals had either fled or been forcably removed by clensing light I registered 3 non-capital ships being shot down by Providence Coalition forces, one belonging to Amarr Empire faction.
According to our KOS records all are marked as criminals and as such valid targets. Valid targets or not, as soon as the Amarr Empire battleship was being shot at, complete ceasefire was called for, red or not, due to the nature of the area we operated in.
I do belive it to be the only battleship killed by our forces, and not multiple as you imply Jade.
Siobhan has fully outlined CVA's ROE with regards to Amarr Militia;
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Tyr Cloudstone
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.13 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ricardo Malfi
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Ricardo Malfi
I would not so much say that the Amarrians are the only people to fight as they are the most important to fight; their idealogies are the most directly opposed to freedom and their claim on both space and the souls of their fellow men are the most vile of any of the major empires. A Matari friend of mine once defined demons as "servants of a malevolent god", and I believe this to be the definition that best fits the Amarrian faith. While not all Amarrians are malevolent in their intent, and certainly almost none wake up in the morning and step into a pod with the will to do evil, by virtue of the commonality of their oppressive faith, they become the enemy of all who love freedom. Is it not the duty of every soul who loves God, whichever god that may be, to battle against the demonic?
Now this sounds like the argument of a Gallente loyalist. If you talk like a Gallente loyalist and fight the Empire like aGallente loyalist why not claim to be a Gallente loyalist?
Just because of my blood, do not assume that when I speak of freedom I mean the representative "freedom" the Gallente practice, for that too is tyrrany of a kind. The freedom I fight for, and the God who leads me on, are of the stars, and they do not bow to any man or any government.
But i assume they would bow to 'the god that leads you'? I have to say that the idea of a fractionist fighting under the banner of 'a god'is most amusing. That aside my own views on the matter favor the star fractions far more now than they did in the past. i've seen first hand the weakness of the federation and the evil of the amarr and i offer goodwill to the fraction in their wars against all those loyal to a state
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:24:00 -
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Invelious, shouldn't you be fighting a war instead of writing on the Galnet?
You must spend a lot of time docked these days.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Neu Bastian Invelious, shouldn't you be fighting a war instead of writing on the Galnet?
You must spend a lot of time docked these days.
I'm a man that can multi task, I have a cozy job planetside that allows me to speak on the galnet, before I can leave the planet I head home to my loving wife(no shes not the bish ) and I help take care of my new born. Once those duties are complete then I go out and complete my errands in new eden. The war is but one of them, the rest are confidential activities on behalf of the Empire.
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Iece Quaan
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:08:00 -
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Why would you follow a god, when for all intents and purposes, you are one yourself?
-IQ
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Iece Quaan Why would you follow a god, when for all intents and purposes, you are one yourself?
-IQ
Because there is a difference between what we are compared to normal men, and omnipotence. We are not the latter. I choose to love that which has created this universe, and made all things possible.
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Tyr Cloudstone
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Iece Quaan Why would you follow a god, when for all intents and purposes, you are one yourself?
-IQ
It was your man Richardo Malfi who professed to being lead by a god
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Ricardo Malfi
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tyr Cloudstone
Originally by: Iece Quaan Why would you follow a god, when for all intents and purposes, you are one yourself?
-IQ
It was your man Richardo Malfi who professed to being lead by a god
I am not Quaan's man, and I do not follow a God - I believe in one, and I respect Him, much as I believe in freedom and the soul and many other things that cannot be observed with instruments or deduced with mathematics. Perhaps I will write a second sermon on the nature of the capsuleer, for that is not a matter for this thread; suffice to say that I believe our nature to be closer to the angelic than the truly divine.
To write about how odd things affect affect odd people is an oddity too much. -C.S. Lewis |
Foolish Bob
Caldari The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.05.14 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Nur AlHuda Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 12/05/2009 23:40:45 But one thing must be said they excel at running loosing only 1 capital ships when their allies loose 6 takes monkey reflexes. Wonder when Negative Ten will feel like to loose more capital ships for helping them.
I hope you aren't talking about incidents where the 24th crusade lose battleships against the CVA and hastily cover it up to prevent embarassment there Nur AlHuda? Because that would be a bit silly to bring to the IGS I think you'll agree.
JC - I hope you're not talking about an incident where we asked CVA to gank your sorry arses and you ran crying home to Kamela down 1 dread and thanking your lucky stars that you'd become so good at running from them over the years, and hastily trying to point out minor events after the fact in the hope that no-one would notice that you were completely
utterly
and totally
SPANKED.
Because that would be a bit silly to bring to the IGS I think you'll agree
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:29:00 -
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Foolish Bob continues to live up to his name.
We didn't 'bring it to IGS' and we quite openly admit the engagement was a defeat for us.
We openly admit it was a win for the CVA. I suppose it is a 'win' of sorts for the militia but I am inclined to view it as, if not quite pyrrhic, rather less than satisfactory for the militia in strategic terms.
We would point out it shows the militia are willing to become the creatures of the CVA and willing to accept that the CVA will destroy some of their number if they see fit. The militia that used to protest this now cravenly makes excuses for the CVA. My how times have changed.
We would point out that the militia is now clearly adopting the position that it cannot deflect the intervention of the Star Fraction in the conflict on its own merits. You have been forced to call in the CVA to lend capital support. Certain Amarr militia corporations also appear to have taken in Caldari sell-swords, some bringing capitals with them.
Understand, we don't complain about that for an instant. You are perfectly entitled to call in whatever allies you wish. That is a matter for you and unlike the Amarr militia, we are not going to constantly, boringly and pathetically complain and whine about the fact that our opponents have allies. You have them, you call on them when you need to. That's fine. That's what the Minmatar militia do. It is what we do. It is what others arrayed against you do.
However, this completely gives the lie to all the protestations and bluster that we have had zero effect on the conflict. Your tactical practices have changed and your strategic posture has changed. A militia that once prided itself on its independence and ability to stand against the Minmatar on its own merits is now forced to call in favours and, inevitably, compromise on its principles in order to secure them.
Quite frankly, seeing that so starkly shown to be the case is well worth the loss of a dreadnought in open battle so far as we are concerned. I obviously don't speak for the allied forces that took heavier losses but I am very confident that their fighting potential has not been significantly damaged. I know our capabilities haven't been significantly damaged.
So, in summary, yes, an engagement that was a material defeat and a defeat in terms of its immediate objectives. No evasion of that. But defeats can be useful beyond the immediate repercussions and this one, I am afraid to tell the Amarr militia, is going to be a defeat more useful to us than to them.
When you comprehend this you will realise that you are not going to easily deflect the forces combining to stop you, reverse you and overcome you.
The Cosmopolite
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Midnighter
The Causality
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char Who's "the bish"?
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Invelious on 14/05/2009 15:50:12 Cosmo, this is a war of the militia's, so naturally if a outside pressence comes in to assist, then natural we have to counter balance this, take your spin about us and our principles and calling in CVA and shove it.
The Amarr Militia has been outnumbered since day one, and we still prevail, so from time to time we even up the numbers and you come on here bishing about us loosing our principles because reality has kicked in and you realise you cant do anything to us?
Here is the fact cosmo, we Amarr, are all unitied, differences may be there for whatever reasons, but all in all, we are one, be it in or out of the militia. You failed to realise that, so you can add that to the mass failings list your group has accumulated over the past years.
You are clearly the product of what happens when a pig gets a colon cleansing.
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Midnighter
The Causality
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
The Amarr Militia has been outnumbered since day one, and we still prevail, so from time to time we even up the numbers and you come on here bishing about us loosing our principles because reality has kicked in and you realise you cant do anything to us?
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Tyr Cloudstone
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 14/05/2009 15:50:12 Cosmo, this is a war of the militia's, so naturally if a outside pressence comes in to assist, then natural we have to counter balance this, take your spin about us and our principles and calling in CVA and shove it.
The Amarr Militia has been outnumbered since day one, and we still prevail, so from time to time we even up the numbers and you come on here bishing about us loosing our principles because reality has kicked in and you realise you cant do anything to us?
Here is the fact cosmo, we Amarr, are all unitied, differences may be there for whatever reasons, but all in all, we are one, be it in or out of the militia. You failed to realise that, so you can add that to the mass failings list your group has accumulated over the past years.
You are clearly the product of what happens when a pig gets a colon cleansing.
You may not have lost your 'principles' as you call them but the amarr have certainly lost their finesse. You are sitting there name calling and ego stroking yourself while at the same time moaning 'we are out numbered.... boo hoo' The Amarr of old would never have complained about such odds they would have seen it as a challenge from god and risen to it with honor, which of all the despicable traits your empire's pilots had they did not lack honor in combat. Are the militia really out numbered by star fraction? they must be bigger than i remember.
Another thing i find amusing, maybe more so than a fractionist and his religion, which still tickles me. Is an Amarr saying ' we are Amarr we are united' I take great pleasure in learning that of all the years you have oppressed the matari people it is they who have won through and changed YOU, perhaps that in itself should point you to see the error of your ways and give up your empire and make reparations to the poeple who made you 'the men and women' you are today.
Tyr
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:17:00 -
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Aye, Midnighter, and as is usually the case when the Amarr find themselves discomfited, the rationality-to-rage ratio is at a very low level.
The reason for all the rage and the reason the Amarr militia is now forced to suck at the poison teat of the CVA milchcow, as the ranting loon above essentially admits, is that the forces that oppose the Amarr are unified, despite the best efforts of some to sow discord among their ranks. The Amarr war machine has been stymied and the prospects for pushing it back now look good. They don't like this new reality and it is the reason for all the ranting and raving, and it is the reason that all those Amarr militia who complained about the CVA's policy of attacking Amarr militia they don't like are now silent or making excuses for the CVA. They need them now. They didn't before. Anyone who pretends this change is purely a function of the 'unity' of the Amarr is deluded. It's actually a function of the unity of the enemies of the Amarr.
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