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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:17:00 -
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I mean, if you want to read something hilarious;
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336
Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
****, by that ruling half the ppl in the game, Goons for one and anyone that suicide ganks "for the lulz" or to "collect tears" or hell, even "to combat botters" is in violation of this.
Who am I kidding, 75% or more lol
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:18:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote: CCP's sense of justice can be somewhat arbitrary. If applied to RL, that would make things 'interesting'. Define interesting Hoban Washburne wrote:Oh God, Oh God, we're all gonna die? Had to lol Quote:Banned for griefing??? You must be joking.
I keep seeing the argument Goons/Helicity should be banned for griefing but if neever ever has then there effectively IS NO rule thats ever enforced FOR that so you CANT even if tit wasnt dumb so what else has Soundwave done thats pissed you off? Changing Datacores will hardly destroy highsec
You are correct, trashing the datacore mechanic, primarily a high sec mechanic, will not cause high sec to die. But let's add that to the other Soundwave gems, and these are just the recent ones:
1. Wipe out meta 0 drops. Extremely few stop to salvage in null sec. I used to run Sanctums in null pre nerf and Havens post nerf. NO ONE salvaged unless it as a faction rat. You slow down your ISK stream in null if you salvage. So that was a direct attack on high sec income. And please don't bring up that chestnut "but now meta 0 items can be mfg'ed for greater profit". Sorry, I used to run both indy chars and mission runners. (Indy accounts being shut down over the next few weeks as the plexes lapse out on them). The ISK I made from meta 0 drops far, far outweighed the profits from buying the mins and then mfg the items.
2. The obliteration of incursion income, once again the vast majority coming from high sec. I am looking forward to the end of May numbers for income from the CCP tweet feed. Then again, I would not be surprised if those numbers are "unavailable". The ultimate set of numbers which I have yet to see is a breakdown of ISK injected into the game, not by type of activity, but but by type of sec zone. That set of numbers would be far more telling.
3. How about reaching back a bit further to the release of the Tornado and the buff of the Catalyst. I have to be careful on this one. I am not positive the ex-goon (possibly current goon) lead dev is responsible for the design of those ships, but they were released on his watch. Remember all the high sec gankers rejoicing at the stats on them back then? Guess that has come home to roost.
No, I have no reason to hate Soundwave, none at all. It is only my imagination that he is waging a campaign to wipe out high sec. Why grief individual pilots when you can destroy the enjoyment of the game for thousands at one time? It is of course also my imagination that his actions precisely align with the wish list of the null sec zealot element within the game and within CCP.
goons: "We don't want to ruin THE game, just YOUR game". ex-goon Soundwave: "I don't want to ruin THE game, just the game you THINK you should be playing." |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
928
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:20:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
For cyber bullying.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:28:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:
You are correct, trashing the datacore mechanic, primarily a high sec mechanic, will not cause high sec to die. But let's add that to the other Soundwave gems, and these are just the recent ones:
1. Wipe out meta 0 drops. Extremely few stop to salvage in null sec. I used to run Sanctums in null pre nerf and Havens post nerf. NO ONE salvaged unless it as a faction rat. You slow down your ISK stream in null if you salvage. So that was a direct attack on high sec income. And please don't bring up that chestnut "but now meta 0 items can be mfg'ed for greater profit". Sorry, I used to run both indy chars and mission runners. (Indy accounts being shut down over the next few weeks as the plexes lapse out on them). The ISK I made from meta 0 drops far, far outweighed the profits from buying the mins and then mfg the items.
Ive made more salvaging in high sec since this change (I think, I dont have hard data). Mostly with target painters and smart bombs lol
Quote: 2. The obliteration of incursion income, once again the vast majority coming from high sec.
What "obliteration" is this? 10%? I saw all the "omg you killed Incursions" threads on the forums, posted here an there myself, then I logged on the game and asked ppl I know that run incursuions and they had no idea at all what I was talking about when I was saying theyd died. "Yeah you only make about 95 mil/hour now, not THAT big a deal." Hardly what Id call "obliteration."
Quote: 3. How about reaching back a bit further to the release of the Tornado and the buff of the Catalyst. I have to be careful on this one. I am not positive the ex-goon (possibly current goon) lead dev is responsible for the design of those ships, but they were released on his watch. Remember all the high sec gankers rejoicing at the stats on them back then? Guess that has come home to roost.
Yeah and then they removed insurance payouts but then as they say" it wasnt about the insurance" so I guess they didnt care, but yeah they definately made the gankers stronger. Its funny when CCP tweaks CONCORD's response time to see the screaming and gnashing of teeth on the forums lol
Quote: No, I have no reason to hate Soundwave, none at all. It is only my imagination that he is waging a campaign to wipe out high sec. Why grief individual pilots when you can destroy the enjoyment of the game for thousands at one time? It is of course also my imagination that his actions precisely align with the wish list of the null sec zealot element within the game and within CCP.
yea... zealot... thats the word.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
863
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:37:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
Because a bunch of shitheads from the forums tried to ruin the Sony/CCP partnership using half true (and blatantly false) news articles posted by bloggers who have an agenda against The Mittani.
Next question? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6578
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:40:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:When the lead dev, who is definitely ex-goon, possibly current goon, can obliterate high sec, and keep his job, you think CCP cares about griefing players in-game? Good thing he's not doing that, then. Instead, he's giving back a purpose to mining and low-end manufacturing; balancing incursion sites; buffs ships that have gone unused for a very long time; and add new ships that offer new tactics and fleet compositions.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:****, by that ruling half the ppl in the game, Goons for one and anyone that suicide ganks "for the lulz" or to "collect tears" or hell, even "to combat botters" is in violation of this. All of them fall down on the GÇ£much of his timeGÇ¥ part, and most of them fall on the GÇ£does not profitGÇ¥ point as well. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:41:00 -
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1. It is mathematically impossible to make more now salvaging. The meta zero items were replaced with a single piece of scrap metal. The other drop rates (meta 1 and above) were supposedly NOT altered. CCP posted that in the dev blogs.
2. Don't know who you have spoken with re: Incursions, but jump into THe Ditanian Fleet channel, and ask around. It was not the 10% nerf to payouts, but the necessity to kill everything and the randomization of the spawns. Max is now 60M/ hour, IF you are in a totally superb fleet, with zero competition in system. Most people are making 70% of that, about the same as someone flying a faction fitted Marauder in L4's.
BTW, DT fleet channel topped out at over 500 on weekends. NOW have a look at it. Most time, it is difficult to get into a fleet in that channel due to a lack of critical mass of pilots. Further, Tuxford of CCP used to tweet that Incursions injected 9 billion / month into the economy. Let's see what the end of May numbers show.
3. The ganking issue has been done to death, and the failed laywer's sociopaths demonstrated the power of the suicide gank ship 2 weekends ago, and continue with their sponsorship of hulkageddon.
All this brought to you from the fertile mind of CCP Soundwave, an ex-goon who is clearly the symbol of game balance and someone who espouses enjoyment for all styles of game play. goons: "We don't want to ruin THE game, just YOUR game". ex-goon Soundwave: "I don't want to ruin THE game, just the game you THINK you should be playing." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6578
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:44:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:All this brought to you from the fertile mind of CCP Soundwave Actually, most of it was brought to you by the fertile minds of the forumgoers, since they've been lobbying for these things since roughly forever.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:****, by that ruling half the ppl in the game, Goons for one and anyone that suicide ganks "for the lulz" or to "collect tears" or hell, even "to combat botters" is in violation of this. All of them fall down on the GÇ£much of his timeGÇ¥ part, and most of them fall on the GÇ£does not profitGÇ¥ point as well.
Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:12:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:1. It is mathematically impossible to make more now salvaging. The meta zero items were replaced with a single piece of scrap metal. The other drop rates (meta 1 and above) were supposedly NOT altered. CCP posted that in the dev blogs.
Well I could be wrong of course, but Im seeing a lot more things selling for a million plus isks SINCE the change than BEFORE. Thats why I say I dont have any hard facts, its just what I think.
Quote: 2. Don't know who you have spoken with re: Incursions, but jump into THe Ditanian Fleet channel, and ask around. It was not the 10% nerf to payouts, but the necessity to kill everything and the randomization of the spawns. Max is now 60M/ hour, IF you are in a totally superb fleet, with zero competition in system. Most people are making 70% of that, about the same as someone flying a faction fitted Marauder in L4's.
BTW, DT fleet channel topped out at over 500 on weekends. NOW have a look at it. Most time, it is difficult to get into a fleet in that channel due to a lack of critical mass of pilots. Further, Tuxford of CCP used to tweet that Incursions injected 9 billion / month into the economy. Let's see what the end of May numbers show.
(thats a good thing. You think the isk devaluing and inflation we've been seeing was from something Soundwave did (I ask that cause everything else seems to be his fault)? NO. Its the BILLIONS Incursions were DUMPING into the game. I think CCP made them for the idea of a PVE social event for ppl to do together (there arent a lot of those that Ive seen other than PVP), for a limited time. NOT a permanent farming grounds to **** Isks into the game. It was a neat idea they came up with that we perverted into a MASSIVE isk fountain
Yeah I only know three people doing it, and theyre low end skill level wise but their payouts keep telling me its 95 mil not 60 mil and youll excuse if Im not gonna drop their names on EVE-O without asking them first.
Quote: 3. The ganking issue has been done to death, and the failed laywer's sociopaths demonstrated the power of the suicide gank ship 2 weekends ago, and continue with their sponsorship of hulkageddon.
Ya, I only remarked on it cause you brought it up. If you hadnt wanted to you shouldnt have lol
Quote: All this brought to you from the fertile mind of CCP Soundwave, an ex-goon who is clearly the symbol of game balance and someone who espouses enjoyment for all styles of game play.
The only style of game play Ive seen him impact is the isk farmers. The one that worries me really is the "you shouldnt mine with guns" which makes me think they may remove item drops from rats/missions and that would annoy me
lol im arguing like Tippia (in format not quality)
Tippia wrote: (which was a waste of time compared to blitzing anyway)
I build rigs so I salvage with an alt anyways. not always to sell, plus, I garbage compactor most of the mods to get minerals when I cant mine. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6578
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:27:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it Sure there is. It's just that most people aren't actually griefers because they're in it for something else. The GÇ£no ruleGÇ¥ thing is just the perception of those who assume that EVE will be like other games where blowing people up for no outwardly apparent reason counts as griefing.
Quote:lol im arguing like Tippia (in format not quality) This is a good thing (the format, not the quality). It keeps the points being and their respective counter-arguments separate and easier to follow compared to when it's just a big blob quote and then a response relating to godknowswhat in that quote.
Quote:I build rigs so I salvage with an alt anyways. not always to sell, plus, I garbage compactor most of the mods to get minerals when I cant mine. Sure. What I'm getting at is that, if you're doing it for the money rather than for justGǪ I don't knowGǪ playing around and doing a bunch of stuff you enjoy and which your character can do, then stopping to loot and salvage is actually a losing proposition. Don't get me wrong GÇö I do the same as you GÇö but I'm also aware that I could make more money if I did it differently. Since Vince's argument here was one of making money, I'm just pointing out that if he falls into the maximise-money camp, the loot changes makes zero difference. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it Sure there is. It's just that most people aren't actually griefers because they're in it for something else. The GÇ£no ruleGÇ¥ thing is just the perception of those who assume that EVE will be like other games where blowing people up for no outwardly apparent reason counts as griefing.
Hm.. maybe I cant get it across the way I want to...
ah maybe like this
Dude ganks you, you ask why (its stupid to message them I know they love that but ppl do it, I dont get it but w/e its just an example), they say "for the lulz" You report them, does the GM go after them or does he then have the option to talk to the GM and go "I did it for the stuff he dropped" or if the GM sees he looted you, etc.
He said he did it "for the lulz." Hell he may even thing he DID do it "for the lulz", but as far as the GM (hence that rule) in concerned, he didnt, which is why the rule comes off as nonsense to me.
Dunno if that helps. I DEFINATELY dont look at EVE like any other game lol "wretched hive of scum and villany" and all and we revel in it. That makes the game better imo. The question was mostly curiosity than anything lol
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6579
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:01:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Dude ganks you, you ask why (its stupid to message them I know they love that but ppl do it, I dont get it but w/e its just an example), they say "for the lulz" You report them, does the GM go after them or does he then have the option to talk to the GM and go "I did it for the stuff he dropped" or if the GM sees he looted you, etc.
He said he did it "for the lulz." Hell he may even thing he DID do it "for the lulz", but as far as the GM (hence that rule) in concerned, he didnt, which is why the rule comes off as nonsense to me. Well, for one, a single event is no event. Yes, he will probably have a chance to answer and the GMs will look at what he actually did, but what the two parties say in that single instance is probably of superbly minute importance. In this case in particular, the fact that I have to ask him rather absolves him from any kind of griefing, since he's not really trying to get a rise out of me. Even if he doesn't loot, it's still not much of an indication because he can still be doing it as part of a contract, as part of some area denial, as plain old killboard whoringGǪ or any number of GǣprofitsGǥ that go beyond simple ISK.
What matters is what the ganker does the next time, and the next time, and the next time (etc). Does he keep blowing people up and nothing else? Does he keep evemailing them, opening chats with them and taunting them in local? Pretty much all griefing in EVE will be on the very edge (if not necessarily always coinciding with) some kind of harassment. Blowing me up this once, even just because he was bored out of his skull and couldn't take it any more still doesn't make it griefing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:04:00 -
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Outgame reasons to gank someone over and over can easy be made into ingame reasons. Is it griefing then or a valid gametactic toput tremendous pressure on your target?
I recall I have used alts and sometimes my main to get pressure on certain people for a prolonged period of time. Some of them left the game because the pressure just never seemed to stop, others are currently still feeling safe untill the trap snaps. I do this by calling in favours handing out favours or hiring in certain people who love certain styles of gameplay.
Does this make me a griefer if my action comes from valid and solid ingame actions and / or reactions?
I for one can carry a grudge for a very long time but I can also wait patiently for a plan to slowly to unfold I am patient when it comes to planning things and I don't need to use this account to get certain things done. Some things require a lot of planning and patience. Others require a prolonged period of pressure which might seem like griefing.
So once again, what exactly is griefing and what is valid gameplay. Comming with definitions you pull off of some website might look cute for internet lawyers, but they hold very little substenance for EVE. As long as CCP doesn't define exactly what they see as griefing and what as valid gameplay you will always be at the mercy of a GM's personal interpretation. This might be influenced aswel by how they frown upon you or the group you belong to. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Dude ganks you, you ask why (its stupid to message them I know they love that but ppl do it, I dont get it but w/e its just an example), they say "for the lulz" You report them, does the GM go after them or does he then have the option to talk to the GM and go "I did it for the stuff he dropped" or if the GM sees he looted you, etc.
He said he did it "for the lulz." Hell he may even thing he DID do it "for the lulz", but as far as the GM (hence that rule) in concerned, he didnt, which is why the rule comes off as nonsense to me. Well, for one, a single event is no event. Yes, he will probably have a chance to answer and the GMs will look at what he actually did, but what the two parties say in that single instance is probably of superbly minute importance. In this case in particular, the fact that I have to ask him rather absolves him from any kind of griefing, since he's not really trying to get a rise out of me. Even if he doesn't loot, it's still not much of an indication because he can still be doing it as part of a contract, as part of some area denial, as plain old killboard whoringGǪ or any number of GǣprofitsGǥ that go beyond simple ISK. What matters is what the ganker does the next time, and the next time, and the next time (etc). Does he keep blowing people up and nothing else? Does he keep evemailing them, opening chats with them and taunting them in local? Pretty much all griefing in EVE will be on the very edge (if not necessarily always coinciding with) some kind of harassment. Blowing me up this once, even just because he was bored out of his skull and couldn't take it any more still doesn't make it griefing.
lol that kills like every miner's qq for getting ganked pretty much ever right there. You dont her them bitching cause one guy is killing them over an over but cause everyone is which is why nothing will ever BE done cause its not the same guy AND theres a monetary gain.
So what about that Goon Death Squad thing? Looking for specific people to kill over an over an over an over but Id assume theyd be smart enough not to do it to the same guy over an over so yea nvm lol
An yeah I get the whole "dont be a **** an do it in the starter systems we'd like the new ppl to want to stay" lol
Killer Gandry wrote: Comming with definitions you pull off of some website might look cute for internet lawyers, but they hold very little substenance for EVE.
....look at the link......
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336
Ill help
support dot EVEONLINE dot com
yea.... http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
664
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it Sure there is. It's just that most people aren't actually griefers because they're in it for something else. The GÇ£no ruleGÇ¥ thing is just the perception of those who assume that EVE will be like other games where blowing people up for no outwardly apparent reason counts as griefing. Hilariously, it would be like if a tornado blew up your hulk (outside hulkageddon of course), and proceeded to do so to you every day for a week but never touching the other three hulks in the same belt ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:17:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Look at the bolded out and underlined part:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
As soon as they added "At our discretion" they added the confusion about who and what decides what and when.
I am fairly certain I can create a situation which one GM would ban me for, another would warn me and a third would say " Well played and within the rules" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6580
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:28:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:lol that kills like every miner's qq for getting ganked pretty much ever right there. You dont her them bitching cause one guy is killing them over an over but cause everyone is which is why nothing will ever BE done cause its not the same guy AND theres a monetary gain. Yup. Welcome to EVE.
Mining in particular is always an iffy area since it can always be traced back to resource denial and market manipulation GÇö two huge profit items.
Quote:So what about that Goon Death Squad thing? Largely seems to fall under the category of GÇ£standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) playersGÇ¥. The death squad thing just says they won't necessarily be able to use war avoidance techniques to get away from it. It's not for the lulz or to derive enjoyment from making people's lives miserable GÇö it's for GÇ£the STFUsGÇ¥ and part and parcel of the EVE political environment.
Alavaria Fera wrote:Hilariously, it would be like if a tornado blew up your hulk (outside hulkageddon of course), and proceeded to do so to you every day for a week but never touching the other three hulks in the same belt ... Yup. At this point, there might be more of case of actual griefing, but it would still be a question of how they behave whenever you're not in that Hulk. It could just be those other miners in the belt that have hired someone to get rid of youGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:29:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it Sure there is. It's just that most people aren't actually griefers because they're in it for something else. The GÇ£no ruleGÇ¥ thing is just the perception of those who assume that EVE will be like other games where blowing people up for no outwardly apparent reason counts as griefing. Hilariously, it would be like if a tornado blew up your hulk (outside hulkageddon of course), and proceeded to do so to you every day for a week but never touching the other three hulks in the same belt ...
OR looting you, and then bumping you out of lazer range when not blowing you up
yeah I get it it DOES exist but you have to go monumentally out of the way to do it lol
Killer Gandry wrote:
As soon as they added "At our discretion" they added the confusion about who and what decides what and when.
I am fairly certain I can create a situation which one GM would ban me for, another would warn me and a third would say " Well played and within the rules"
Which is straight dumb imo. The fuzzy nature of the rules in this game need to be clarified. There shouldnt BE situations where one guy says youre good and the other guy permabans you. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:lol that kills like every miner's qq for getting ganked pretty much ever right there. You dont her them bitching cause one guy is killing them over an over but cause everyone is which is why nothing will ever BE done cause its not the same guy AND theres a monetary gain. Yup. Welcome to EVE. Mining in particular is always an iffy area since it can always be traced back to resource denial and market manipulation GÇö two huge profit items.
lol you should take the first part of that and copy paste it every time you see a miner qqing lol
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
664
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Hilariously, it would be like if a tornado blew up your hulk (outside hulkageddon of course), and proceeded to do so to you every day for a week but never touching the other three hulks in the same belt ... Yup. At this point, there might be more of case of actual griefing, but it would still be a question of how they behave whenever you're not in that Hulk. It could just be those other miners in the belt that have hired someone to get rid of youGǪ Nah, I was actually thinking of an actual miner's alt doing it. It's very fast to train a tornado alt after all.
I only bring this up, because I think someone mentioned doing it after some "newcomers" tried to mine out "their" system. Haha. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
412
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:55:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:This is why it's better to leave it to the professionals to decide what constitutes as griefing and what isn't. Firstly, I like it when I know if my actions would get me banned before I do them
When in doubt, petition. If you ask 50 people a question you will receive 50 different answers and you will be no closer than where you were before you asked. If you ask the people who make the rules not only will you receive a clear answer, you will have documentation that you can fall on in case somebody does call you on it.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Secondly I like having hard, written rules for what is and isnt gonna GET me banned
You set yourself up to be disappointed then. Rules change all the time. Players are always finding new and fascinating ways to bend the rules, ways that the company may not have foreseen. It is then up to the company to decide if it should be allowed or not. 2 examples would be boomerang and dec shield. Up until recently dec shield was considered an exploit, and now its not. Up until recently people were pulling a boomerang, and now they can't. Asking here is like the blind leading the blind through the maze.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:00:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:
You set yourself up to be disappointed then. Rules change all the time. Players are always finding new and fascinating ways to bend the rules, ways that the company may not have foreseen. It is then up to the company to decide if it should be allowed or not. 2 examples would be boomerang and dec shield. Up until recently dec shield was considered an exploit, and now its not. Up until recently people were pulling a boomerang, and now they can't. Asking here is like the blind leading the blind through the maze.
Like how POS Bowling wasnt till a lotta ppl used it lol
I was hoping FOR a clarification. Like the guy that asked for a clarification on the starter system rules and got like 5 Dev replies http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
412
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:04:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:
You set yourself up to be disappointed then. Rules change all the time. Players are always finding new and fascinating ways to bend the rules, ways that the company may not have foreseen. It is then up to the company to decide if it should be allowed or not. 2 examples would be boomerang and dec shield. Up until recently dec shield was considered an exploit, and now its not. Up until recently people were pulling a boomerang, and now they can't. Asking here is like the blind leading the blind through the maze.
Like how POS Bowling wasnt till a lotta ppl used it lol I was hoping FOR a clarification. Like the guy that asked for a clarification on the starter system rules and got like 5 Dev replies
I hope you took note that he was very specific in what he asked for. Are you looking for clarification of what is and isn't an exploit for this week? |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:24:00 -
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I thought the discussion was about griefing and not exploiting.
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:50:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:I thought the discussion was about griefing and not exploiting.
derail to fail Something Awful propaganda 101
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Generic GOON'tard UmadbroUMAD
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 06:04:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:I thought the discussion was about griefing and not exploiting.
derail to fail Something Awful propaganda 101
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
672
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Posted - 2012.05.11 06:28:00 -
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I dont know anyone who has been banned for it but i have seen and heard about it.
When i was a few weeks old a gang of dedicated griefers told me that they would wardec me until i gave up playing the game. It lasted for over a month and i was getting emails for over a year.
I know a guy who would not let someone else out of a station for 2 months over some suposed insult and another guy who just liked to pick people and then grief them out of the game.
It does happen and it happens more than people think I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 07:36:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:I dont know anyone who has been banned for it but i have seen and heard about it.
When i was a few weeks old a gang of dedicated griefers told me that they would wardec me until i gave up playing the game. It lasted for over a month and i was getting emails for over a year.
I know a guy who would not let someone else out of a station for 2 months over some suposed insult and another guy who just liked to pick people and then grief them out of the game.
It does happen and it happens more than people think
And things like that should be reported... were they and were they blown off? http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
358
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Posted - 2012.05.11 08:25:00 -
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Xython wrote:Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned Because a bunch of shitheads from the forums tried to ruin the Sony/CCP partnership using half true (and blatantly false) news articles posted by bloggers who have an agenda against The Mittani. Next question?
You sound mad, bro. I'd suggest not getting your panties in a twist for an easier lifestyle. |
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