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Veebora
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.14 03:55:00 -
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1.2 = no love for FW again.
FW seems to be like a kind of moribund and forgotten ugly child.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 03:59:00 -
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This is good for me because it means I can continue to criticize FW despite having never participated in it.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:35:00 -
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Wait for the winter expansion, durring the summer they do alot of rebalances and fixes, and looks like a repeat this year. Winter expansion is supposed to have alot of stuff that didnt make it in the last three expanions.
At last time I read this from a dev this should include, warfare changes that where promised in emperyan age More factional warfare bigger industrial improvements that where supposed to be in quantum rise more content from the foundations laid down in apothryca.
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Wait for the winter expansion, durring the summer they do alot of rebalances and fixes, and looks like a repeat this year. Winter expansion is supposed to have alot of stuff that didnt make it in the last three expanions.
At last time I read this from a dev this should include, warfare changes that where promised in emperyan age More factional warfare bigger industrial improvements that where supposed to be in quantum rise more content from the foundations laid down in apothryca.
o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/
Um, hi, yes, just one question.
What year are we talking about again? ------------------------------- "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:57:00 -
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You've already had your expansion, now shut up and be forgotten like the rest of us!
What does FW need exactly? It's done exactly what it set out to do, bring people into low-sec space to PVP. That's all it was.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:00:00 -
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FW came, failed and died.
Its over - just... let it go.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:13:00 -
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It's not forgotten, it's abandoned.
CCP have basically stated that FW is working well enough for their purposes. Any "fixes" on the drawing board are "maybe someday" pie-in-the-sky stuff.
Those grand promises -- dating back many years -- of faction warfare that would affect the shape of empires? Off the table. Not coming back. They built the tools, but then they balked coming out of the starting gate, and didn't have the nerve to plug the tools into their broader game.
By now, it's looking like just another perpetual pre-nerf. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Miranda Reactor
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:36:00 -
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FW is not forgotten, nor abandonded.
It is exactly what they said it would be.
Never Ending Free Perpetural War Dec.
It is what it is, and what it is is what it is.
btw its alot of fun :)
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Elapidae
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:41:00 -
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I have ~5000 free WTs. I don't care about plexes, or what empire name is in the top left corner of the screen. FW is just fine.
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Adeline Grey
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Posted - 2009.05.14 22:14:00 -
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What is FW? I have forgotten.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.05.14 22:42:00 -
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It's not CCP's fault that FW is being abandoned, it's the other FWers. During my corp's brief stint in FW we were exposed to tactical cretinism of such intensity, that it's a marvel the pilots in question managed to undock without a hockey helmet.
Cowardly blobs outnumbering the enemy two to one, refusing to engage because the system is low-sec, choosing instead to sit on a neighbouring high-sec gate while the enemy fleet disengages and goes to find something willing to kill. Individuals that fit their ships by coating them in glue and rolling them around in a bin of random modules. Guys that fly Herons.
CCP can't patch stupid.
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gfldex
Kabelkopp
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Posted - 2009.05.14 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu CCP can't patch stupid.
You have to admit they try harder then anybody in the business.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:05:00 -
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2009 winter expansion supposed to be on war mostly, but it shoudl include the forgotten stuff
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Ryhss
Caldari P'n'L Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:14:00 -
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What is factional warfare?
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Edd Duck
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Posted - 2009.05.15 01:13:00 -
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Factional what?
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.15 01:22:00 -
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It is not forgotten it has been won, by the Caldari and Amarr
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.15 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Guys that fly Herons.
I like Herons, but this still made me chuckle.
I'll admit I can't think of a good excuse to fly one in factional warfare.
I don't honestly believe "tactical cretinism" is what killed factional warfare, although there certainly was plenty of that on display when I was there. (I learned a lot in FW, which tells you what a low base I was starting from.) No, it was originally envisioned -- and long promised -- as something that would be able to have an effect on the political geography of the game.
That never happened, removing one big motivation for participation; and there weren't any ISK rewards of note built into it, removing another. All that was left is empty combat, and that not (as Istvaan points out) of the highest quality.
CCP now claims that empty combat ("the reward is the pvp") was all they ever intended. But, as a historical matter, that's simply not true. In fact, it's a sharply diminished vision of factional warfare, and a disappointing one. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.05.15 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss What is factional warfare?
Precisely what I was thinking.
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Veebora
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.15 03:40:00 -
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They could at least fix some bugs as the Neutrals remote repping militia members without becoming flashy.
Now we are all aware that the first CCPs promises were just lies, no problem.
But at least bugs they could fix.
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