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LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.21 10:52:00 - [1] For the upcoming fanfest, it will be possible to buy tickets for PLEXex. So now is the time to start buying them up. Before the week is over, I'm thinking that we will hit 400mill/PLEX. Thoughts? I found this to be EXTREMELY interesting. Mindblowing in fact, but it did make me kinda scared.
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2009.05.21 11:10:00 - [2] I see no point to this. If you can't afford the cash for a ticket to fanfest, you can't afford the trip to Iceland. If they start letting people trade PLEX in for plane tickets, hotel rooms, meals and bar tabs, then you'll have something. ----- Originally by: kedoremos EVE's economy is **** for CPAs, Annuities, and Stock Brokers.
Lecherito	Posted - 2009.05.21 11:14:00 - [3] Um, maybe I read it wrong (still sipping on my morning coffee). But I thought the point of the post was that players were able to pay for the fan faire ticket with plexes. Thus, someone with billions could essentially pay for his trip to Iceland with ISK, by buying plexes. If even a handful of individuals decide to do that, the situation does become a bit disturbing, as said individuals buying up all the plexes they can will invariably drive prices way up. Tell me if I missed something. -L
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.21 11:14:00 - [4] Originally by: SonO*host I see no point to this. If you can't afford the cash for a ticket to fanfest, you can't afford the trip to Iceland. If they start letting people trade PLEX in for plane tickets, hotel rooms, meals and bar tabs, then you'll have something. CCP gives beer and food tickets with every fanfest ticket
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.21 11:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Lecherito Um, maybe I read it wrong (still sipping on my morning coffee). But I thought the point of the post was that players were able to pay for the fan faire ticket with plexes. Thus, someone with billions could essentially pay for his trip to Iceland with ISK, by buying plexes. If even a handful of individuals decide to do that, the situation does become a bit disturbing, as said individuals buying up all the plexes they can will invariably drive prices way up. Tell me if I missed something. -L You basically save 80ish USD, by buying the ticket using PLEXes.
Raven Pox	Posted - 2009.05.21 12:33:00 - [6] This is glorious news!
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.21 12:41:00 - [7] OP is obviously a price manipulation attempt,
Raven Pox	Posted - 2009.05.21 12:45:00 - [8] Edited by: Raven Pox on 21/05/2009 12:46:06 Does it matter? For one he's not lieing, you can buy passes for plex and two even if it drives a bunch of people to start needlessly eating up plex passes it could only be good for a shrewd early investor. If you want the safe route, wait till the price rockets then buy a couple plexes with real money and sell those. At least you'll be getting a good return on your cash. When the price goes back down buy a few and put it back into your ingame time pool. In that way, you leverage your real cash over plex value instead of isk. I'd be willing to bet that's pretty safe. At least I plan on buying a few myself.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.21 12:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Joss Sparq OP is obviously a price manipulation attempt, I have never bought a PLEX, not for trading either.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.21 14:29:00 - [10] I find this very interesting. Now that in-game ISK can be redeemed for valuable out of game goods and services, how long until the tax collectors get interested in our in-game ISK generation? Still, I'm glad CCP agrees PLEXes need to be significantly more expensive and alts fewer and further between. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.21 14:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Clair Bear I find this very interesting. Now that in-game ISK can be redeemed for valuable out of game goods and services, how long until the tax collectors get interested in our in-game ISK generation? Exactly what I'm paranoid about, and have argued about on my blog before.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.05.21 14:59:00 - [12] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Clair Bear I find this very interesting. Now that in-game ISK can be redeemed for valuable out of game goods and services, how long until the tax collectors get interested in our in-game ISK generation? Exactly what I'm paranoid about, and have argued about on my blog before. the IRS has been looking into it for years already. There was an article in wired 99-00 maybe. The more specific interest they are in, is not necessarily the actual earnings of in game money, but the conversion of those monies into real world assets and cash and then back again into game money. Effectively creating a money exchange and having the possibility of speculation trading on those dollars. tl;dr they want to apply capital gains taxes to RMT, and gift/inheritance to RL item trading.
Attrezzo Pox Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.21 17:05:00 - [13] Obviously, there's not an easy answer to the tax question. More than likely we'll be looking at an internet tax at some point. Whereby you pay that tax to your service provider based on how much crap people bought online but didn't declare. As far as income. Until people are making thousands of dollars in a game online I don't think it'll be seriously persued. Until then I PLEX. ------------------------- PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!!
Attrezzo Pox Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.21 17:05:00 - [14] For the win of EVE, Gentlemen! Onward! ------------------------- PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!!
Zezzix	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:10:00 - [15] OP is late to the game. The price is already being manipulated upwards (note the 20 mill swing in buy order price over the last 4 days). I find it difficult to believe that many people actually make it to Iceland. I'm sure it's fun, but it's out of most people's price/time range, considering where Iceland is located. AND how many people would buy them for the trip? The average daily trade volume is approx 400 to 500 per day over the past week or so, with a normal volume only slightly lower than that. Even if 1000 people bought 3 or 4 plexes each, that's less than a week's volume of trade. If you weren't already on top of this two or three weeks ago, a brief spike in the market is not the right time to jump in. OP is clearly a price manipulator. Just not a good one. You should've been buying at 300 less than a month ago. I did and sold them all at 350 through 360. You can wait for the "top" of the market, but the chances are high you'll miss it. Don't get greedy. That's how you end up on the wrong side of a market swing.
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE Cult of War	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Zezzix OP is clearly a price manipulator. Just not a good one. The OP is clearly a member of the CSM and just looking to spark a discussion. Show some respect or at least a little intelligence.
Zhure	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Zezzix OP is clearly a price manipulator. Just not a good one. The OP is clearly a member of the CSM and just looking to spark a discussion. Show some respect or at least a little intelligence. And Zezzix is clearly someone hiding behind his 30 day alt. And Im sure LV doesnt need to make a topic like this to increase his more than healthy wallet if he is manipulating the PLEX market
Baillif	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:41:00 - [18] CCP is manipulating the PLEX market by pulling their PLEX for passes stunt. Should be interesting to see how long the PLEX rush lasts. Either that or that ****** that was buying T3 cruisers with PLEX's only to get them destroyed a day later finally decided to quit supplying us.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Zezzix OP is late to the game. The price is already being manipulated upwards (note the 20 mill swing in buy order price over the last 4 days). I find it difficult to believe that many people actually make it to Iceland. I'm sure it's fun, but it's out of most people's price/time range, considering where Iceland is located. AND how many people would buy them for the trip? The average daily trade volume is approx 400 to 500 per day over the past week or so, with a normal volume only slightly lower than that. Even if 1000 people bought 3 or 4 plexes each, that's less than a week's volume of trade. If you weren't already on top of this two or three weeks ago, a brief spike in the market is not the right time to jump in. OP is clearly a price manipulator. Just not a good one. You should've been buying at 300 less than a month ago. I did and sold them all at 350 through 360. You can wait for the "top" of the market, but the chances are high you'll miss it. Don't get greedy. That's how you end up on the wrong side of a market swing. If it can make you ever stop posting in MD again, I'll give my API key to any trusted auditor, who can then confirm that I have never bought a PLEX.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.21 19:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Baillif CCP is manipulating the PLEX market by pulling their PLEX for passes stunt. Actually, I think that you are damn right. Seeing as each you need 5 PLEX for 1 ticket, and they sell in bulks of 2 from CCP, then we must assume that each time somebody buys a fanfest ticket with PLEXes, there's 1 left-over PLEX which goes onto the market. Very smart indeed.
Zezzix	Posted - 2009.05.21 20:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Zezzix on 21/05/2009 20:12:14 LOL You are advocating buying and selling PLEXes during what you say will be a major market upswing, but you haven't bought any for yourself to sell? You're either incredibly stoopid (you're passing on the trades of a lifetime, right?) or you're talking out of your posterior because you aren't willing to take the risks you're advocating. {and besides, what does not having bought any plexes with this particular alt signify?} I'm not sure why you elected to say such a hurtful thing like "if it will keep you from posting again." Clearly you are a market mastermind whose every utterance must be given the weight and precedence of a papal bull (look it up). Is your bottom properly kissed o masterful one? I hope so, because the smell of your brilliant ideas leaking out from between your hairy cheeks is making me sick. edit: here's another thread to check out
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.21 21:46:00 - [22] Quote: You are advocating buying and selling PLEXes during what you say will be a major market upswing, but you haven't bought any for yourself to sell? You're either incredibly stoopid (you're passing on the trades of a lifetime, right?) or you're talking out of your posterior because you aren't willing to take the risks you're advocating. {and besides, what does not having bought any plexes with this particular alt signify?} Maybe because I'm not actually bothered about ISK in EVE anymore, because I got more interesting things to do, like the CSM. That's ignoring the fact that I hardly have time for any actual trading or anything in EVE, these days. Quote: I'm not sure why you elected to say such a hurtful thing like "if it will keep you from posting again." Clearly you are a market mastermind whose every utterance must be given the weight and precedence of a papal bull (look it up). unncessary - Mitnal To clearly make the point that you are just a troll. And you took my bait, by not picking up my offer, you clearly signals that you are nothing but a troll.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.22 01:15:00 - [23] Edited by: corestwo on 22/05/2009 01:15:03 Originally by: Zezzix {and besides, what does not having bought any plexes with this particular alt signify?} LVV is an alt? You're new here aren't you. For what its worth, prices did briefly hit 400m and then settled back down. ------------- Goonfleet Investment Banking - Bringing you the spoils of Delve! Search Corestwo and Goonfleet Investment Banking under "issued by" on contracts for the current item list!
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2009.05.22 01:28:00 - [24] Originally by: corestwo Edited by: corestwo on 22/05/2009 01:15:03 Originally by: Zezzix {and besides, what does not having bought any plexes with this particular alt signify?} LVV is an alt? You're new here aren't you. For what its worth, prices did briefly hit 400m and then settled back down. Confirming that LVV got into CSM on the platform of being an alt. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries	Posted - 2009.05.22 02:20:00 - [25] Ive heard that not only is Lvv an alt, but he is conTROLLing the whole morph, zydr and mega market and ofc all the PLEX'es but that was obvious ofc, since he is trying to manipulate the market by posting here in the MD.... Quote: The SCC-LOUNGE is now offering Secure Commerce Services @ www.scc-lounge.wordpress.com
Gabriel Rosencrantz	Posted - 2009.05.22 02:52:00 - [26] for what its worth, prices never hit 400 (according to market history at 0250 game time). flirted with 381 and now dropped to 371 with highest jita buy at 362.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.05.22 02:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz for what its worth, prices never hit 400 (according to market history at 0250 game time). flirted with 381 and now dropped to 371 with highest jita buy at 362. Actually as I stated in another thread, I got the ball rolling. The rest of you all took the bait and carried the momentum forward. PLEX was underpriced as of the start of this month and should settle in and around 350-370 for the rest of summer. That is until the next expansion and or fall surge when we'll see it back at 400+ Don't say I never gave anything back.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.22 03:17:00 - [28] No offense LVV, but you do post some ****ty threads in this forum =P
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.22 05:00:00 - [29] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Joss Sparq OP is obviously a price manipulation attempt, I have never bought a PLEX, not for trading either. Full API audit or it didn't (errr, did!) happen! Originally by: Selene D'Celeste No offense LVV, but you do post some ****ty threads in this forum =P His threads are fine, the problem is the posting in response ... ... wait,
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.22 06:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Joss Sparq Originally by: Selene D'Celeste No offense LVV, but you do post some ****ty threads in this forum =P His threads are fine, the problem is the posting in response ... ... wait, I play the forum the same way that I play poker. I go all in when I think people are bluffing.

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