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Complaint Dept
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:05:00 -
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I see now that there is no one standing up for the miners and industrialist. Are any of the CSMs truly miners/industrialist? Or is CCP truly just want everyone to PVP? We have several avenues we can take in this game. Combat, pirate, traders, miners, industrialist, etc. However it seems now there is a push for everyone to become PVPers whether or not you want to be one.
I enjoy the peace of mining and making things to put on the market. That in itself is fun for me. And I'm sure there are many like me in the EVE universe that wish not to PVP but play the market and build an industrial empire to provide for others. It is a challenge and different than what I do in RL. Mining and building stuff is something that doesn't require my full attention at all times like pvp requires.
That is the best part of the game. The complexity and different avenues you can take. However once again CCP seems to want everyone to be PVPers.
Examples: Exhumers are like paper kites and burn up in the matter of seconds by small ships with BB guns. You think ORE in their wisdom and experience in building ships would have made exhumers stronger knowing that space is a dangerous place (Even in high sec).
High sec is the new low sec. Disposable ships that PVPers wouldn't use in Low sec are being used in HIgh sec to destroy high isk ships. Really? That makes NO sense!! But of course they get "penalized for it". Yea RIGHT!! Sure let CONCORD destroy their ship, then how about a $25 mil fine for any ship destroyed and $50 mil fine for any pod destroyed. That sounds better then loose dogs running the streets. When crimes are committed in High sec. criminals should be penalized with a heavier hand.
And now after getting standings for good R&D agents you have to become a PVP pilot in a faction war (you want no part of ) to get decent number of data-cores for research. That makes NO sense!! Their PVPers, give them more ships, weapons and ammo so they can go back out there and do more PVP because that is what they want!!! Give them data-cores?? Makes NO sense!! How about leaving the data-core stuff alone. Don't fix what isn't broke!!!! I really don't understand CCPs position on this??
Charging fees for PI and now data-cores?? OK $10,000 fee is not real bad but PI fees are not worth it.
And how about fixing PI!! Hot spots of ore on planets are like weather patterns. It quickly disappears in a matter of a day. Should be a slower process like weeks...etc
How about addressing the miners and industrialist concerns for once!!! |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:46:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:I see now that there is no one standing up for the miners and industrialist. Are any of the CSMs truly miners/industrialist? Or is CCP truly just want everyone to PVP? We have several avenues we can take in this game. Combat, pirate, traders, miners, industrialist, etc. However it seems now there is a push for everyone to become PVPers whether or not you want to be one.
I enjoy the peace of mining and making things to put on the market. That in itself is fun for me. And I'm sure there are many like me in the EVE universe that wish not to PVP but play the market and build an industrial empire to provide for others. It is a challenge and different than what I do in RL. Mining and building stuff is something that doesn't require my full attention at all times like pvp requires.
That is the best part of the game. The complexity and different avenues you can take. However once again CCP seems to want everyone to be PVPers.
Examples: Exhumers are like paper kites and burn up in the matter of seconds by small ships with BB guns. You think ORE in their wisdom and experience in building ships would have made exhumers stronger knowing that space is a dangerous place (Even in high sec).
High sec is the new low sec. Disposable ships that PVPers wouldn't use in Low sec are being used in HIgh sec to destroy high isk ships. Really? That makes NO sense!! But of course they get "penalized for it". Yea RIGHT!! Sure let CONCORD destroy their ship, then how about a $25 mil fine for any ship destroyed and $50 mil fine for any pod destroyed. That sounds better then loose dogs running the streets. When crimes are committed in High sec. criminals should be penalized with a heavier hand.
And now after getting standings for good R&D agents you have to become a PVP pilot in a faction war (you want no part of ) to get decent number of data-cores for research. That makes NO sense!! Their PVPers, give them more ships, weapons and ammo so they can go back out there and do more PVP because that is what they want!!! Give them data-cores?? Makes NO sense!! How about leaving the data-core stuff alone. Don't fix what isn't broke!!!! I really don't understand CCPs position on this??
Charging fees for PI and now data-cores?? OK $10,000 fee is not real bad but PI fees are not worth it.
And how about fixing PI!! Hot spots of ore on planets are like weather patterns. It quickly disappears in a matter of a day. Should be a slower process like weeks...etc
How about addressing the miners and industrialist concerns for once!!!
There are multiple threads about hulk HP in F&ID right now. Go read those.
PI is working as intended. If you don't like the fees, build your own POCO in low/null. If you don't like highsec hotspots dying off, do your PI in low/null.
Market PVP is still PVP.
I'm assuming by $25m you actually mean ISK, not dollars. This is a terrible idea and won't stop anyone, since people will just put their money on an alt when they go ganking.
In short, come out of your highsec bubble and stop trying to get the game changed to suit you personally.
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Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:31:00 -
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I agree with the sentiment, but not with any of your ideas or proposed changes. Please think about your ideas more thouroughly before posting. |
Raging YarrX
Black Fury
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:07:00 -
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Don't forget the incredible turn around when CCP made the it so that you couldn't warp away after ganking someone in highsec. That is an incredible plus point to you already. How about the insurance buff? Removing insurance payout when you get concorded. Is that not enough? Why not suggest an invulnerability mod? OR a shield extender that gives you over 9000 shield hit points?
You're not meant to be making so much isk in highsec without any risk. Take incursion for an example. It is relatively safe but if someone fucks up thats a shiny ship gone.
You don't want to pvp fair enough. But it is like in real life. You pay attention to what you're doing. You just don't walk around thinking of something. That would get you hurt. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:19:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:I see now that there is no one standing up for the miners and industrialist. Are any of the CSMs truly miners/industrialist? Or is CCP truly just want everyone to PVP? We have several avenues we can take in this game. Combat, pirate, traders, miners, industrialist, etc. However it seems now there is a push for everyone to become PVPers whether or not you want to be one.
I enjoy the peace of mining and making things to put on the market. That in itself is fun for me. And I'm sure there are many like me in the EVE universe that wish not to PVP but play the market and build an industrial empire to provide for others. It is a challenge and different than what I do in RL. Mining and building stuff is something that doesn't require my full attention at all times like pvp requires.
That is the best part of the game. The complexity and different avenues you can take. However once again CCP seems to want everyone to be PVPers.
Examples: Exhumers are like paper kites and burn up in the matter of seconds by small ships with BB guns. You think ORE in their wisdom and experience in building ships would have made exhumers stronger knowing that space is a dangerous place (Even in high sec).
High sec is the new low sec. Disposable ships that PVPers wouldn't use in Low sec are being used in HIgh sec to destroy high isk ships. Really? That makes NO sense!! But of course they get "penalized for it". Yea RIGHT!! Sure let CONCORD destroy their ship, then how about a $25 mil fine for any ship destroyed and $50 mil fine for any pod destroyed. That sounds better then loose dogs running the streets. When crimes are committed in High sec. criminals should be penalized with a heavier hand.
And now after getting standings for good R&D agents you have to become a PVP pilot in a faction war (you want no part of ) to get decent number of data-cores for research. That makes NO sense!! Their PVPers, give them more ships, weapons and ammo so they can go back out there and do more PVP because that is what they want!!! Give them data-cores?? Makes NO sense!! How about leaving the data-core stuff alone. Don't fix what isn't broke!!!! I really don't understand CCPs position on this??
Charging fees for PI and now data-cores?? OK $10,000 fee is not real bad but PI fees are not worth it.
And how about fixing PI!! Hot spots of ore on planets are like weather patterns. It quickly disappears in a matter of a day. Should be a slower process like weeks...etc
How about addressing the miners and industrialist concerns for once!!!
I'M An industiralist and even I'm insulted by your driveling crying whining stupidity.
Go away and stop embarassing us. You have no understanding how this game works and you obviously do not belong here.
Post with your main coward. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:06:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:
I enjoy the peace of mining and making things to put on the market. That in itself is fun for me. And I'm sure there are many like me in the EVE universe that wish not to PVP but play the market and build an industrial empire to provide for others.
If you let sheep multiply without wolves to manage the population then you damage the eco-system
The Official Non-Official Goonswarm Federation |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:54:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:I see now that there is no one standing up for the miners and industrialist. Are any of the CSMs truly miners/industrialist? Or is CCP truly just want everyone to PVP? We have several avenues we can take in this game. Combat, pirate, traders, miners, industrialist, etc. However it seems now there is a push for everyone to become PVPers whether or not you want to be one.
I enjoy the peace of mining and making things to put on the market. That in itself is fun for me. And I'm sure there are many like me in the EVE universe that wish not to PVP but play the market and build an industrial empire to provide for others. It is a challenge and different than what I do in RL. Mining and building stuff is something that doesn't require my full attention at all times like pvp requires.
That is the best part of the game. The complexity and different avenues you can take. However once again CCP seems to want everyone to be PVPers.
Examples: Exhumers are like paper kites and burn up in the matter of seconds by small ships with BB guns. You think ORE in their wisdom and experience in building ships would have made exhumers stronger knowing that space is a dangerous place (Even in high sec).
High sec is the new low sec. Disposable ships that PVPers wouldn't use in Low sec are being used in HIgh sec to destroy high isk ships. Really? That makes NO sense!! But of course they get "penalized for it". Yea RIGHT!! Sure let CONCORD destroy their ship, then how about a $25 mil fine for any ship destroyed and $50 mil fine for any pod destroyed. That sounds better then loose dogs running the streets. When crimes are committed in High sec. criminals should be penalized with a heavier hand.
And now after getting standings for good R&D agents you have to become a PVP pilot in a faction war (you want no part of ) to get decent number of data-cores for research. That makes NO sense!! Their PVPers, give them more ships, weapons and ammo so they can go back out there and do more PVP because that is what they want!!! Give them data-cores?? Makes NO sense!! How about leaving the data-core stuff alone. Don't fix what isn't broke!!!! I really don't understand CCPs position on this??
Charging fees for PI and now data-cores?? OK $10,000 fee is not real bad but PI fees are not worth it.
And how about fixing PI!! Hot spots of ore on planets are like weather patterns. It quickly disappears in a matter of a day. Should be a slower process like weeks...etc
How about addressing the miners and industrialist concerns for once!!! Perhaps you could consider using less exclamation marks and less capitalized words? And perhaps a little more coherency? I can't understand what you are saying, but I think it's a rant about high-sec ganking.
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Cyprus Black
Novatech Armada En Garde
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Posted - 2012.05.11 21:05:00 -
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Leeroy McJenkins wrote:Complaint Dept wrote:
I enjoy the peace of mining and making things to put on the market. That in itself is fun for me. And I'm sure there are many like me in the EVE universe that wish not to PVP but play the market and build an industrial empire to provide for others.
If you let sheep multiply without wolves to manage the population then you damage the eco-system If you have too many wolves and not enough sheep, you get non stop complaints to CCP begging to force what little sheep are left into low/nullsec and bring the easy dinner to them. Waves of threads demanding the removal of level 4's from high sec, removal of incursions from highsec, removal of concord from highsec, removal of all production from highsec, remake all highsec into low/nullsec, and so on and so forth.
I have to side with the OP a little. There is a substantial playerbase that want nothing to do with game politics and soverenity and PvP. They just want to log in for an hour, shoot some rocks, refine some ore, make a little money and log off. Sure they're missing a LOT of the game, but for them this is enough Internet spaceship they want.
I do agree with the OP on one point and that is the survivability of exumers. When a cheap 1mil ship can swing by and murder a 300+ mil ship with little to no consequences or loss, that's a problem. It's like taking a POS car an intentionally going around smashing into ultra expensive luxury cars and receiving no penalty for it except the loss of your POS and a slap on the wrist by police.
Exumers need a buff in HP and their insurance payouts need to better reflect the true cost of the ship in today's market. You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.05.12 01:31:00 -
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I had personally always thought that there is a relatively simple fix for these kind of problems. GCC, if incurred in highsec, should last longer... And under GCC anywhere your pod should be vulnerable to podding without CONCORD intervention. I also believe that people with very low security statuses (when they can be attacked in highsec) should have their pod's vulnerable as well.
Lets face it. With the new system CCP proposed (where you can't go below -5 Sec status without killing pods in lowsec or suicide ganking), even normal lowsec pirates wouldn't have to worry about this change. Only the suicide gankers etc would have to worry about it. It would make their choice (to suicide gank or kill a pod) much more meaningful.
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