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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 22:51:00 -
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Most of my PvP comes in low sec. I don't go to 0.0 because I have no business going there ATM. So lets look at low sec PvP for a second. A Pirates haven.
Currently if you want some sort of badge of honor for PvP that is quick and easy to see, you get a negative sec status. Look at you all bad and evil with your -10! You shoot anything and everything and don't care. You probably have a good deal of PvP experiance. You are a foe not to underestimate.
Fine thats good. I like that.
Oh who's this? a +5.0 character? You are not to be feared, you are most likely a carebear mission runner and the only reason you are here is because you need to pick up some items you bought in a station here, or you got a mission here and you are trying to run it without anyone bothering you. Maybe you are a bounty hunter, maybe you are an anti-pie but the odds are I am not afraid. You can't shoot first if I'm an "mild pirate" either (-4.9 through -0.1) without messing up your precious +5.0 sec status.
One thing that has always bothered me is how this game really encourages you to be a bad guy. Its cold and harsh I know, but isn't it a sandbox? Why do I not have some badge of PvP that shows pirates I mean business and I'm probably looking for him?
What are you talking about?
Going OVER +5.0 on sec status. I think you can right now. I have seen a few choice individuals go above 5.0 like to 5.2 etc and I heard it is from killing officer spawns in 0.0.
WHY OH WHY is going negative a result of PvP and going positive a result of PvE?
Why dont we have it this way. Once you get to 5.0 sec status (this could be any number positive the devs think is applicable) you now can get HIGHER sec status by killing outlaws. Every outlaw ship popped (not pod because pods are too difficult to get in low sec) grants you a certain percentage increase above 5.0. Maybe balance it so that it takes about as many outlaw ships killed to get to +10 as it does ship destructions to get to -10. If you manage to nab an outlaw pod? Give a bonus equivelant to killing a pod illegally in low sec that the pirates get.
I want to roll through low sec and have the pirates not look at me as a carebear (even though I like to do carebear activities a good chunk of my time, I like PvP a lot and love EvE's PvP system) but as a foe to consider as a challenge, one to look out for, not to laugh at.
I hate inconsitancies in any game and I feel sec status is a glaring one that should be addressed.
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Removal Tool
Eternal Perseverance
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Posted - 2009.05.23 22:54:00 -
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.05.23 22:55:00 -
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hi cat here
what about if pirates kill each other? seems exploitable to me lol
x visit my blog for my adventures
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 23:05:00 -
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Forgot to add that.
You only get a positve sec status bump for shotting or killing outlaws if your sec staus is positive.
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Packs Merlau
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.23 23:07:00 -
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tl;dr
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Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.23 23:26:00 -
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Misconceptions abound.
-10 =/= good pvper +5 =/= bad pvper
Ignorance is bliss. =================== Go Bucks! |
Wang Jing
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Posted - 2009.05.23 23:35:00 -
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As an outlaw myself, I fully agree that people with positive sec status should get sec increases for killing flashies. This is supposed to be a multiplayer game, and a PVP orientated one at that yet you are forced to PVE to increase sec status, a core mechanice of the game. Ridiculous.
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones Misconceptions abound.
-10 =/= good pvper +5 =/= bad pvper
Ignorance is bliss.
Ok so your post is a bit too short for me to understand exactly what you mean. I know we live in a TXT MSG world now but please expand on this.
Do you mean:
a) I have a misconception that sec status has some direct bearing on PvP ability? If thats the case you fail at reading comprehension and you should just never visit the forums again. I said it has a bearing on PvP EXPERIANCE. You HAVE to PvP to get a -10. You can never have shot a another player in your life and get a +5.0 (I'd like to see +10.0)
b) You like the fact that you can have a +5.0 and people underestimate you. if this is the case you do have a valid point but you should have to work at making yourself look differant then you are. It shouldn't be the default of the game if you are positive sec status because you like to be anti-pie
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wang Jing As an outlaw myself, I fully agree that people with positive sec status should get sec increases for killing flashies. This is supposed to be a multiplayer game, and a PVP orientated one at that yet you are forced to PVE to increase sec status, a core mechanice of the game. Ridiculous.
Thanks for the positive comment. Also I would like to add it makes no sense RP wise why CONCORD would increase my sec status for killing weak non-pod capsuleer ships (NPCs) then the strongest pirates in the galaxy, but not give me any sec increase if I manage to kill a Pod-Capsuleer (PC) ships, the tougher to fight and bring down.
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Thernys
Caldari Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.23 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora non-pod capsuleer ships (NPCs) ... Pod-Capsuleer (PC) ships
I laughed. Yay forums.
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Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.24 00:12:00 -
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I just looked at Battleclinic. Le sigh. =================== Go Bucks! |
Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.24 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones I just looked at Battleclinic. Le sigh.
What about it? What is your point? How is that relevent to this discussion?
There is an old saying in debate, "You already lost the debate when you start attacking the person and not the idea."
You fail.
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PieceOfMind
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.24 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
Originally by: Jones Bones I just looked at Battleclinic. Le sigh.
What about it? What is your point? How is that relevent to this discussion?
There is an old saying in debate, "You already lost the debate when you start attacking the person and not the idea."
You fail.
This is a really ironic post.
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.24 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: PieceOfMind
This is a really ironic post.
Explain
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:11:00 -
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The OP is not incorrect. EvE is first and foremost a pvp game, yet so many of the rewards are all based in pve.
Half the time I'm expecting CCP to announce the latest 25 man complex rather than bring EvE back to the game it was intended to be.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:46:00 -
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You're asking for a reward for PvP. That doesn't make sense. PvP is its own reward. If you can't see that then why are you PvPing? =================== Go Bucks! |
Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.05.24 06:01:00 -
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FYI: A good portion of "anti-pirates" also have negative sec status from engaging pirates who aren't outlaws in lowsec. That's what's meant by sec status having nothing to do with being the "good" or "bad" guy.
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Tvaishk Suzuki
Long Night Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.24 06:12:00 -
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I like this idea and the more I think about this now the more it makes seance, if anythny you could be onto something here on the direction the bounty system needs to go to eve get slightly fixed.
But yep I would love to see this implemented ingame, however I'm wondering what if you engage a negative sec in high sec? I could see you getting the scenario where you gank a -2 player and get the sec increase only to loose it as your killed by concord. ---
Lieutenant, Mixed Metaphor Appliance Man |
Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.24 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known FYI: A good portion of "anti-pirates" also have negative sec status from engaging pirates who aren't outlaws in lowsec. That's what's meant by sec status having nothing to do with being the "good" or "bad" guy.
If you shoot mild negative sec status guys you are breaking the law.. thats not an anti-pirate IMO
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.24 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 24/05/2009 06:35:09 nvm didnt read the quote fully.
Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
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Nouva MacGyver
Caldari MacGyver Communications
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Posted - 2009.05.24 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora I want to roll through low sec and have the pirates not look at me as a carebear (even though I like to do carebear activities a good chunk of my time, I like PvP a lot and love EvE's PvP system) but as a foe to consider as a challenge, one to look out for, not to laugh at.
Would this not in fact be an excellent strategy to misdirect those who would blindly evaluate yourself as incapable of emerging the victor due to your high security status? In a similarly opposite scenario, the same can be said of some others with a high negative sec status.
Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. - Sun Tzu
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Stormwatch Galactic Enforcers of Serenity
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 24/05/2009 07:14:19
Originally by: Jones Bones You're asking for a reward for PvP. That doesn't make sense. PvP is its own reward. If you can't see that then why are you PvPing?
The point is why is there a punishment for pvp while no rewards for it?
ps. Im perfectly aware of the taboo that is pvp rewards. But this current standings/concord system is not working very well.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:23:00 -
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It's like this, if you are a Pirate you are a criminal.
If you are an anti-pie you are a criminal.
It's just instead of the mugger you have become the vigilante. The law man still doesn't want you around.
The real issue is you want some way to tell people you are hardcore in PVP. Trust me, you don't want people to think you are hard core. You want them to underestimate you. You will get many more kills that way.
-Galan
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian The OP is not incorrect. EvE is first and foremost a pvp game, yet so many of the rewards are all based in pve.
Half the time I'm expecting CCP to announce the latest 25 man complex rather than bring EvE back to the game it was intended to be.
EVE is the game it was intended to be.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias It's like this, if you are a Pirate you are a criminal.
If you are an anti-pie you are a criminal.
It's just instead of the mugger you have become the vigilante. The law man still doesn't want you around.
The real issue is you want some way to tell people you are hardcore in PVP. Trust me, you don't want people to think you are hard core. You want them to underestimate you. You will get many more kills that way.
-Galan
Indeed. A +5 sec status is a pirates best friend. And yes its quite easy to hover around a high positive status when you do an extremely small bit of ratting between kills. Hell sometimes the targets find you! Just restrain yourself from podding too much and the clueless targets will promptly forget you in local with your obvious carebear credentials.
Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
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Lidirt
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones Misconceptions abound.
-10 =/= good pvper +5 =/= bad pvper
Ignorance is bliss.
I have many friends that are +5 and good PVPers. They just spent a long time in high sec before coming out to nullsec.
Just because you're a successful pirate doesn't necessarily mean you're a good PVPer. Same goes for successful PVE-types. It's hard to tell without actually flying with or against someone.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lidirt
Originally by: Jones Bones Misconceptions abound.
-10 =/= good pvper +5 =/= bad pvper
Ignorance is bliss.
I have many friends that are +5 and good PVPers. They just spent a long time in high sec before coming out to nullsec.
Just because you're a successful pirate doesn't necessarily mean you're a good PVPer. Same goes for successful PVE-types. It's hard to tell without actually flying with or against someone.
Heh you made the same mistake I did in my edited post above. What he is saying is that sec status has nothing to do with your pvp prowess.
Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.05.24 08:06:00 -
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Look, if you like pvp as much as you say, you should be happy with the system now. The bigger a carebear you look, the more comfortable us outlaws might be engaging you haphazardly. This means more fights, and potentially more kills, for you.
-K My sig don't fracking work. |
Lidirt
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.24 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Lidirt
Originally by: Jones Bones Misconceptions abound.
-10 =/= good pvper +5 =/= bad pvper
Ignorance is bliss.
I have many friends that are +5 and good PVPers. They just spent a long time in high sec before coming out to nullsec.
Just because you're a successful pirate doesn't necessarily mean you're a good PVPer. Same goes for successful PVE-types. It's hard to tell without actually flying with or against someone.
Heh you made the same mistake I did in my edited post above. What he is saying is that sec status has nothing to do with your pvp prowess.
I was just agreeing with Jones Bones with a little more information.
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Guilty Man
Minmatar Guilty People
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Posted - 2009.05.24 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known FYI: A good portion of "anti-pirates" also have negative sec status from engaging pirates who aren't outlaws in lowsec. That's what's meant by sec status having nothing to do with being the "good" or "bad" guy.
Never seen it. But I've seen alot of shooting according to KOS list (as CVA does). I mean, they engage everyone who is red to them and most part of them are not pirates, but members of large alliances.
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