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Valandril
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:32:00 -
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Well highsec is due to get nerfed from quite some time, there is too much reward for close to no risk.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 14/05/2009 15:46:24
Originally by: Syreniac Level 4's in Lowsec is not the solution, because one (or both) of two things would happen:
- People would just run level 3's, and then in a few months people would be saying that those need to be moved to low sec
- The mission running crowd would just not bother and would move to another game
If they wanna leave to other game, feel free to. To be honest i doubt that there is single player in eve whos only activity in eve is running lvl4 missions (beside isk farmers which must go). And problem with lvl4 in highsec is that you actualy earn MORE isk/h running lvl4s in highsec than by ratting in 0.0 (including overrated faction spawns), and you do it without any risk whatsoever. So if they will farm lvl3 instead thats fine, because there will be more reward lurking in lowsec/0.0 for those who wanna earn real money. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Syreniac Step 1: Watch this forum for a week Step 2: Count the number of threads saying how 'scams need to be fixed' and 'salvage ninjaing is bad!!!111one!' Step 3: Profit!!!!!
You are speaking to soemone who has been trolling this forums for years, i know how many carebears are here. I also happend to know that they do a lot more than just run lvl4s all day long.
Originally by: Syreniac You have to remember that eve is a sandbox, and your idea of the perfect sandbox is completely different to a person who runs missions. But it is true that Level 4 missions generate too much in the way of ISK, and either everything needs to be bought in to line with them, or they need to be brought into line with everything else.
Part of the major problem with L4's (and missions in general) is that there is no competition. If you make it so each agent can only have, say, 5 missions active with players at any time, then the overall level of profitability of high sec would go down as people are then in competition with each other for the best agents. Also make it so an individual can only get a certain number of missions a day from each agent. That would fix the problem without eliminating anyone's style of play, as there are enough agents if you include those in lowsec as well as in high, so people would want to go to lowsec for the opportunity for money making activities.
So my idea is breaking sandbox because lvl4 missions would require you to go low and ship for bigger profit (a lot more compared to lvl3), but idea to actualy LIMIT theyr gameplay by amount of missions they can run is not violating it ? Choo chooo, here comes cluetrain with wagon of logic!
Lvl5 missions are broken because they are NOT worth it, you cannot really solo them and for couple people reward is not nearly high enought (also there is getting-ganked risk factor). Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Syreniac
Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Syreniac Step 1: Watch this forum for a week Step 2: Count the number of threads saying how 'scams need to be fixed' and 'salvage ninjaing is bad!!!111one!' Step 3: Profit!!!!!
You are speaking to soemone who has been trolling this forums for years, i know how many carebears are here. I also happend to know that they do a lot more than just run lvl4s all day long.
Originally by: Syreniac You have to remember that eve is a sandbox, and your idea of the perfect sandbox is completely different to a person who runs missions. But it is true that Level 4 missions generate too much in the way of ISK, and either everything needs to be bought in to line with them, or they need to be brought into line with everything else.
Part of the major problem with L4's (and missions in general) is that there is no competition. If you make it so each agent can only have, say, 5 missions active with players at any time, then the overall level of profitability of high sec would go down as people are then in competition with each other for the best agents. Also make it so an individual can only get a certain number of missions a day from each agent. That would fix the problem without eliminating anyone's style of play, as there are enough agents if you include those in lowsec as well as in high, so people would want to go to lowsec for the opportunity for money making activities.
So my idea is breaking sandbox because lvl4 missions would require you to go low and ship for bigger profit (a lot more compared to lvl3), but idea to actualy LIMIT theyr gameplay by amount of missions they can run is not violating it ? Choo chooo, here comes cluetrain with wagon of logic!
Lvl5 missions are broken because they are NOT worth it, you cannot really solo them and for couple people reward is not nearly high enought (also there is getting-ganked risk factor).
I didn't see an idea in your posts... (probably my fault TBH) Sorry!
Now, what my idea would do is make people spread out. There are lots of level 4 agents (give me a minute to count them all) and they would easily be able to accommodate them all.
Just to clarify, you did read that the limit is one how many missions they can do FOR ONE AGENT? That's just to stop people camping a single agent preventing anyone else using them
I did but this is ******ed idea that didn't pass by my logic filter, all it cause is making lvl4 running even more boring routine: 1. Run lvl4 for one agent 2. Move to another Rinse and repear, great change and making lvl4s interesting gameplay. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cade Morrigan
Originally by: Valandril [i want more targets to gank!]
Fixed that for you.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cade Morrigan
Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Cade Morrigan
Originally by: Valandril [i want more targets to gank!]
Fixed that for you.
Especialy that i pvp in empire.
oops should have been for the OP.
anyway, making L4s even more boring is a terrible idea. making it more tedious to find an agent with missions for you is a terrible idea. trying to force those not interested in pvp down into lowsec is a terrible idea.
You don't force them, but they can sit in empire and wormhole/run lvl3, but fact that most moneymaking thing in eve (game which is supposed to be working around risk:reward ratio) comes without any risk is just ridiculous Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 14/05/2009 20:03:13
Originally by: Tarron Sarek Many 0.0 players have their mission alt in high-sec to make some ISK for PvP. So you want to see even more market/trader alts instead? The really big ISK are made on the market anyway. Too lucrative? How do you want to stop that?
Trading also needs some ner***e, now everyone and theyr mother are trading because all it takes to make money is to be a nolife who can play 0.01isk games (sure, smart traders still make money by logging on for 15mintues/day, but less than nolifes). And market should not be decided by nolife (this is what for we got brokers) but place where you can take certain position on item. And the day it happends, you will see a lot less traders on market. For discussion about this topic i send you to MD, there are several ideas how to change it there.
Other thing is that trading empire->0.0 makes you more money than empire->empire. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 19/05/2009 16:54:55
Originally by: asdfasdf12345 wrong stuff
Lvl4 mission runner (with active ship like mega or raven, if you wanna afk-run them then suffer small payout) earns around 22-6m/h just from bounties. Then there is loot + slavage (which is pretty much another 20-30m/hour). Not worth risk ? I beg to differ, you can make very good money just off bounties. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowDraqon Edited by: ShadowDraqon on 19/05/2009 17:04:56
Originally by: Axium Cog It just doesn't really make sense to have a lvl 5 agent in a .8 system. It would also play a role to coax missioners into the world of PvP, preparing them for life in 0.0.
1) there are no lvl 5 agents in hi-sec.
Wanna bet on that ? I'll wager you 20b isk.
Originally by: ShadowDraqon 2) Why do you have to "prepare them for life in 0.0"? Is there some sort of time limit on how long you can stay in hi-sec? Is moving to 0.0 some sort of requirement to be able to play the game?
It's called evolution, 0.0 should be more rewarding for everyone (it is for miners, it is for traders, it should be for missioner).
Originally by: ShadowDraqon Stop trolling.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Elias West first : apologys for bad spelling
second : what is broken with lvl 4`s in highsec ? risk vs reward ? hell no. everytime i run lvl 4¦s in high i risk millions of braincells to be damaged cause of the ******ed boringness of missions.
also: the best lvl 4 agents ARE in lowsec. what realy earns the money in missions are not the bountys, but the loyalty points. in low you can get almost twice as much LP than in highsec per mission.
also: if lvl 4¦s in high would be nerfed some more, the loot drop for instant, i bet i would see a lot of people, complaining about lvl 4¦s in high now, come running to the forums again to complain how the ship prices for TI have risen. a huge portion of the lowend minerals needed for TI ship production are coming from highsec mission loot.
also: there are many people that will never come to low, but these people wouldnt be playing eve if not for the highsec stuff, so you couldnt force them into lowsec with nerfed lvl 4`s anyway. another big amount of ppl run lvl 4¦s with alts to afford shiny pew pew ships for their mains that do live in low.
also: there are plenty of targets in low... go and find them ! piracy is not the easy way to play eve. if you dont get enough targets you simply fail as a pirate/ pvpTr / ganker / w/e
If you don't enjoy flying missions, why do you fly them ? Sorry but there is no risk (especialy since lvl4 become easly soloable by char with lvl3 tanking/dps skills).
And currently lowsec lvl4 agents are not risk:reward worthy just for lp boost, and lp is not that good since recent tramendous inflation.
Whining/threatening to leave game should never affect decision making process because this is what you call terrorism. Facts are that lvl4 mission are BEST way to make money in game (aside from trading/scamming) and they come with no risk whatsoever so definitly they need to be changed. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Savasta I would rather CCP fixed low and null sec to make them profitable. Nerfing is never fun.
As i'm big fan of buff over nerf, "dumb" ways to iskmaking need serious nerf so unless you can **** other ppl all ways around, you will not be rich. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rip Minner Edited by: Rip Minner on 19/05/2009 18:14:25 Edited by: Rip Minner on 19/05/2009 18:12:58 There are level 1 though 5 mission givers in low sec already there not used very much and for one very good reason. It's not that pilots that run missions for isk would not be will to go there and run them if they fix one major flaw in runing missions were pvp can happen. A mission ship gets killed by a pvp ship with the pvp pilot facerolling his keyboard and the pilot in the mission ship going I never had a chance in this set up. Fix that then talk about moving them to low sec kk.
See its the same reason people dont mine low sec if you can get good pilots to guard in you low sec your going to take your gang to 0.0 to mine instead.
Edit: as I set here thinking about it even if you were to run missions with the same set up's that we use for pvp we still would not run them becouse you would still lose most times as they will wait till you have the npcs on you then jump in.
So you simply want risk/brain free iskprinting which you got now and will be sooner or later taken away from you. Face it, this is risk:reward game, no risk - no reward. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rip Minner Edited by: Rip Minner on 19/05/2009 18:39:57
Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Rip Minner Edited by: Rip Minner on 19/05/2009 18:14:25 Edited by: Rip Minner on 19/05/2009 18:12:58 There are level 1 though 5 mission givers in low sec already there not used very much and for one very good reason. It's not that pilots that run missions for isk would not be will to go there and run them if they fix one major flaw in runing missions were pvp can happen. A mission ship gets killed by a pvp ship with the pvp pilot facerolling his keyboard and the pilot in the mission ship going I never had a chance in this set up. Fix that then talk about moving them to low sec kk.
See its the same reason people dont mine low sec if you can get good pilots to guard in you low sec your going to take your gang to 0.0 to mine instead.
Edit: as I set here thinking about it even if you were to run missions with the same set up's that we use for pvp we still would not run them becouse you would still lose most times as they will wait till you have the npcs on you then jump in.
So you simply want risk/brain free iskprinting which you got now and will be sooner or later taken away from you. Face it, this is risk:reward game, no risk - no reward.
No but I have no problem saying I'm a carebear and cant pvp there are lot of players like me you will have a harder time runing level 4 missions then blowing us up. So long as there are things to do in high sec even if they make only 1/100 isk per houre then low sec or 0.0 we would still be in high sec doing them and you will still be in low sec going why is no one here.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 19/05/2009 19:16:18
Originally by: Rip Minner Were not stupid like you we know that a mission fited ship cant fight a pvp fited ship and thats with out haveing gangs of npc spawns on you already.
Also if you bring a gang that can cover you as you do this missions then you and your gang would still make more isk working in 0.0. Just like a mining gang that can operat in low sec can operat in 0.0 and 0.0 pays more. If anything moving level 4's to low sec mite get some more 0.0 gangs to come to low sec. But runing level 4's in high sec is mainly solo work and solo work dont work for low sec or 0.0.
But you don't need a gang to cover you to mission safetly in lowsec/0.0, scanner set to shortrange and you will know if hostiles will be coming early enought to simply warpout. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rip Minner To Valandril and anybody alse that cares. You can move all missions to low sec or 0.0 and thoughs people that dont wish to pvp still will not go there. Thoughs people that do wish to pvp are already there. And there are low sec level 4's and 5's all ready so go knock your low sec selfs out and run them.
You miss the point, to hell with lowsec population, point is that lv4 missions are more profitable than ANY other "dumb" (farming) money making activity in eve and comes without any risk and this is what needs serious nerfing. Fact that many of lvl4 missioners will move somewhere (imagine that, most lvl4 running toons do it for money, not because they enjoy running lvl4s) and they will have to put risk for a reward. Be it 0.0 rating or lowsec lvl4 running. And anyone who says that lvl4 in lowesec will not be worth risk:reward ratio are clueless idiots, go figure how long does it take (in matter of lvl4 running) to replace full t2 fited and rigged lvl4 ship. After insurance thats no more than 3-4 hours. And if you play it safe, you will NOT loose it (hint: kill scrambling npcs first, stay aligned and if you see someone on shortrange scanner - warpout). Hell you could even mission run with your whole corp in one system (imagine that, missioning corp that actualy makes sense other than chat) and then if one of you will get jumped, you can drop 20 more ravens on his arse. There are MANY possiblities, heck you could even settle one system and hire mercs to protect your arses (which will be small cost compared to what active lvl4 running corp would earn in lowsec lvl4 running). But damn, this woudl actualy involve teamwork, thinking and cooperation.
@up: there is no pvp in eve, only PK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_killer#Player_killing) and this is what i ****ing love about this game and what makes it different from yet-another-wow-clone because here pvp actualy matters.
And you claim that pirates don't wanna die, but who wants ? This is not hellokitty online, if one have to choose between dying or bringing his 30 friends to whoop your ass, its quite obvious what he will do (no matter is he pirate or carebear). If they got a gang, you cannot solo them (actualy often you can, but this is different topic), but you can bring your own gang and kill them in the end we are playing multiplayer game, not singleplayer. Nothing stops you from that (beside obvious lack of balls and/or friends). How do you think one becomes good at pvp ? From sitting in empire and whining that "this is not even pvp" or from sucking it up, grabbing couple friends and fighting back ?
Only real difference between pierats and antipies is that pierat will shoot anyone, while antipie got limited target range (ergo he gets less practice) and weight of balls but this is quite obvious.
When you come for first time to lowsec, you will die. You will most likely die many more times till you will eventualy learn basics of hunting and beeing hunted. But is harsh learning curve a news to you ? Eve always was played on "hardcore" difficulty because easy mode is boring. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.20 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Valandril If you don't enjoy flying missions, why do you fly them ?
There's another source of income for combat pilots?
If you do it right, there is some isk in pvp, but not usually enough to cover all your losses. I fly a couple missions a week to support my pvp. If I never had to fly another mission again in my life, I'd be happy. CCP has clearly stated that pvp is not supposed to be proffitable. Welcome to EVE.
So tell me, what exactly should I be doing in order to earn isk to buy ships? Real money transfer?
Trading for example, quite passive isk income that is big enought to cover pvp (even when you don't have much to start with). And thats not most time/efficent way to make money, but definitly better than farming it but you must be smart about it.
Also you got that quote out of context, as it was directed to player who is ONLY mission running so apparently he is enjoying it. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Garramon Edited by: Garramon on 20/05/2009 18:18:29
Originally by: Valandril Trading also needs some ner***e, now everyone and theyr mother are trading because all it takes to make money is to be a nolife who can play 0.01isk games (sure, smart traders still make money by logging on for 15mintues/day, but less than nolifes). And market should not be decided by nolife (this is what for we got brokers) but place where you can take certain position on item. And the day it happends, you will see a lot less traders on market. For discussion about this topic i send you to MD, there are several ideas how to change it there.
Other thing is that trading empire->0.0 makes you more money than empire->empire.
Non-NPC Item Trading does not need to be nerfed. Trading does not introduce anything into the system. Unlike missioning, belt ratting or mining.
In fact, market/contract trading is an ISK SINK due to fees.
Well as i wrote not nerfed per se, but we definitly need to get rid of 0.01 isk wars. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.22 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth EVE is now skewed against real competition in favour of long-established groups. How could a small corp ever hope to compete against an established group like the Goons on a level playing field? They can't, so they don't, and thus use the skewed playing field of EVE to their advantage. High-sec is safe, so it's a great place to avoid being blobbed by huge alliances. Wormhole space is even better in some ways.
Ever heard of Burning eden ? In practice those were 5 ppl who made every big alliance **** in its pants so please tell me more how small corp does not matter.
And no, in this case we cannot just boost lowsec/0.0 payouts because its already too easy to make money, eve will be a lot more enjoyable when only smart ppl will be ugly rich, not farmers (like it was before lvl4 missions begun to be so easy that t1 fitted battleship can run all of thme without breaking a sweat). Also you actualy CAN run lvl4 missions in pvp fited raven nowdays since they are so damn easy.
As for lowsec beeing grief zone, thats true. Ppl go there to grief, pillage and **** and i don't really see whats wrong with it. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 23/05/2009 07:51:20
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Firs two paragraphs
Pure bull****. Get a clue. It's quite obvious that stronger and bigger corp will wipe small corp out of existance, and this is law of nature. Get friends.
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth As for only smart people making money - that rules out most people, something the more stupid denizens of EVE might object to, and actually the smartest way to make money is to do it for the least effort (this would explain gatecamps). The obvious place to do that is Jita. The real money in high-sec has never been in missions.
Wrong again nolife lvl4 runner will bear 90% of traders. And eve was rolling on 'i'm smarter i win in eve' for very long, but for last 2 years ccp did nothing but dumb eve down with every patch so idiots can catch up.
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Low-sec missions in a PvP-fit raven? Don't make me laugh. Only a complete fool would take a raven out solo. It wouldn't survive the first competent gang it came across.
Just because you are an idiot and don't know how to do it, doesn't mean that this is not possible. I DID run lvl4 mission in pvp fited raven and i know that they are perfectly doable in said setup. Also 1:1 raven is viaable boat, but you must stick your head out of your ass in order to see it. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 23/05/2009 08:03:03
Originally by: Valandril Bunch of insults
Hi mom i can act smart
And i'm not going to waste my time responding to someone who got no clue. First you claim that small corps doesn't matter (lies) then that they are inferior to bigger corps in straightforward war (true and obvious, small can only win big one by playing it smart, not in open combats over poses). And obviously pvp fited raven cannot run lvl4, you know it because you've tried it so many times (never). Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 23/05/2009 08:31:10
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth You're busy contradicting yourself as well - you claim that small corps do matter, which they do, but that small corps will always lose to big corps, that that is the natural order of things (potentially true though Santiago above might beg to differ) - thus by your logic they would always be absorbed into larger groups, and thus don't matter.
And you tell me to train Reading Comprehension where you fail to read 4 lines long post to realize under which conditions small corps can beat big corps, and under which they will always get obliterated.
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth You continue to miss the point that empire is made of lots of small groups doing their own thing and doing it well, and they have no incentive or interest to join the larger groups, which means if you want to tempt them out, you must ensure they can operate effectively under the large groups' noses. That is the crux of the debate, but apparently one you're not interested in.
And you keep missing the point that they don't have to join large groups in order to keep running theyr precious lvl4 missions.
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth As for the raven issue, I'd point out that just because you can do it in certain circumstances doesn't magically make it work for everyone everywhere in EVE. Contrary to popular opinion, not all EVE pilots are equal - you may be particularly gifted in raven piloting, for example. Nowhere did I state it was impossible. What I stated was that the strawman argument that 'I can take a raven out and mission, so everyone else can too' is exactly that, a strawman argument. I may have been more sarcastic in my first response than is fair, but my point remains. We kill plenty of ravens out soloing, so don't tell me that that can't be done either. It's not some magic panacea that solves all of low-sec's problems and means everyone can come out of safe high-sec.
This marvelous raven talent i got is called thinking, i can sit down and figure out ship fitting on my own for given purpose (ie. alter mission setup to work in pvp and still be capable of running missions in resonable time). And game should not be designed for idiots but for smart players as it has always been so you profit from beeing smart and suffer from beeing an ******. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 23/05/2009 08:59:08
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth No the bit where they get obliterated is the problem area. How many times do I have state I'm talking about industry?
Then you are in wrong topic because here we are talking about lvl4 missions. Sure that moving them low will make prices go up, but hey, isn't that also a fix for whining miners that it's not profitable to mine ? Less minerals from mission lewt > higher mineral prices > happy miners. Simple as that.
And running lvl3 even in officer fited command ship gives you not even close money to what lvl4 pays out, so they will have to choose between safe moneymaking, or earning more (risk:reward ratio). This is again, not about populating lowsec directly, but forcing carebear to apply into same risk:reward ratio like everyone else do. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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