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Fool jibberjabber
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Posted - 2009.05.18 13:17:00 -
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Just interested in the state of the Amarr vs Matari FW.. we see lots of well documented reports on here regarding Federation (notably Wolfy's adventures) and Caldari (Pervs still have the best corp name ever), but nothig on the 'other' fight.
Any opinions?
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.18 15:05:00 -
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the minmatar and amarr side appears to have people who just 'get on with it', the gal caldari teams certainly enjoy talking about playing the game a lot :)
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 16:09:00 -
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Talking was tried and diplomatic efforts were made, but the shroud the totalitarian Shakor regime has pulled over the collective Matari eyes seems impenetrable.
Until such a time when the Minmatar realise that Shakor is a traitor to their beloved republic, we shall hold the line against the naked aggression of the malevolent demagogue.
Our most exalted Empress tried showing goodwill by emancipating a fraction of the slaves within the Empire, but still the propaganda oozes from the bowels of the Shakorite dictatorship. Imagine if our most glorious Empress had not foreseen the turmoil in the Republic and had released ALL slaves. The token amount emancipated ended up internment camps due to the Republics inability to accommodate them .. nothing says "Welcome Home" like barbed wire and shanty towns.
Open your eyes, see Shakor for what he is and what he has done to the once proud people of Matar.
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 16:16:00 -
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Oh God, roleplayers.
On that note, if you can be bothered to sit through the "My Amarrian God is leading me down this path to bring the ruthless Minmatarians under our control again!" nonsense there's apparently quite a bit of info on the Intergalactic Summit forum. *shudders*
It's just FW, don't take it too seriously. Go shoot stuff. ___________________
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:52:00 -
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Just interested in the state of the Amarr vs Matari FW.. we see lots of well documented reports on here regarding Federation (notably Wolfy's adventures) and Caldari (Pervs still have the best corp name ever), but nothig on the 'other' fight.
Any opinions?
Caldaris do it on the forums, Amarrs do it in game.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.05.18 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Veshta Yoshida Talking was tried and diplomatic efforts were made, but the shroud the totalitarian Shakor regime has pulled over the collective Matari eyes seems impenetrable.
Until such a time when the Minmatar realise that Shakor is a traitor to their beloved republic, we shall hold the line against the naked aggression of the malevolent demagogue.
Our most exalted Empress tried showing goodwill by emancipating a fraction of the slaves within the Empire, but still the propaganda oozes from the bowels of the Shakorite dictatorship. Imagine if our most glorious Empress had not foreseen the turmoil in the Republic and had released ALL slaves. The token amount emancipated ended up internment camps due to the Republics inability to accommodate them .. nothing says "Welcome Home" like barbed wire and shanty towns.
Open your eyes, see Shakor for what he is and what he has done to the once proud people of Matar.
arr goto love CVA bunch of utter nuts shall i get the white padded room ready
but IMO the amarr are the best as ive heard almost nothing about them must mean they do there thing instead of just talk about it unlike the calamari
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crockett EXE
Minmatar Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.05.18 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G
but IMO the amarr are the best as ive heard almost nothing about them must mean they do there thing instead of just talk about it unlike the calamari
umm go read the role playing forum.. They chest thump in there all the time..
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G
Originally by: Veshta Yoshida Talking was tried and diplomatic efforts were made, but the shroud the totalitarian Shakor regime has pulled over the collective Matari eyes seems impenetrable.
Until such a time when the Minmatar realise that Shakor is a traitor to their beloved republic, we shall hold the line against the naked aggression of the malevolent demagogue.
Our most exalted Empress tried showing goodwill by emancipating a fraction of the slaves within the Empire, but still the propaganda oozes from the bowels of the Shakorite dictatorship. Imagine if our most glorious Empress had not foreseen the turmoil in the Republic and had released ALL slaves. The token amount emancipated ended up internment camps due to the Republics inability to accommodate them .. nothing says "Welcome Home" like barbed wire and shanty towns.
Open your eyes, see Shakor for what he is and what he has done to the once proud people of Matar.
arr goto love CVA bunch of utter nuts shall i get the white padded room ready
but IMO the amarr are the best as ive heard almost nothing about them must mean they do there thing instead of just talk about it unlike the calamari
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(S)He's in PIE. That's not CVA.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.18 18:33:00 -
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From what I understand, the Amarr had an advantage in FW due to there being existing Amarrian RP corps. Minmatar, on the other hand, has U'K an EM (both alliances, and thus not applicable for FW).
Once the coordination between the major Amarrian FW corps and assistance from corps/alliances outside of FW (read: CVA and friends) was gained, they had numbers and assets.
Minmatar, on the other hand, had to build their side from scratch. Oh, sure, U'K and EM sometimes provide support for the FW corps, but without experienced PvP'ers in the corps their assistance has largely gone to waste.
I think that one other thing has dogged the Minmatar FW'ers, and that is their continued 'alliance' with Heretic Militia, who seem to be continually leading around as 'allies' while pirating minnie FW people. Don't really get why people in the TLF tolerate them, but Heretics and the infighting they create practically represent a second front for the Minnie FW'ers. ----------------------------------------------
Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.05.18 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: crockett EXE
Originally by: Gin G
but IMO the amarr are the best as ive heard almost nothing about them must mean they do there thing instead of just talk about it unlike the calamari
umm go read the role playing forum.. They chest thump in there all the time..
i would rather not do that to many role players around
and if PIE isnt CVA you might want to look into getting into CVA you sound like the rght type for them
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Lokia Enroch
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:13:00 -
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PIE inc. is the founder of CVA. I have an alt in the FW for Matar vs Amarrian. Like many fights that do not rely on taking and holding ground. It's an elaborate dance of who can catch who with their pants down. If one is too heavy, then they cannot catch anyone smaller. If they are too small, they will be unable to keep the larger ships from jumping, or docking. The fact that the Heretics used to be in the militia means nothing. They have naps with some corps, and the the great TLF they are simply pirates since they cannot be set blue by the NPC corps. Besides, you join FW to shoot at people, more targets is rarely a bad thing.
And to be fair, while the 24th may have some CVA support, Star Faction has done the Republic a great service by countering the heavy support CVA might bring in by threatening it with their own forces.
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Snake O'Donell
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:50:00 -
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Well so far most of my time in Minnie/Amarr has been spent listening to people crying about the "tics". I think I have spent more time hearing people cry than anything else.
Ferocious FeAr > Heretics have been terrorising minmatar all day long Deryk Blacke > Mitch, when it comes to killing Tics - many of us, would even have the Goonies in here.... SplashDown > dude wtf you ganked jodie for trying to help militia get rid of heretics..thats messed up and we dun do that backstabbin crap Kazzzi > backstabbin? he shot a war target croakroach > tics were killing both amarr and minmatar so we went to kill them croakroach > dark rising didnt care and shot at the amarr BS fleet :) Ferocious FeAr > we formed up a fleet with gunship dip croakroach > so now they volunteered to remove tics frm amamake
OMG YOU GUYS THE TICS
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crockett EXE
Minmatar Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:06:00 -
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Amarr also get support from CVA and easy access to 00 ratting to pay for their BS blobs. Not to mention I've heard CVA helps support them via isk and likely lets some Amarr corps plant POS's out in providence.
Minmatar get support on the battle field from Star Fraction in the form of blue status and we have one or two other groups we are blue too. However these groups tend do their own things most of the time, but we don't easy 00 access or support like CVA gives Amarr.
It's a unfair advantage for the Amarr, but Minmatar still seem to do ok considering. However one can only hope CCP continues to keep the null sec alliances from joining FW, because it would really screw up the battle field if they ever let them in.
The average Militia pilots wouldn't be able to compete with the amount of ships null sec alliances could afford to throw away.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:22:00 -
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It's a unfair advantage for the Amarr,
Why? They are in a *war*, they use what they manage to put together to win. There's nothing forbidding a similar help coming off for Minnies if someone bothered to do it.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: crockett EXE Amarr also get support from CVA and easy access to 00 ratting to pay for their BS blobs. Not to mention I've heard CVA helps support them via isk and likely lets some Amarr corps plant POS's out in providence.
Minmatar get support on the battle field from Star Fraction in the form of blue status and we have one or two other groups we are blue too. However these groups tend do their own things most of the time, but we don't easy 00 access or support like CVA gives Amarr.
It's a unfair advantage for the Amarr, but Minmatar still seem to do ok considering. However one can only hope CCP continues to keep the null sec alliances from joining FW, because it would really screw up the battle field if they ever let them in.
The average Militia pilots wouldn't be able to compete with the amount of ships null sec alliances could afford to throw away.
You are wrong most of the amarr corporations in militia are not blue to the CVA. Only reason why CVA helps militia is that there are minmatars and Star Fraction around.
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda You are wrong most of the amarr corporations in militia are not blue to the CVA. Only reason why CVA helps militia is that there are minmatars and Star Fraction around.
To quote one of the ancient proverbs "And the Truth shall set you free".
CVA and Holders do NOT support the Amarr militia, this was publicly stated some time ago as they refocused their attention to the pirate scourge within Amarr borders, and rightly so. The only Providence presence in the area lately has been anti-SF/Pirate, so not directly related to the war.
Providence is as far as I am aware open for ratting to any pilot, provided said pilot has not committed acts of violence against the Empire and her assets, that naturally excludes the Minmatar Militia.
Bottom line; Amarr Militia members do not get any special treatment from the Providence residents and are subject to the same regulations as everyone else who visit Providence.
The propaganda emanating from within the Republic should not be taken at face value, indeed one should subject it to multiple sessions of critical scrutiny.
What you should ask yourselves is why Shakor is stifling public debate and has all but disbanded the Parliamnt. The true enemy of the Minmatar people is not to be found outside of the Republic.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:26:00 -
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What you should ask yourselves is why Shakor is stifling public debate and has all but disbanded the Parliamnt. The true enemy of the Minmatar people is not to be found outside of the Republic
please stop PLEASE i mean really PLEASE STOP IT with the RP crap please
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:04:00 -
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Heretic Nation continues to have diplomatic relations with some Corporations in the Minmatar Militia.
To put it bluntly every militia is 95% dross; derive from that what you will.
Heretic Nation does not fire on blues unless they initiate hostilities. If you believe one of our pilots to have been in error contact one of our diplomats, AFTER talking to your CEO and setting your own house in order.
Heretics is not a militia corporation, Heretic Nation is not an Alliance dedicated to FW. We do however take pleasure in crushing the gaudily clad coffins the Amarrian oppressor languishes in, even as your own Militia cowers in the bosom of Highsecurity space.
On a related aside Heretics has been amused and continues to be amused by the deeds and words of some in the Minmatar Militia for whom the insight that individuals deeply involved in the Amarr Militia have infiltrated and now bend them to the will of the Ammarian aggressor, has not been realized.
'There is a Stranger in your house'
What is more this stranger seeks to use the militia to their own end, in a somewhat farcical and emotionally compromised personal vendetta against Heretics.
Knowing is half the battle and Love is a battlefield~
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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Rovain Sess
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Posted - 2009.05.19 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Rovain Sess on 19/05/2009 12:34:29 Edited by: Rovain Sess on 19/05/2009 12:33:42 Tell you what - If u really wanna know - then come visit the front lines.
I'll give you my thoughts. The nature of the flict btween teh Amarr and teh Minmitards has changed. When I first started getting in fleets - we did alot of plexing (fighting at plex acel gates and in plexes) and roaming gangbangs.
Then frakkin Yars started camping in bigger plexes and ganking solo's (which is Eve). Then we statred roaming in bigger fleets and taking advantage of targets of op (we'd engage whenever we could - and if the tardo's didn't run)..
Gate camping was never huge in my FW experience - rather, locate, hold and smack em down. Then Several FW corps went postal - became mercs and or pirates and stared raping folks. In addition - SF joined and began war decing the more active Militia factions.
Lately its been their Carriers sitting under important stations and basically making life hell on anyone who wants to undock.
In addition - the minnies have just had another major corp sign on, and they are getting up large fleets. We also took down some POS's.. Which added a neat break from the norm.
All in all - it waz a blast - but lately its been increasingly frustrating... Im not complaining tho - cuz all is fair in love and EVE. If this isn't your experience thus far - so be it. I can only tell you what I saw and did..lol... I'll also say this - FW really teaches you skrimish warfare, and hit and run tactics...IMO
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.05.19 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo It's just FW, don't take it too seriously. Go shoot stuff.
Roleplaying in a video game is still playing a game. Same as not roleplaying in a video game. Some non-RP folks take stuff like killboard stats WAY too seriously. Some RP folks take the RP itself WAY too seriously. To assume that ALL RP folks take the entire game (or just FW, even) too seriously would be a mistake. Some people just want a little "flavor text" to go along with the pewpew to make it more interesting than simply "lol i pwn u," which by itself gets a little boring after a while.
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej <sage comment>
Indeed. The reason the genre even exists is peoples desire to "get away" by indulging in roleplaying. A full 50% of the genres name is dedicated to the RP aspect, if you get annoyed by RP then you made a poor choice of game. Without the MMORPG the "regular" multiplayer games would be the only social/online escapism .. personally never got into the whole FPS thing, too limited in scope, so I am content
I just wish that CCP would throw some more resources the RP'ers way. The occasional news item doesn't really do much .. hope springs eternal.
And yes Mitch, it is very much a matter of "getting on with it". The whole thing has turned into quite the grudge match, good fun for all involved I think
Spice is good, RP adds spice, hence RP is good. QED.
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Picado Pitviper
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.19 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rovain Sess Edited by: Rovain Sess on 19/05/2009 12:34:29 Edited by: Rovain Sess on 19/05/2009 12:33:42
In addition - the minnies have just had another major corp sign on, and they are getting up large fleets.
I wonder what Corp that was.......
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/05/2009 14:56:53
Originally by: Esna Pitoojee From what I understand, the Amarr had an advantage in FW due to there being existing Amarrian RP corps. Minmatar, on the other hand, has U'K an EM (both alliances, and thus not applicable for FW).
Once the coordination between the major Amarrian FW corps and assistance from corps/alliances outside of FW (read: CVA and friends) was gained, they had numbers and assets.
Minmatar, on the other hand, had to build their side from scratch. Oh, sure, U'K and EM sometimes provide support for the FW corps, but without experienced PvP'ers in the corps their assistance has largely gone to waste.
I think that one other thing has dogged the Minmatar FW'ers, and that is their continued 'alliance' with Heretic Militia, who seem to be continually leading around as 'allies' while pirating minnie FW people. Don't really get why people in the TLF tolerate them, but Heretics and the infighting they create practically represent a second front for the Minnie FW'ers.
An interesting version of events. However, the Mnnies got off to a decent start in FW, steam-rollering the Amarrians day after day and taking system after system.
Since then though, the Amarrians first stabilised things, and the recaptured all of their systems. As things stand, the Amarrians are a system up.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.19 14:55:00 -
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Minnie's seemed pretty uninterested in Plexing last i saw and took far greater interest in getting fights.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: BattleStar Crusader on 19/05/2009 16:00:39 Fights which they repeatedly lose, And a few station camps that turned on them and camped them into the station they were once camping.
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me bored
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: me bored on 19/05/2009 16:24:30 I've only been at it for a couple weeks but it seems pretty stagnant. The mini are fairly dominant but don't give a damn about plexing or conquering territory so they spend a lot of their time camping the main amarr hub. Now and then the amarrians will sally forth with a blob of their own to clear it out but they aren't that competent and usually require a significant numerical advantage before they feel brave enough.
Jericho are a load of station hugging blow hards who don't do much except play docking games while trash talking in local and I've never seen CVA in FW space.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/05/2009 16:45:26
Originally by: me bored Jericho are a load of station hugging blow hards who don't do much except play docking games while trash talking in local and I've never seen CVA in FW space.
Our war-record seems to disagree with you. What is true however is that we've decided to adapt our tactics to out-station-game the Amarrians and their legion of out of FW logistics alts. Its not glorious but we are in the process of purging Amarrian heavy ship presence from Kamela system and forcing the 24th Crusade to decentralize. If this continues to work then it'll aid our Matari allies by providing more bite-sized amarrian fleets to attack.
Course by "docking-games" I'm guessing you mean US outside the station repeatedly forcing Amarrians to dock / undock / dock / undock until one of them gets unlucky and instanuked at which point the rest stay sullenly trapped inside until we go to sleep.
I haven't ever seen a 24th Crusade fleet capable of suppressing US back into the station in 6 months of fighting.
But if you don't think we can fight away from stations at all then we invite more wardecs - allow us to educate you further
Of the CVA - best think of them as an on-tap hotdrop entity that can be called in by the 24th Crusade in any POS fight or capital engagement that lasts longer than 20 minutes.
Several 24th Crusade corps are prepared to sacrifice their own battleships and losses to the CVA KOS list to invite CVA capital intervention when they feel they need it.
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Opethian Obiri
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:45:00 -
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The Minmatar get zero support from Ushra'khan, extremely limited support (50 million isk a week as a plexing prize) from Electus Matari and blue status with Star Fraction, which leads to very, very rare help in fights, but that's it.
The Amarr generally win most fights, and the war in general, because the Minmatar lack decent fc's who actually have a clue. Most are completely incompetent, and I'm sure if you've ever fought on the Minmatar side you'll know who I'm thinking of in particular, *cough* nasty1 *cough*. To give the Amarr FC's their due, they are decent guys who know how to play and frequently out maneuvre the Minmatar. Also, I've found Amarr ships to just be all round better than the Minmatar equivalent once you progress past frigates, especially at BC and BS level.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/05/2009 14:56:53
An interesting version of events. However, the Mnnies got off to a decent start in FW, steam-rollering the Amarrians day after day and taking system after system.
Since then though, the Amarrians first stabilised things, and the recaptured all of their systems. As things stand, the Amarrians are a system up.
I attribute this to an odd side-effect of there being an existing command structure among the Amarrian corps at the start of FW:
PvPers, as an overall tendency, prefer to fly under FCs and with people they already know. Hence, at the start, the various Amarr FW corps had problems coordinating inter-corp efforts. Minmatar, on the other hand, could simply yell "X up for raiding blob!" and everyone would scramble. ----------------------------------------------
Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/05/2009 16:54:11
Originally by: Opethian Obiri The Minmatar get zero support from Ushra'khan, extremely limited support (50 million isk a week as a plexing prize) from Electus Matari and blue status with Star Fraction, which leads to very, very rare help in fights, but that's it.
The Amarr generally win most fights, and the war in general, because the Minmatar lack decent fc's who actually have a clue. Most are completely incompetent, and I'm sure if you've ever fought on the Minmatar side you'll know who I'm thinking of in particular, *cough* nasty1 *cough*. To give the Amarr FC's their due, they are decent guys who know how to play and frequently out maneuvre the Minmatar. Also, I've found Amarr ships to just be all round better than the Minmatar equivalent once you progress past frigates, especially at BC and BS level.
I think you are being overly harsh to the Minmatar side. They have many disadvantages in the form of spies and agent provocateurs - issues with pirates - infiltration and sabotage from the Amarrian bloc. Yet there are good corps and individuals in the Minmatar militia still trying hard to fight this war.
Plex mechanics currently favour the after down-time numbers the Amarrians can muster which typically means that the critical systems are secured early in the day before the Minmatar come to strength and pvp for its own sake is the only thing on the menu afterwards.
Also something few people outside the conflict realize is that the CVA is directly aiding the organization and administration of the 24th Crusade in the provision of forums, killboards, logistics and financial support and many alt characters from run of the mill complexers to fc's and organizers. This in addition to the overwhelming hot-drop capability that can be called in by the 24th Crusade to counter any Minmatar cap ship deployment.
This all adds up. And yet the Minmatar are still in the fight and generally win a decent number of battles and provide a fun environment for those pilots who can keep out of the political intrigues and external feuds that occassionally threaten to derail the whole organization.
I liken the whole thing to a resistance movement of idealistic freedom loving heroes opposing a well organized occupying power backed by a neighbouring superpower. 24th Crusade has numbers and fleet experience, spies and sabateurs, strategic weaponry and support pacts with its proxy master in Providence.
The Tribal Liberation Core has guts and will to fight.
I know which side I'm glad to help out!
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