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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:04:00 -
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I see ppl all over the place QQing about Goons "griefing" but if you dont get banned/warned for it .... its not griefing. If CCP is cool with it its not griefing.
So Ive asked this a number of times in other threads and never got an answer.
HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing? Not talking in newbie systems, thats a special case cause CCP likes retaining new players. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:15:00 -
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It does happen |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1582
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:16:00 -
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I'm sure that there have been people banned for griefing. However, 99.99999999999999999% of the people who are supposedly 'griefing' are simply playing the game within the bounds of the system and just doing something someone else dislikes.
The main thing is that there's a line between playing the game and making it personal. Gank a guy a few times for tears, that's fine. Spend three months hunting him 24/7 and make it impossible for him to play the game at all, that's griefing and might get you banned. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:20:00 -
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mxzf wrote:I'm sure that there have been people banned for griefing. However, 99.99999999999999999% of the people who are supposedly 'griefing' are simply playing the game within the bounds of the system and just doing something someone else dislikes.
The main thing is that there's a line between playing the game and making it personal. Gank a guy a few times for tears, that's fine. Spend three months hunting him 24/7 and make it impossible for him to play the game at all, that's griefing and might get you banned.
Yeah this is what Im saying. Im just curious if its ever even happened cause if not, then there really ISNT a griefing rule lol
A rule thats never enforced isnt any kind of actual rule or deterrant.
And the 23/7 bit is why the really hardcore miners QQ about hulkageddon I think. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
243
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:21:00 -
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Remind me why mittens was banned |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
634
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:29:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned Advocating griefing. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Joe Skellington
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
59
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:30:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:43:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
wait wasnt that out of game?
Oh yeah it was... kinda why I didnt add him... well that and all the ppl QQing to let that lie well that and it wasnt technically JUST in game griefing... it was out of game cyberbullying or cyberstalking
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
356
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:43:00 -
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If there's a tangible ingame motivation for the aforesaid 'griefing' (ISK, KMs, what have you), the rule of thumb appears to be that it's not griefing. If, however, (for example) you are bumping someone for an hour continuously for 'teh lulz' (i.e., no real reason why you're doing it other than to bother and annoy), then anecdotal evidence suggests that you will be taken aside and shot. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:47:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:If there's a tangible ingame motivation for the aforesaid 'griefing' (ISK, KMs, what have you), the rule of thumb appears to be that it's not griefing. If, however, (for example) you are bumping someone for an hour continuously for 'teh lulz' (i.e., no real reason why you're doing it other than to bother and annoy), then anecdotal evidence suggests that you will be taken aside and shot.
So then Burn Jita and the suicide gankers that do it for "teh luls" not for the money are guilty? CCP seems to disagree.
Thats kinda the point here. There doesnt seem to BE a "hard and steady" rule.
It took EVEN Mittens to make a drunken announcement on essentially live TV and a Eurogamer article comprised largely of lies and that catching on with everyone in the gaming news to eve n GET banned and thats even IF there actually WAS any griefing done, which noone still knows. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:57:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:If there's a tangible ingame motivation for the aforesaid 'griefing' (ISK, KMs, what have you), the rule of thumb appears to be that it's not griefing. If, however, (for example) you are bumping someone for an hour continuously for 'teh lulz' (i.e., no real reason why you're doing it other than to bother and annoy), then anecdotal evidence suggests that you will be taken aside and shot. So then Burn Jita and the suicide gankers that do it for "teh luls" not for the money are guilty? CCP seems to disagree. Thats kinda the point here. There doesnt seem to BE a "hard and steady" rule. It took EVEN Mittens to make a drunken announcement on essentially live TV and a Eurogamer article comprised largely of lies and that catching on with everyone in the gaming news to eve n GET banned and thats even IF there actually WAS any griefing done, which noone still knows.
If burn Jita involved just shooting the same person over and over for an entire weekend, then I might could see your point. But see, if you consider Burn Jita to be griefing, then you'd also have to consider station camping to be griefing as well and then it's just a slippery slope to all pvping being griefing. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
410
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:03:00 -
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This is why it's better to leave it to the professionals to decide what constitutes as griefing and what isn't. If you believe somebody is doing something that you consider as griefing file a petition on it and let those who made the rules decide if it falls in the realm of grief play.
Burn Jita was not considered griefing. They gave players ample warning and announcements were even made in the system before the event started. The people in those freighters during the event knew what was outside of that dock. They did not target anyone in particular and they only kept it up for the duration that they had stated they would. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:33:00 -
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All I can say is "good grief" |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
458
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:41:00 -
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The only name that springs to mind from my looking into EVE history is Ginger Magician, a name a few older players will recognise will recognise. More threatening RL harm than in game griefing, but close enough. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
425
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:52:00 -
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Griefing is a definition they added to the EULA, but there is no clear definition as to what griefing is.
So the application of punishment for griefing is something which rarely get's used because of the character of EVE. In EVE a lot of things that would get you in a world of trouble in most games or will certainly get you in a world of trouble in real life are in EVE valid game mechanics.
CCP has made it so that the most anti social behaviour is actually encouraged and promoted as part of the whole gaming experience. So expect it all to go very very far before a GM or Dev will burn his fingers and ban someone actually for griefing.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
725
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:33:00 -
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Good luck with a definition. CCP's sense of justice can be somewhat arbitrary. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
172
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:38:00 -
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The only time I have heard of is repeated violation of the griefing in new player systems. Doing so once will get you a warning and not any more please. More than that, well that can do it. Is about the only way as far as I can tell. Also direct targeting of a player in game for personal, non game reasons can as well. |
Boomhaur
46
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:56:00 -
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Yeah people get banned just that our definition of griefing is a lot more relax than say WoW. In WoW if I attack you I would probably be labled a griefer, if I scam you I am a griefer, if I sneeze on you I am a griefer. In Eve we can do just about anything we want along if we can keep it in game and within the game mechanics, minus a few things here and there and were fine |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1106
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:59:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
getting drunk and saying silly meta things on stage that his enemies could use against him
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
827
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:10:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote: CCP's sense of justice can be somewhat arbitrary.
If applied to RL, that would make things 'interesting'. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:12:00 -
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mxzf wrote:I'm sure that there have been people banned for griefing. However, 99.99999999999999999% of the people who are supposedly 'griefing' are simply playing the game within the bounds of the system and just doing something someone else dislikes.
The main thing is that there's a line between playing the game and making it personal. Gank a guy a few times for tears, that's fine. Spend three months hunting him 24/7 and make it impossible for him to play the game at all, that's griefing and might get you banned.
..just 3 months? ..for a might? Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:15:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:If there's a tangible ingame motivation for the aforesaid 'griefing' (ISK, KMs, what have you), the rule of thumb appears to be that it's not griefing. If, however, (for example) you are bumping someone for an hour continuously for 'teh lulz' (i.e., no real reason why you're doing it other than to bother and annoy), then anecdotal evidence suggests that you will be taken aside and shot. So then Burn Jita and the suicide gankers that do it for "teh luls" not for the money are guilty? CCP seems to disagree. Thats kinda the point here. There doesnt seem to BE a "hard and steady" rule. It took EVEN Mittens to make a drunken announcement on essentially live TV and a Eurogamer article comprised largely of lies and that catching on with everyone in the gaming news to eve n GET banned and thats even IF there actually WAS any griefing done, which noone still knows.
Don't let them fool you, it's for the ISK. The after effects of Burn Jita are still playing out and I'm sure the Goons and many more will be making ISK off that for months yet. There is also ulaterior motivation there, but while luls are good, they are not it and are actually just an added bonus. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:45:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:This is why it's better to leave it to the professionals to decide what constitutes as griefing and what isn't.
Firstly, I like it when I know if my actions would get me banned before I do them Secondly I like having hard, written rules for what is and isnt gonna GET me banned
Markus Reese wrote:The only time I have heard of is repeated violation of the griefing in new player systems. Doing so once will get you a warning and not any more please. More than that, well that can do it. Is about the only way as far as I can tell. Also direct targeting of a player in game for personal, non game reasons can as well.
Quote:HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing? Not talking in newbie systems, thats a special case cause CCP likes retaining new players.
Yeah I noted that in the OP http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:49:00 -
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Banned for griefing??? You must be joking.
When the lead dev, who is definitely ex-goon, possibly current goon, can obliterate high sec, and keep his job, you think CCP cares about griefing players in-game? goons: "We don't want to ruin THE game, just YOUR game". ex-goon Soundwave: "I don't want to ruin THE game, just the game you THINK you should be playing." |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:50:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote: CCP's sense of justice can be somewhat arbitrary. If applied to RL, that would make things 'interesting'.
Define interesting
Hoban Washburne wrote:Oh God, Oh God, we're all gonna die?
Had to lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:54:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Banned for griefing??? You must be joking.
When the lead dev, who is definitely ex-goon, possibly current goon, can obliterate high sec, and keep his job, you think CCP cares about griefing players in-game?
Who the hell is Vince Snetterson? |
gfldex
500
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:54:00 -
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I know a few players how got warnings for grief play but heard about anybody who got banned. The warnings might do the trick.
Insults and RL threats are a different matter who. Got a few not so confident individuals banned for that myself.
When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
HyperZerg
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
9
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:54:00 -
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If you "grief" random people ingame it should be fine.
But, if you pick someone for an out of game reason, like your ex-wife for example and let's say gank her in highsec all the time for no in-game reason I guess you have some chances to get banned.
But not sure, I don't grief that much :P |
Styx Sertan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 01:48:00 -
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What is your definition of griefing?
Solo suicide ganking? Suicide Ganking in general? War-deccing and Reinforcing/killing POS? Camping the same wardecs in stations and causing area denial? Ransoming someone's Reinforced POS? Sending someone a ransom letter for said POS? Taunting Wardecs? Wardecing enemies of the state? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 01:50:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:Banned for griefing??? You must be joking.
When the lead dev, who is definitely ex-goon, possibly current goon, can obliterate high sec, and keep his job, you think CCP cares about griefing players in-game? Who the hell is Vince Snetterson?
a failed quote appartently -.- http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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