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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:50:00 -
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Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves... |
Sabrage
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:51:00 -
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no u |
Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 25/05/2009 12:52:12
I think a lot of it is down to forum culture. Rude arrogant self opinionated people tend to stick it out, where as a nice helpful player might get put off. Ergo, everyone still here is a bastard.
There are plenty of helpful people actually in the game. |
Imertu Solientai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Imertu Solientai on 25/05/2009 12:53:15 Please die (in game).
EDIT: Just to add a bit of content to my post - The reason people are like that is because there are so many posts complaining about the game and demanding that it is made easier/harder/safer/less fun/etc. People just get tired of all the crap posts. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life.
So... it's safe to assume, this is the FIRST forum of a MMO you've ever participated on, correct ?
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Imertu Solientai Edited by: Imertu Solientai on 25/05/2009 12:53:15 Please die (in game).
EDIT: Just to add a bit of content to my post - The reason people are like that is because there are so many posts complaining about the game and demanding that it is made easier/harder/safer/less fun/etc. People just get tired of all the crap posts.
isnt that what the forums are for? otherwise you would have no posts lol |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 25/05/2009 12:56:35
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life.
So... it's safe to assume, this is the FIRST forum of a MMO you've ever participated on, correct ?
not at all..but the point is probably 99% of posts are of just they type of thing i mentioned..have a look for yourself..hey its even on this post..like yourself |
Amael Galenus
Mighty Moshin Emo Rangers
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Amael Galenus on 25/05/2009 13:13:23 Edited by: Amael Galenus on 25/05/2009 13:00:42 What?
Edit: Is it really so surprising to find the forums going down the tubes & being full of internet 1337 kids when the focus of the game now seems to be on blobs, ganking & killboard padding? |
Vengal Seyhan
Minmatar Order of Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 25/05/2009 12:56:35
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life.
So... it's safe to assume, this is the FIRST forum of a MMO you've ever participated on, correct ?
not at all..but the point is probably 99% of posts are of just they type of thing i mentioned..have a look for yourself..hey its even on this post..like yourself
....Should I point out the irony of an ad hominem attack in a topic about arroagnace and rudeness? Forum posters are universally rude and arrogant, like yourself, Mr OP. |
AncientLord
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
I fully agree. |
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:06:00 -
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Most people I speak to in game avoid the forums like the plague due to the cesspool it has become.
I know several MMOs that do have mature forums such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, but those tend to be much better moderated, at least a lot stricter. No constructive content in post -> Delete. |
Chris Liath
Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:06:00 -
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Go away. |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Most people I speak to in game avoid the forums like the plague due to the cesspool it has become.
I know several MMOs that do have mature forums such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, but those tend to be much better moderated, at least a lot stricter. No constructive content in post -> Delete.
Hit the nail on the head there - lack of moderation.. |
AncientLord
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Most people I speak to in game avoid the forums like the plague due to the cesspool it has become.
I know several MMOs that do have mature forums such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, but those tend to be much better moderated, at least a lot stricter. No constructive content in post -> Delete.
I sing up for free moderator status and ban forum idiots ;). |
Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:13:00 -
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problem is alot of topics / questions come up so much people get annoyed who have seen them time and again.
And you ALWAYS get a few on any forum |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 25/05/2009 13:16:07
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
TBH "robust" replies to stupid threads are a valuable tool for maintaining community standards.
I mean here's the thing - the posts that get rude replies are probably fairly stupid.
The suggestions of which you speak have probably been suggested a couple of hundred times before and/or are probably horribly thought out.
The general stuff is probably shrill whining. There is so much QQing that people now make fake "I got my first battleship blown up by pirates" posts as trolls.
Maybe, just maybe, if people exercised some basic netiquette (remember that? Lets party like it's 1999) and tried reading for a bit before opening their big stupid pie hole people would be nicer to them.
tldr: Coming in here and ****ing on the carpet doesn't win you any friends. |
Longbow McFarris
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
I am guessing you have never been in the WoW forums then. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life.
So... it's safe to assume, this is the FIRST forum of a MMO you've ever participated on, correct ?
not at all..but the point is probably 99% of posts are of just they type of thing i mentioned..have a look for yourself..hey its even on this post..like yourself
If this is a fairly transparent flamebaiting/trolling ploy, I'll bite anyway.
What exactly DO you expect anyway ? How many moron new threads can you stand over the course of the years before finally snapping at the hundredth one you encounter in just one year ? How many "done to death" discussions can you post in before simply calling everybody who disagrees with reality on general principles or whatnot an idiot ?
There are people who ask something nicely, they get a nice response. See a typical example... you get somebody who was ganked in a hauler carrying most of his networth on him. He could come in here screaming "gah exploit rabble rabble game sucks blah fixitnowbecauseIpaidmoneytoplay etc". OBVIOUSLY, such a person will be flamed to hell and back. Now, take the same person, but with the least bit of decency. He might come in here and ask "is this normal ? what can I do to prevent that in the future?". This type of person will get replies telling him it's seldom newbies are so calm about it, and get hints as to how to tank his haulers and advice to do it in several trips and so on and so forth. Of course, the really good kind of people would have simply searched the forum first, and found the relevant advice even before he got ganked, so he DIDN'T get ganked in the first place.
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Agressive, rude morons get arrogant, unhelpful and rude replies. A lot of people that make their first thread (or one of the first threads) sadly fall under this category.
Many people do that since the "search" function is not that great, and they "fail at google" (or don't know a thing about eve-search.com, same story, different day.) If somebody opens up a discussion that has been resolved in another thread on the first page (or one of the first couple of pages), obviously he'll get arrogant, unhelpful and rude replies too. Most of the rest of the posters fall under this category.
Polite people of all intelectual ranges get helpful or joking replies, which may or may not be arrogant, depending on how intelligent the OP is perceived to be due to his actions. You have to look really hard to find such threads.
Is that clearer now ?
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Wild Rho
Amarr Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
Part of it is down to the same topics/complaints/demands/questions being posted time and time again regardless of the answers. After a while the people who would post something helpful just can't be bothered anymore so that leaves the field open to everyone else who are basically happy to just muck about in the thread until it gets boring or is locked.
Many of the questions that do get posted these days could easily be answered using Eve Search, for the complaints/demand type posts...well they're just asking for trouble anyway so meh. |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Edited by: TraininVain on 25/05/2009 13:16:07
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
TBH "robust" replies to stupid threads are a valuable tool for maintaining community standards.
I mean here's the thing - the posts that get rude replies are probably fairly stupid.
The suggestions of which you speak have probably been suggested a couple of hundred times before and/or are probably horribly thought out.
The general stuff is probably shrill whining. There is so much QQing that people now make fake "I got my first battleship blown up by pirates" posts as trolls.
Maybe, just maybe, if people exercised some basic netiquette (remember that? Lets party like it's 1999) and tried reading for a bit before opening their big stupid pie hole people would be nicer to them.
tldr: Coming in here and ****ing on the carpet doesn't win you any friends.
Seriously that was a steaming dump - you think i WANT to be friends with these people?? Really?? Errr NO! |
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
Part of it is down to the same topics/complaints/demands/questions being posted time and time again regardless of the answers. After a while the people who would post something helpful just can't be bothered anymore so that leaves the field open to everyone else who are basically happy to just muck about in the thread until it gets boring or is locked.
Many of the questions that do get posted these days could easily be answered using Eve Search, for the complaints/demand type posts...well they're just asking for trouble anyway so meh.
Might as well just reomve the forums then..seeing no one can post without getting abused...seriosuly though these forums have a serious lack of moderation. |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 25/05/2009 13:25:29 It's a figure of speech. For "Win you any friends" read "Not have everyone telling you to GET OUT".
Also, replying only to part of the post is a fairly obvious troll tactic
Srsly, the verbal abuse stupid people get on here is a form of moderation. |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem problem is alot of topics / questions come up so much people get annoyed who have seen them time and again
Having to use a third party website to search the forums isn't helping in that aspect though. |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Edited by: TraininVain on 25/05/2009 13:25:29 It's a figure of speech. For "Win you any friends" read "Not have everyone telling you to GET OUT".
Also, replying only to part of the post is a fairly obvious troll tactic
Srsly, the verbal abuse stupid people get on here is a form of moderation.
Ok fair enough..lol not at all dude i agreed with your other part..no comment needed.. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Might as well just reomve the forums then..seeing no one can post without getting abused...seriosuly though these forums have a serious lack of moderation.
The users are the moderation. The abuse to a SEEMINGLY benign post is usually a sign you said or did something really stupid. EVE-O forums - with just as much PVP as the game itself.
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life.
So... it's safe to assume, this is the FIRST forum of a MMO you've ever participated on, correct ?
not at all..but the point is probably 99% of posts are of just they type of thing i mentioned..have a look for yourself..hey its even on this post..like yourself
If this is a fairly transparent flamebaiting/trolling ploy, I'll bite anyway.
What exactly DO you expect anyway ? How many moron new threads can you stand over the course of the years before finally snapping at the hundredth one you encounter in just one year ? How many "done to death" discussions can you post in before simply calling everybody who disagrees with reality on general principles or whatnot an idiot ?
There are people who ask something nicely, they get a nice response. See a typical example... you get somebody who was ganked in a hauler carrying most of his networth on him. He could come in here screaming "gah exploit rabble rabble game sucks blah fixitnowbecauseIpaidmoneytoplay etc". OBVIOUSLY, such a person will be flamed to hell and back. Now, take the same person, but with the least bit of decency. He might come in here and ask "is this normal ? what can I do to prevent that in the future?". This type of person will get replies telling him it's seldom newbies are so calm about it, and get hints as to how to tank his haulers and advice to do it in several trips and so on and so forth. Of course, the really good kind of people would have simply searched the forum first, and found the relevant advice even before he got ganked, so he DIDN'T get ganked in the first place.
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Agressive, rude morons get arrogant, unhelpful and rude replies. A lot of people that make their first thread (or one of the first threads) sadly fall under this category.
Many people do that since the "search" function is not that great, and they "fail at google" (or don't know a thing about eve-search.com, same story, different day.) If somebody opens up a discussion that has been resolved in another thread on the first page (or one of the first couple of pages), obviously he'll get arrogant, unhelpful and rude replies too. Most of the rest of the posters fall under this category.
Polite people of all intelectual ranges get helpful or joking replies, which may or may not be arrogant, depending on how intelligent the OP is perceived to be due to his actions. You have to look really hard to find such threads.
Is that clearer now ?
So this gives you the god given right to be abusive? No does it hell..why cant you just ignore the post? Why feel the need to write stuff which is inappropriate? I agree the search function on the forums is terrible, but people have suggestions, like to talk about things (thats what a forum is a community to discussion). You cant flame people and be downright abusive cos they made a post you may have seen a few times..sorry dont wash... |
Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:31:00 -
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and proud of it... <3 |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Xtreem problem is alot of topics / questions come up so much people get annoyed who have seen them time and again
Having to use a third party website to search the forums isn't helping in that aspect though.
Yeah. Fair point. CCP should hire Chribba tbh.
Mind you, the same stuff comes up over and over on a fairly short cycle so if people spent any time reading they'd have some clue. |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 25/05/2009 13:36:35
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Might as well just reomve the forums then..seeing no one can post without getting abused...seriosuly though these forums have a serious lack of moderation.
The users are the moderation. The abuse to a SEEMINGLY benign post is usually a sign you said or did something really stupid. EVE-O forums - with just as much PVP as the game itself.
The users are not the moderation ,you saying telling people die, feckoff blah blah and being a abusive is moderation? How? People just ask for help sometimes or something are your still abusive to them... its not acceptable full stop...its like saying hey teenagers go beat that old guy up cos he dont like you jumping on his car!! but hey its a form of the street moderation so its ok...PLEASE!!! thats a disgusting comment to make..
just so you know the term of moderation
ModerationÆ is the practice of:
* facilitating online consultations to ensure that everyone can take part in discussion, get their views across and that the consultation meets its objectives; * maintaining the flow of the discussion by checking all posts in relation to the terms and conditions of the site. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:35:00 -
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We aim to please.
Also, it's hard not to be arrogant when you're the best… |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas The users are not the moderation ,you saying telling people die, feckoff blah blah and being a abusive is moderation? How?
You either stop posting out of shame, or quit the game altogether, or realize your mistakes and correct them. Either way, you were just moderated
Quote: People just ask for help sometimes or something are your still abusive to them...
Depends WHAT help and HOW they ask it. Show me one thread where the one asking for help was abused IN SPITE of him being reasonably polite and asking something that wouldn't be trivial to find (like, say, reading the stickies). Guess what, I could easily find several threads where the user asked for help nicely, and was given assistance even if it was a relatively trivial question. If anything, the general community is TOO helpful compared to the game itself.
Quote: its not acceptable full stop...its like saying hey teenagers go beat that old guy up cos he dont like you jumping on his car!! but hey its a form of the street moderation so its ok...PLEASE!!! thats a disgusting comment to make..
The game itself is much harsher. If you can't stand the verbal abuse to something stupid you did in the forums, how are you supposed to stand the verbal (and weapons-damage) abuse for ANYTHING you do that doesn't fit some other player's views (including but not limited to "you were in the same place I was and you're not my friend") ?!?
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Zaldoc
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:40:00 -
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I played a few MMO¦s over the past 10 years or so,and have to say this forum are not in the top 3 of those i visited in that time..But its not at the buttom eighter..
But like suggested many times it could use a search function,never really understood why there aren't any.
And it could use some moderation,to clean out most of the abuse/non constructive posts here..Shouldn't be any problem finding a few volunteers that would do it...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Also, it's hard not to be arrogant when you're the best…
Why, thank you, you too EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 25/05/2009 13:43:31
Originally by: Zaldoc I played a few MMO¦s over the past 10 years or so,and have to say this forum are not in the top 3 of those i visited in that time..But its not at the buttom eighter..
But like suggested many times it could use a search function,never really understood why there aren't any.
And it could use some moderation,to clean out most of the abuse/non constructive posts here..Shouldn't be any problem finding a few volunteers that would do it...
Agreed ,i think CCP could hire the players to moderate the forums im sure many would be up for it! Even for free...Myself included!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:45:00 -
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If they also include "stupid OP question" or "already answered in the stickies" or "topic done to death in the past, use search" and "this is a PVP game, live with it or leave it" thread closed reasons, yeah, sure, go right ahead, add as many moderators as you like.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 25/05/2009 13:43:31
Originally by: Zaldoc I played a few MMO¦s over the past 10 years or so,and have to say this forum are not in the top 3 of those i visited in that time..But its not at the buttom eighter..
But like suggested many times it could use a search function,never really understood why there aren't any.
And it could use some moderation,to clean out most of the abuse/non constructive posts here..Shouldn't be any problem finding a few volunteers that would do it...
Agreed ,i think CCP could hire the players to moderate the forums im sure many would be up for it! Even for free...Myself included!
And then they would abuse it to serve their ingame needs. We have been there, we're probably never ever getting back there.
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 25/05/2009 13:43:31
Originally by: Zaldoc I played a few MMO¦s over the past 10 years or so,and have to say this forum are not in the top 3 of those i visited in that time..But its not at the buttom eighter..
But like suggested many times it could use a search function,never really understood why there aren't any.
And it could use some moderation,to clean out most of the abuse/non constructive posts here..Shouldn't be any problem finding a few volunteers that would do it...
Agreed ,i think CCP could hire the players to moderate the forums im sure many would be up for it! Even for free...Myself included!
And then they would abuse it to serve their ingame needs. We have been there, we're probably never ever getting back there.
Ingame needs how? How can moderating a forum help you ingame ? OK dont use the players use real moderation staff then...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Ingame needs how? How can moderating a forum help you ingame ? OK dont use the players use real moderation staff then...
They HAVE moderation staff. When something is considered out of line, it gets moderated. There's also a "REPORT" button next to each post, if you feel that post is offensive, feel free to report it to the moderation team.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Leana Darkrider
Creatio -ex- nihilo
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:54:00 -
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I don't know which other MMO forums you're comparing with, but the EVE-O forums are quite helpfull.
note: it does matter how you ask for help.
If you're going to ask for simple answers because you're lazy to find them yourself, you'll get trolled. But if you ask your question, and it's clear you've done everything you can to find the answer but you just didn't found it, this community will help you without a doubt.
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AncientLord
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Ingame needs how? How can moderating a forum help you ingame ? OK dont use the players use real moderation staff then...
They HAVE moderation staff. When something is considered out of line, it gets moderated. There's also a "REPORT" button next to each post, if you feel that post is offensive, feel free to report it to the moderation team.
Report button dont work. Actualy it is seriusly not here.....
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/05/2009 14:06:13
Originally by: AncientLord Report button dont work. Actualy it is seriusly not here.....
Linkage
... if you don't see it, you might need to check if you're logged in. EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Leana Darkrider
Creatio -ex- nihilo
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: AncientLord Report button dont work. Actualy it is seriusly not here.....
Uhm, I can't see that "report" button Akita. you sure it's there
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AncientLord
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: AncientLord Report button dont work. Actualy it is seriusly not here.....
You didnt get my post
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: AncientLord You didnt get my post
Ah, you're saying, if YOU use it to report something, nothing happens, right ? Guess why that is ? Because the mods think you were wrong. I have succesfully used that button multiple times to get (a few extremely nasty) posts cleaned or (spam/nasty/whatever) threads locked in the past. So yeah, it's there, and it works. Just not for you when you want it to but you're not right about it
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:02:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: AncientLord You didnt get my post
Because the mods think you were wrong.
Or they just dont moderate....
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:03:00 -
[46]
I think he was being sarcastic. "Making a funny" if you will.
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AncientLord
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:03:00 -
[47]
Edited by: AncientLord on 25/05/2009 14:03:42
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: AncientLord You didnt get my post
Ah, you're saying, if YOU use it to report something, nothing happens, right ? Guess why that is ? Because the mods think you were wrong. I have succesfully used that button multiple times to get (a few extremely nasty) posts cleaned or (spam/nasty/whatever) threads locked in the past. So yeah, it's there, and it works. Just not for you when you want it to but you're not right about it
Unluckly this is the truth or are not here
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:04:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Akita T on 25/05/2009 14:05:21
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Or they just dont moderate....
/doublefacepalm
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Maria Kalista
Amarr Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:05:00 -
[49]
Just reported Akita' T's forum breaking image.
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Southern Suzy
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:05:00 -
[50]
@op
Glad to be of service So wait this is the end of my post allready?
I'm not in multiple alliances to spy! I'm in them so I'll always be on the winning team |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:06:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Maria Kalista Just reported Akita' T's forum breaking image.
Too late
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:15:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: AncientLord You didnt get my post
Because the mods think you were wrong.
Or they just dont moderate....
No. They moderate — I can attest to that.
So that kind of leaves the "you were wrong" explanation… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:27:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: AncientLord You didnt get my post
Because the mods think you were wrong.
Or they just dont moderate....
They do! Ie. i got banned for telling jokes about french ppl. Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe |
TR4D3R4LT
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:27:00 -
[54]
Has OP been sold over or what, as seriously I thought this to be another rant from fellow whose understanding of http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Session_change_timer and ability to read manual has promoted him to start general "rabble rabble forums suck because I got flamed" -topic. But it turns out it's 06 toon.
Dont get me wrong, you most likely have ragequit couple times as that's the only explanation I can use to convince myself that 06 toon doesnt know how to use eve-related search functions. Not to mention session timer, wiki.eveonline OR how the forum users have behaved for past forever. So putting that all to context to eyes of most forum users, you're grumpy old troll who got podkilled after failed to scout outside and are having rage out of it. Akita is spot on about well behaved questions receiving well behaved answers, apart from occasional "Hurr Durr" ones but those cant be helped anywhere.
P.S. This is you being moderated by community btw.
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:29:00 -
[55]
/me grabs some popcorn
By all means, continue! _
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:30:00 -
[56]
Originally by: TR4D3R4LT Has OP been sold over or what, as seriously I thought this to be another rant from fellow whose understanding of http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Session_change_timer and ability to read manual has promoted him to start general "rabble rabble forums suck because I got flamed" -topic. But it turns out it's 06 toon.
Dont get me wrong, you most likely have ragequit couple times as that's the only explanation I can use to convince myself that 06 toon doesnt know how to use eve-related search functions. Not to mention session timer, wiki.eveonline OR how the forum users have behaved for past forever. So putting that all to context to eyes of most forum users, you're grumpy old troll who got podkilled after failed to scout outside and are having rage out of it. Akita is spot on about well behaved questions receiving well behaved answers, apart from occasional "Hurr Durr" ones but those cant be helped anywhere.
P.S. This is you being moderated by community btw.
What are you on about? how sad are you? you went to check history do you have a life? what the hell as that post got to do with this..yet another abusive idiot..
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uzumoreru
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:31:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
You seem to be operating under the assumption that your opinion is in any way, shape or form valuable to us. It isn't. Don't get all offended by some words on a web page, it is a waste of effort, and furthermore, don't then cry about your affront to us. Cry to yourself, in the comfort of your own home.
There was a time once when people didn't initiate every thread as a whine for help, and actually offered their own solutions that they had tried to their problem, then couching their request politely, they appealed to the more knowledgable of the active forum community to help them.
Now they just post something along the lines of 'halp need <ship type> fit, give k thx bye'. We who have been posting from a position of knowledge are allowed to be brusque, when we have such an influx of incapable players.
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:32:00 -
[58]
Originally by: uzumoreru
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
You seem to be operating under the assumption that your opinion is in any way, shape or form valuable to us. It isn't. Don't get all offended by some words on a web page, it is a waste of effort, and furthermore, don't then cry about your affront to us. Cry to yourself, in the comfort of your own home.
There was a time once when people didn't initiate every thread as a whine for help, and actually offered their own solutions that they had tried to their problem, then couching their request politely, they appealed to the more knowledgable of the active forum community to help them.
Now they just post something along the lines of 'halp need <ship type> fit, give k thx bye'. We who have been posting from a position of knowledge are allowed to be brusque, when we have such an influx of incapable players.
nope as stated i myself will no longer put up with this abusive crap, so im making a stance.
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TR4D3R4LT
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:33:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas What are you on about? how sad are you? you went to check history do you have a life? what the hell as that post got to do with this..yet another abusive idiot.. im and alot of people are sick of people like you and no longer are going to put up with it...simple as....
*sniff* Personal attacks. *sniff* My rl life has nothing to do with this topic.
But seriously, have you been sold over or not?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:35:00 -
[60]
EVE is a harsh place, the forums reflect that. Anyone asking a good question in a decent form gets an answer - anyone else gets notice that they don't conform the the "good question in a decent form" standard.
FREE! jumpclone service - Now 416 locations! |
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:36:00 -
[61]
Great troll. Simultaneously brings out the griefer and defensiveness in everything; general enough to make the casual reader offended.
A++ would flame again. |
Corvin Demeter
Caldari Legio XII Fulminata
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:37:00 -
[62]
People form a psychological bond with any diversion that they spend a lot of time/cash on...football teams, games, etc...the problem with eve forums is that some players have developed the same psychological bond with eve that they have with their job, or even their family.
As an example...4 people lost their lives yesterday in Scotland and Northern Ireland because Rangers won the Scottish Premier League...eve fanbois are not at that level...yet. (And yes I know that the Rangers/Celtic football thing is a sectarian war by proxy).
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Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:41:00 -
[63]
This thread made me geek out. |
nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:46:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 25/05/2009 14:30:47
Originally by: TR4D3R4LT Has OP been sold over or what, as seriously I thought this to be another rant from fellow whose understanding of http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Session_change_timer and ability to read manual has promoted him to start general "rabble rabble forums suck because I got flamed" -topic. But it turns out it's 06 toon.
Dont get me wrong, you most likely have ragequit couple times as that's the only explanation I can use to convince myself that 06 toon doesnt know how to use eve-related search functions. Not to mention session timer, wiki.eveonline OR how the forum users have behaved for past forever. So putting that all to context to eyes of most forum users, you're grumpy old troll who got podkilled after failed to scout outside and are having rage out of it. Akita is spot on about well behaved questions receiving well behaved answers, apart from occasional "Hurr Durr" ones but those cant be helped anywhere.
P.S. This is you being moderated by community btw.
What are you on about? how sad are you? you went to check history do you have a life? what the hell as that post got to do with this..yet another abusive idiot.. im and alot of people are sick of people like you and no longer are going to put up with it...simple as....
Look in mirror genuis |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:47:00 -
[65]
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 25/05/2009 14:30:47
Originally by: TR4D3R4LT Has OP been sold over or what, as seriously I thought this to be another rant from fellow whose understanding of http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Session_change_timer and ability to read manual has promoted him to start general "rabble rabble forums suck because I got flamed" -topic. But it turns out it's 06 toon.
Dont get me wrong, you most likely have ragequit couple times as that's the only explanation I can use to convince myself that 06 toon doesnt know how to use eve-related search functions. Not to mention session timer, wiki.eveonline OR how the forum users have behaved for past forever. So putting that all to context to eyes of most forum users, you're grumpy old troll who got podkilled after failed to scout outside and are having rage out of it. Akita is spot on about well behaved questions receiving well behaved answers, apart from occasional "Hurr Durr" ones but those cant be helped anywhere.
P.S. This is you being moderated by community btw.
What are you on about? how sad are you? you went to check history do you have a life? what the hell as that post got to do with this..yet another abusive idiot.. im and alot of people are sick of people like you and no longer are going to put up with it...simple as....
Look in mirror genuis
thanks for the compliment ..... |
Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:49:00 -
[66]
however my post proves i was correct due to the posts in the thread...point made i think...but from now on ill report every post i think is abusive to any player on these forums...
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:50:00 -
[67]
Reported for wasting moderator teams time.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:50:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
I used to think we were pretty good at the rude-opinionated-arrogant think, but reading the darkfall forums made me realise that there is much work yet to be done. You stupid loser (doing my best here)
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:50:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas however my post proves i was correct due to the posts in the thread...point made i think...but from now on ill report every post i think is abusive to any player on these forums...
Have fun
FREE! jumpclone service - Now 416 locations! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:53:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas however my post proves i was correct due to the posts in the thread...point made i think...but from now on ill report every post i think is abusive to any player on these forums...
Reported for showing lack of respect, as mandated by the forum rules.
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:56:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas however my post proves i was correct due to the posts in the thread...point made i think...but from now on ill report every post i think is abusive to any player on these forums...
Reported for showing lack of respect, as mandated by the forum rules.
you deserve none...
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Oku Kee'lus
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:03:00 -
[72]
It's the nature of EVE that makes it so.
EVE has a steep learning curve and it is a living breating world that requires losers, for there to be winners, in almost every single activity that you can engage in (more people should learn how to win by having fun, even tho they're "losing" but that's another thread ).
Most people think they know how things work after a few weeks and then run to the forums to omgwtfwhine about how they got killed auto-piloting through low-sec and how the game shouldn't even allow you to go into low-sec the first 6 years.
People here get defensive, yes. They have every reason to tho. There's not a single MMO out there that hasn't been watered down to appeal to the broadest possible audience, except EVE.
EVE is a niche MMO. It is EVE exactly because it is a niche MMO, and it is thriving because it is EVE. Simple as that.
That's not to say EVE can't be made more appealing to players. CCP are working hard to ease people into the world of EVE and lower the barrier to entry, and they are doing well I think.
The problem is just that most new players who come here and complain/suggest/whine are either a) Not going to enjoy EVE in the long run unless it changes into something that the current player-base does not want, b) Not aware of the deeper impact their suggestions would have on a game that is almost 100% player-driven.
( ...oh yeah, and paragraphs, lots of people don't ****ing use paragraphs when they post crap. It ****es people off ).
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:06:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Oku Kee'lus It's the nature of EVE that makes it so.
EVE has a steep learning curve and it is a living breating world that requires losers, for there to be winners, in almost every single activity that you can engage in (more people should learn how to win by having fun, even tho they're "losing" but that's another thread ).
Most people think they know how things work after a few weeks and then run to the forums to omgwtfwhine about how they got killed auto-piloting through low-sec and how the game shouldn't even allow you to go into low-sec the first 6 years.
People here get defensive, yes. They have every reason to tho. There's not a single MMO out there that hasn't been watered down to appeal to the broadest possible audience, except EVE.
EVE is a niche MMO. It is EVE exactly because it is a niche MMO, and it is thriving because it is EVE. Simple as that.
That's not to say EVE can't be made more appealing to players. CCP are working hard to ease people into the world of EVE and lower the barrier to entry, and they are doing well I think.
The problem is just that most new players who come here and complain/suggest/whine are either a) Not going to enjoy EVE in the long run unless it changes into something that the current player-base does not want, b) Not aware of the deeper impact their suggestions would have on a game that is almost 100% player-driven.
( ...oh yeah, and paragraphs, lots of people don't ****ing use paragraphs when they post crap. It ****es people off ).
See a constructive informative post..wasnt difficult was it..thx... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Oku Kee'lus It's the nature of EVE that makes it so.
EVE has a steep learning curve and it is a living breating world that requires losers, for there to be winners, in almost every single activity that you can engage in (more people should learn how to win by having fun, even tho they're "losing" but that's another thread ).
Most people think they know how things work after a few weeks and then run to the forums to omgwtfwhine about how they got killed auto-piloting through low-sec and how the game shouldn't even allow you to go into low-sec the first 6 years.
People here get defensive, yes. They have every reason to tho. There's not a single MMO out there that hasn't been watered down to appeal to the broadest possible audience, except EVE.
EVE is a niche MMO. It is EVE exactly because it is a niche MMO, and it is thriving because it is EVE. Simple as that.
That's not to say EVE can't be made more appealing to players. CCP are working hard to ease people into the world of EVE and lower the barrier to entry, and they are doing well I think.
The problem is just that most new players who come here and complain/suggest/whine are either a) Not going to enjoy EVE in the long run unless it changes into something that the current player-base does not want, b) Not aware of the deeper impact their suggestions would have on a game that is almost 100% player-driven.
( ...oh yeah, and paragraphs, lots of people don't ****ing use paragraphs when they post crap. It ****es people off ).
See a constructive informative post..wasnt difficult was it..thx...
you deserve none...
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:20:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Oku Kee'lus It's the nature of EVE that makes it so.
EVE has a steep learning curve and it is a living breating world that requires losers, for there to be winners, in almost every single activity that you can engage in (more people should learn how to win by having fun, even tho they're "losing" but that's another thread ).
Most people think they know how things work after a few weeks and then run to the forums to omgwtfwhine about how they got killed auto-piloting through low-sec and how the game shouldn't even allow you to go into low-sec the first 6 years.
People here get defensive, yes. They have every reason to tho. There's not a single MMO out there that hasn't been watered down to appeal to the broadest possible audience, except EVE.
EVE is a niche MMO. It is EVE exactly because it is a niche MMO, and it is thriving because it is EVE. Simple as that.
That's not to say EVE can't be made more appealing to players. CCP are working hard to ease people into the world of EVE and lower the barrier to entry, and they are doing well I think.
The problem is just that most new players who come here and complain/suggest/whine are either a) Not going to enjoy EVE in the long run unless it changes into something that the current player-base does not want, b) Not aware of the deeper impact their suggestions would have on a game that is almost 100% player-driven.
( ...oh yeah, and paragraphs, lots of people don't ****ing use paragraphs when they post crap. It ****es people off ).
See a constructive informative post..wasnt difficult was it..thx...
you deserve none...
i see what you did there...
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Korrakas
Caldari Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:25:00 -
[76]
STFU and GTFO my damn GAME !
I HATE YOU !
/emowristcut
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't have holidays. I don't leave the forums unattended. I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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Lubomir Penev
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:40:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Most people I speak to in game avoid the forums like the plague due to the cesspool it has become.
I know several MMOs that do have mature forums such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, but those tend to be much better moderated, at least a lot stricter. No constructive content in post -> Delete.
Hit the nail on the head there - lack of moderation..
You'll be moderated for discussing moderation |
Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:43:00 -
[78]
INA (the old Unreal Tournament forums) was a little worse IMO. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:47:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Most people I speak to in game avoid the forums like the plague due to the cesspool it has become.
I know several MMOs that do have mature forums such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, but those tend to be much better moderated, at least a lot stricter. No constructive content in post -> Delete.
This from someone who calls people "sociopaths"....
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Rosefine
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:58:00 -
[80]
It would have been perfect for all in the forum if there was the possibility of blocking just the same as the EVE chat |
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Claudius Atropos
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:06:00 -
[81]
I totally agree with the OP. These forums are only marginally useful for any type of civil discussion, or heaven forbid a place to find factual information. You have to wade through so much nonsense to find the scattered bits of goodness that it's barely worth the trouble.
If CCP would actually moderate these forums things might change. Alas, it seems they're either unable/unwilling to do so. |
Kai V'laz
Advance Naval Guard
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:22:00 -
[82]
I see your point, but statistically, I suspect that the ratio of f#^k-tards to decent, helpful people is about exactly the same as in real life. I find that 90% of the people on Earth are morons, while 10% are okay. Eve forums have no more than 90% unhelpful trolls -- by my count. I like to think I'm one of the talented tenth. Good luck
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Dictum Factum
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:23:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Kai V'laz 90% of the people on Earth are morons,
You call?
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:24:00 -
[84]
Forum cesspool poster reporting in.
Dear OP. Quit eve and give me your stuff. Also, go whine in hello kitty online. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:28:00 -
[85]
"HAI I DONT KNOW WHAT A SESSION CHANGE IS SO AM GONNA MAKE A POAST ON TEH FORUMS SAYING HOW A PETITIONEDDED A GAME MECHANIC AND WASTE GM'S TIME LOLOLOLOLOLOLROFLCOPTER"
And yeah, deleting a topics title doesn't delete the thread. __________________
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:32:00 -
[86]
3 factors
1 Long term EVE players tend to be arrogant
2 Most stuff that is suggested is really a request for a self serving balance change
4 Forums are fun
BTW crai more OP
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:36:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed..
it's really a credit to CCP just how closely Eve models real life (if real life had starships etc).
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Darwin Duck
Ihatalo Navy Ihatalo Cartel Navy
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:40:00 -
[88]
I have to agree, it's a terrible community. But I think it's the vocal minority giving a worse impression than it really is. But reading the board you would think it's a bunch of spoiled brats posting. |
Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:51:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I know several MMOs that do have mature forums such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, but those tend to be much better moderated, at least a lot stricter. No constructive content in post -> Delete.
An interesting choice of example (or blatant lie, depending on spin), seeing as Guild Wars doesn't have official forums at all.
And to the OP: As others have suggested, the way a post is written has a huge influence on the kind of replies it will get. For example, contrast the following two ways to make a post about losing a lot of your total assets by flying an untanked Badger into lowsec:
Example A: WTF is wrong with people in this game??!!!??? Some griefer with no lif in his fat mothers basement violenced my boat. All my stuff blew up and now I only have an ibis. Ban him, he haxxored the gate in Rancer to kill me and I wasn't flagged for pvp.
Example B: Hi, new player here with a couple of questions. I had to move some stuff because I was switching to a better agent. I put all my stuff into a Badger, it fit in there with a couple of cargo expanders. I set my autopilot to system X, but flew manually since the autopilot puts you so far from the gate, which I think is a bit of a pain. Unfortunately, when I got to Rancer, a couple of guys in cruisers blew up my badger and I lost all my stuff. What can I do to avoid that happening?
The first one will be met with utter contempt. And rightfully so. It shows no attempt to understand the philosophy of the game, and an unhealthy dose of outrage at people using valid game mechanics.
The second version, while it will almost certainly still be met with some sarcastic replies, will equally certainly be met with instructions on how to use the map to avoid dangerous systems, setting the autopilot to stay in highsec when possibly, tanking a hauler, not putting all your eggs in one basket, and the golden rule of Eve: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Finally, due to the distribution of forum users in comparison to the general game population: Yes, you do get the loudest squeaking wheels here, that goes both for the "change this to suit me" crowd and the "you don't get Eve, go back to warcraft" crowd. The vast, silent majority just don't give a damn about the forums.
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Chris Liath
Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Most people I speak to in game avoid the forums like the plague due to the cesspool it has become.
I know several MMOs that do have mature forums such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, but those tend to be much better moderated, at least a lot stricter. No constructive content in post -> Delete.
Hit the nail on the head there - lack of moderation..
That should policy should also be in effect on the original post. No constructive content in post -> Delete. People get sick and tired of the same questions asked over and over because people don't have the willpower to search or browse. That's when flaming arise.
Kinda like this thread.
So go away.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Liath That should policy should also be in effect on the original post. No constructive content in post -> Delete. People get sick and tired of the same questions asked over and over because people don't have the willpower to search or browse. That's when flaming arise.
Kinda like this thread.
So go away.
The forum search here has never worked worth a damn, at least not well enough for people to actually use it. EVE-Search.com does it perfectly, but isn't pushed anywhere here except by other players, so how the **** is a new player supposed to just magically know to use it?
It does suck as someone who's been here since the beginning, to watch the forums circle the drain like they've been doing for years. This is why the constructive folks have just moved on.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 18:06:00 -
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it also mainly because many people cant hack eve so they tend to go to the forum to suggest stupid, game braking ideas that they like from other more popular MMO and fell every MMO should be a copy past of each other.
TBH you call it forums evil and stupid and arrogant but i say it compassion and love for this game that we hate all others that come with these stupid idea and try to change it to the mainstream.
also the game itself is hard to grasp, unfriendly enviroment where you arnt helped by your fellow man but the man standing next to you will exploit your need to gain the upper hand and take your wealth. Is it really surprising that you expected this community sit kindly while you suggest that "concord is weak" when it is yourself that were carrying the 10 billion worth in a paper thin ship. or shard the server so that everyone has a equal change.
life isnt fair and neither is this game.
this has been a post of great detail and no trolling from Armoured C, my forums are mine |
Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.05.25 18:08:00 -
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Yup, the moderation is appalling. I've recently reported threads where people were responding simply with "**** off", threads where players tell other players to die in real life, etc. and not one of them gets moderated.
Meanwhile, harmless, light-hearted threads get locked by the Gestapo. Go on then, do your worst. |
Sim Cognito
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Posted - 2009.05.25 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
HAHAHAHA....wait until you see the WoW community...people there will definetely surprise you |
Speaker Dead
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Posted - 2009.05.25 18:23:00 -
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Sorry, the goonies have been breeding...
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.25 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zaqar Yup, the moderation is appalling. I've recently reported threads where people were responding simply with "**** off", threads where players tell other players to die in real life, etc. and not one of them gets moderated.
Meanwhile, harmless, light-hearted threads get locked by the Gestapo. Go on then, do your worst.
Playing devil's advocate, I'm sure there's a gigantic queue for the moderation team to sift through. Half of those items are probably someone just disagreeing with someone instead of having an actual proper excuse for reporting a post.
I'm sure the obvious response someone will make to that is that they should just hire more staff. *shrug*
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Rosefine
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Posted - 2009.05.25 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rosefine It would have been perfect for all in the forum if there was the possibility of blocking just the same as the EVE chat
In Eve, there is a function of instant messaging called block
and it is such a relief and such there.
Why can not EVE's forum to be no block?
it would have been much nicer for everyone in all the roles in which
type trolls just want to be everywhere also pirates only to be amongst
pirates and carebearing with carebearing or type of civil with
civil and so on.
In Ambulation so talk CCP that you can choose your environment in the surrounding
but why not the same thing in the forum?
If the forum blocks existed as a forum thread had been completely different for everyone and those who want to see or interest.
One thread had become a thousand and a thousand had become one!
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Flauschig Katzchen
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Posted - 2009.05.25 19:19:00 -
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Greater Internet ****wad Theory
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.25 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
A forum is only as good as the moderating staff.
Enough said.
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Claudia Voltaire
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Posted - 2009.05.25 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Zaqar Yup, the moderation is appalling. I've recently reported threads where people were responding simply with "**** off", threads where players tell other players to die in real life, etc. and not one of them gets moderated.
Meanwhile, harmless, light-hearted threads get locked by the Gestapo. Go on then, do your worst.
Playing devil's advocate, I'm sure there's a gigantic queue for the moderation team to sift through. Half of those items are probably someone just disagreeing with someone instead of having an actual proper excuse for reporting a post.
I'm sure the obvious response someone will make to that is that they should just hire more staff. *shrug*
Thats a pure excuse, they wouldn't need more staff if they took a harsher stance against offenders.
By letting it roll the way they do, it only encourages more people to do the same.
Once you let it be known whats not acceptable, less crap gets posted, the forum community becomes self moderating in itself. I could point you to a number of forums where this is the case, the few that try to disrupt these forums are stomped on hard by the patrons of the forums, they simpley give up trying, the 'few' that don't are easy to weed out and remove by the small moderating teams.
The problem with this forum is the unacceptable is more the norm, why most people just don't bother with the board, they leave it alone knowing it's a thankless task asking for a fairer place. |
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Apotamkin
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Posted - 2009.05.25 23:16:00 -
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OP is right. This community is no different than WoW at all. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Apotamkin OP is right. This community is no different than WoW at all.
Except that we don't complain about WoW as much.
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Jernau Riggs
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Posted - 2009.05.26 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jernau Riggs on 26/05/2009 00:07:59 There are many of us that would like to see more strict moderation.
Many people spend their lives in this forum and as such think they own it so when a topic turns up that has been posted before they believe they are entitiled to dish that person.
These people need to learn that they do not own the forum and that other people are allowed post stuff here, just cause it has been posted before does not mean it cannot be posted again and a whole new batch of people will see it for the first time every time.
I would like to see ccp bring in new rules and rude comments in posts or can i have your stuff rubbish should get a 2 week posting ban from the forums, do it 3 times and you get a life time ban, that simple
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.05.26 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Most people I speak to in game avoid the forums like the plague due to the cesspool it has become.
I know several MMOs that do have mature forums such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, but those tend to be much better moderated, at least a lot stricter. No constructive content in post -> Delete.
Hit the nail on the head there - lack of moderation..
x2. Why did they get rid of all the voluntary moderators a few years ago anyway? I guess there must have been a good reason, but it never made any sense from my perspective. The forums have gone steadily down hill since then. Effective pro-active moderation makes for a better forum, but here, it doesn't seem to go much beyond suppressing potential bad press for ccp, and beyond that just responding to what is reported.
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 00:46:00 -
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Yet another thing we're the best at. Thanks. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Sharp Feather
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.26 01:07:00 -
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The problem is the moderation wich is way too permissive. =================================================
Before: creators loved games and made money. Now: creators love money and make games. |
Sharp Feather
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.26 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
A forum is only as good as the moderating staff.
Enough said.
Quoting for emphasis. =================================================
Before: creators loved games and made money. Now: creators love money and make games. |
Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2009.05.26 01:19:00 -
[108]
can I has your stuff?
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Sir Substance
Minmatar The Empire Nation Dead Mans Hand
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Posted - 2009.05.26 02:04:00 -
[109]
the forums are hilarious!
if you cant see the hilarity, then you shouldn't be here.
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PattonIsTehLeetPilot
Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 02:17:00 -
[110]
never played battlefield 2 did you?
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.26 02:54:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Sir Substance the forums are hilarious!
if you cant see the hilarity, then you shouldn't be here.
/signed _________________________ NERF CLONES!!!
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Spurty
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 03:00:00 -
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OP needs to invest some days reading CAOD.
Possibly miss reading ego as arrogance.
Good luck with your crusade. Not everyone in this game is a munchkin though, I consider some of the people that post on these forums very intelligent and able minded people.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Thus I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
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nails
Caldari Ota Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.26 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: nails on 26/05/2009 03:03:51 Trust me, these forums arn't bad at all, unless you come from fantasy forums with rainbows and unicorns. You want bad, you have to see 3rd party (unofficial) forums for planetside mmos. EVE might create alot of bloodlust and noob bashing, but the back end sense of general community is still there for the people that believe in the game. 3rd party forums are like slaughter houses for the most part, bar none mass noob bashing, and player ripping. Compared to that the EVE forums are candy land. I wouldn't worry about it so much. Every community has it's bad fish, the question is, why do you evem let those people get to you? --------------
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.05.26 03:05:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
Your thoughts and opinions are duly noted, and promptly ignored as irrelevant and worthless. WOW is HERE, don't let the door hit you in the assets on the way out! Oh and of course the obligatory:
Can I have your stuff?
~SB
In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Rick Rothsar
Black Rose Administration Black Rose Syndicate.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 03:14:00 -
[115]
lol
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.26 03:23:00 -
[116]
No the OP is correct. This game is worst then all the MMOs I have played. So at least MxO, DDO, and LOTRO. All MMO forums have arrogance but EVE forum community takes the cake.
Being rude to the OP of a stupid idea is all fine and dandy, but EvE's forum community trashes ANY idea and any valid complaint.
ANY AND ALL.
Which is really pointless. If you don't like someone's idea then post a reason WHY. Don't just tell them DIAF and they are a n00b.
Be constructive with your critisism and as positive as you can.
I remember when I played DDO the mods there cracked down and would slam the ban hammer on anyone who thought they could be a trash poster.
I really wish EvE's mods did the same. Just because the game is a sandbox doesn't mean the forums have to be too.
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EVEHelpisSeriousBusiness
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Posted - 2009.05.26 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
GB2WoW idiot. Die in a fire.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.05.26 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora ...stuff
Being rude to the OP of a stupid idea is all fine and dandy, but EvE's forum community trashes ANY idea and any valid complaint.
ANY AND ALL.
..more stuff
really?
Seems to me your idea didn't interest that many people, but the one that commented was supportive. I'm sure many would disagree with it though, but you did the right thing and posted in a correct forum, didn't try to ruin the game and weren't offencive in your post. The EVE community must have been on vacation, since the thrashing of your idea is missing from the thread.
I'm sure if you had posted in the general discussion forum the replies would have been more numerous and a little harsher. The nature of these forums are different, and here everyone can express their oppinion even when they don't really have a clue what they are talking about. Some just want to express their feelings on the issue instead of writing an analytic scientific essey on the matter. If you don't care what other players feel about the issue, don't post your ideas here. Posting in the features and ideas forum will filter out most of the trolls and flames, if your idea is even half decent.
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Jenny Twotone
Black Marsh X
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Posted - 2009.05.26 04:19:00 -
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As a former director of a new player friendly corp. I helped train hundreds of new pilots in eve to do their thing, whatever it was.
I encouraged an atmosphere of helpful nurturing growth and answered tens of thousands upon thousands of questions relating to every aspect of EVE. And I met a lot of people who do the same thing every day.
Open your mind and be an intelligent, critical thinking, adult, Instead of the petulant whining brat you sound like in your opening post, and you'll get a lot more help.
Welcome to EVE, where only the persistent and clever survive.
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Grampaa
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Posted - 2009.05.26 05:11:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
You never been to the Darkfall cesspit then?
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 06:51:00 -
[121]
Forums have gone to hell in a handbasket since CCP kicked CRC (volunteer mods) to the curb. Now it's just a small team paid to do it. Before there were a lot more of them to keep the crap posters in hand.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.26 08:05:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Sorry but its true..after reading alot of posts on the forums. Ive never see such arrogance, unhelpful, rude people in my entire gaming life. And it seems to be a growing breed.. Everyone who posts and yes everyone anything if its game changes, suggestions, or just general stuff, all you guys do (and there is a alot) is tell them to leave the game, get lost, idiots, tell them to die..Hardly any of you give constructive information or can actually have a conversation..Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves...
I can confirm this. Unfortunately. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night Yet another thing we're the best at. Thanks.
Sorry but we've got a long way to go before we're nastier than the DFO guys. |
Pilot Abilene
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.26 08:16:00 -
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EVE-O: "Producing internet tough guys since 2003" |
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