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Zarak1 Kenpach1
R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:42:00 -
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its really time for you guys to fix these so that rolled tungs arent the best out there aside from syndicate plates.
just doesnt make any sense
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 08:30:44 T2 plates have allready more hp than rolled tungsten. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Aussie Hunter
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 08:30:44 T2 plates have allready more hp than rolled tungsten.
maybe check that ingame before rolling your eyes, cause you fail and the op is correct as t2 plates add greater mass to the ship with no extra hp.
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Distorted Perception
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:48:00 -
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Lots of meta 4 items are as good as t2 with better fittings.
The balancing factor here is cost. Or would you rather they nerf RT plates to be line with the LSE II - regolith relationship.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aussie Hunter maybe check that ingame before rolling your eyes, cause you fail and the op is correct as t2 plates add greater mass to the ship with no extra hp.
Rolled tungsten 50mm : 131 hp 100mm : 263 hp 200mm : 525 hp 400mm : 1050 hp 800mm : 2100 hp 1600mm : 4200 hp
T2 50mm : 131 hp 100mm : 263 hp 200mm : 528 hp 400mm : 1053 hp 800mm : 2103 hp 1600mm : 4200 hp
Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Demented Fury
Jita Garbage Collection LTD
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Demented Fury on 25/05/2009 09:27:13
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 08:30:44 T2 plates have allready more hp than rolled tungsten.
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Some comparison showing T2 does not, in fact, have more hp than RT (for modules that actually matter... 1600)
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 09:56:30
Originally by: Demented Fury Edited by: Demented Fury on 25/05/2009 09:27:13
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 08:30:44 T2 plates have allready more hp than rolled tungsten.
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Some comparison showing T2 does not, in fact, have more hp than RT (for modules that actually matter... 1600)
Well maybe you can't count or something. Half their modules have +3hp, which is crap i know and the others have same hp : in definitive they have more hp. I'm just telling that and I'm mathematicly right, that's all. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Oskar Kranzekian
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 09:56:30
Originally by: Demented Fury Edited by: Demented Fury on 25/05/2009 09:27:13
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 08:30:44 T2 plates have allready more hp than rolled tungsten.
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Some comparison showing T2 does not, in fact, have more hp than RT (for modules that actually matter... 1600)
Well maybe you can't count or something. Half their modules have +3hp, which is crap i know and the others have same hp : in definitive they have more hp. I'm just telling that and I'm mathematicly right, that's all.
Do the same thing for the weight of the plates. Maybe you will get it.
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Jade TX
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jade TX on 25/05/2009 10:20:55 Armor just needs a serious buff to be brought in line with shield tanks as in they need to be regenerative, or have no cpu or powergrid requirements, for god sakes its blocks of metal plating that require no power, and how do you offline a metal plate say on a M1 tank or a 1950's battleship of 2ft of steel? I don't see armor needing to be plugged into anything.
If your going to make it not regenerate atleast make it have a decent amount of HP. Shields are just so overpowered. A drake can get over 100,000hp and a 1000DPS tank. Armor can't do this, its about the same HP but no tank with say a myrmidon. Only buffered. You got plunty of people to point for you in a blob gate camp specially the warp disruptor bubbles so don't tell me about armor tanks have the advantage of ewar and such, because caldari can do the same thing only better. And for missions specially. Or for being neut proof.
Double hp on armor plates or take off the silly powergrid and cpu, it doesn't require power to run and I don't see computer chips on metal plates to make them armored in anyway on a tank. LOL Its bad enough it makes the ship as slow as a sail in every way. But thats the only realistic part about it. Maybe make the ships slower with more armor plates instead of giving 1600mm plates a 500PG and only large shields 150PG oh plus skills to lower the powergrid. Why does armor lack the skills shields get? Cus armor isn't the flagship tank of eve? It should have always been backwords. Shields should have a hugh power requirement compared to armor. Wile realistically armor should have no PG requirement at all much less cpu. I can understand for EANM for example or hardened but not a metal plate. Its a piece of metal!!! Where is the logic in that.
Where do I plug in my batteries on my body armor, it must requre CPU and PG to fuction or it won't stop a bullet if I don't power it up, cus its got metal armor plates in it.
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AppLeNaToR
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: AppLeNaToR on 25/05/2009 10:51:59 So you really want to say Shield tanking is better and more effective than armor tanking?
and btw to get your "why does it need CPU and Powergrid"
To give you a reason out of air.
CPU is needed because the Ship-computer needs to calculate the additional weight of the armor into the "movement" of the ship. (how many thrust needed to brake, how many thrust needed to accelerate turn rotate and so on)
The additional Powergrid need is because the Engines need more energy to get that freakin vessel moving.
(Those are just fictional reasons but well if he dosen't understand that balancing is done this way, he needs reasons why those requirements are there. And well, here they are) |
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:22:00 -
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Best answer? Because CCP Designed it so. |
Jade TX
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jade TX on 25/05/2009 11:31:12
Originally by: AppLeNaToR Edited by: AppLeNaToR on 25/05/2009 10:51:59 So you really want to say Shield tanking is better and more effective than armor tanking?
and btw to get your "why does it need CPU and Powergrid"
To give you a reason out of air.
CPU is needed because the Ship-computer needs to calculate the additional weight of the armor into the "movement" of the ship. (how many thrust needed to brake, how many thrust needed to accelerate turn rotate and so on)
The additional Powergrid need is because the Engines need more energy to get that freakin vessel moving.
(Those are just fictional reasons but well if he dosen't understand that balancing is done this way, he needs reasons why those requirements are there. And well, here they are)
There is no gravity therefor no weight in space. So your argument just out of air, your reason is invalid. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jade TX Edited by: Jade TX on 25/05/2009 11:31:12
Originally by: AppLeNaToR Edited by: AppLeNaToR on 25/05/2009 10:51:59 So you really want to say Shield tanking is better and more effective than armor tanking?
and btw to get your "why does it need CPU and Powergrid"
To give you a reason out of air.
CPU is needed because the Ship-computer needs to calculate the additional weight of the armor into the "movement" of the ship. (how many thrust needed to brake, how many thrust needed to accelerate turn rotate and so on)
The additional Powergrid need is because the Engines need more energy to get that freakin vessel moving.
(Those are just fictional reasons but well if he dosen't understand that balancing is done this way, he needs reasons why those requirements are there. And well, here they are)
There is no gravity therefor no weight in space. So your argument just out of air, your reason is invalid.
....Wow....
Just, like... Wow.
He's talking about Mass you know, right? The thing that decides how well an afterburner/mwd works, right? |
AppLeNaToR
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:07:00 -
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There may be no "weight" but the Mass is still there. And more Mass needs more Thrust to get moved to the same speed. Also more thrust to get it turning :) so still. More PG (engines need more power) and more CPU (CPU needs to calculate) :P
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Oskar Kranzekian
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 09:56:30
Originally by: Demented Fury Edited by: Demented Fury on 25/05/2009 09:27:13
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2009 08:30:44 T2 plates have allready more hp than rolled tungsten.
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Some comparison showing T2 does not, in fact, have more hp than RT (for modules that actually matter... 1600)
Well maybe you can't count or something. Half their modules have +3hp, which is crap i know and the others have same hp : in definitive they have more hp. I'm just telling that and I'm mathematicly right, that's all.
Do the same thing for the weight of the plates. Maybe you will get it.
Where did I spoke about mass ? |
Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: AppLeNaToR (Those are just fictional reasons but well if he dosen't understand that balancing is done this way, he needs reasons why those requirements are there. And well, here they are)
It could be computer removal to make room for armor. |
Mr morris
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:08:00 -
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The World is not balanced, Life is not balanced. Play the game and stop knitpicking. Mr Morris is sold in game on boyout offer. |
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