Pages: 1 2 :: [one page] |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Mykpilot
|
Posted - 2009.05.25 22:31:00 -
[1]
You've been assigned FC and been told you can take up to 20 pilots and whatever sub-cap ships you want. The cost of the ships has to be under 1 billion isk (based on approx empire space prices).
You are preparing for a conflict with another FC with the same restriction and you will be confined to a single system starting at a random point in the system.
How would pick the ships?
|
Turelus
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
|
Posted - 2009.05.25 22:53:00 -
[2]
20 rooks! try and see them shoot then :P
|
Anubis Xian
Reavers
|
Posted - 2009.05.25 23:18:00 -
[3]
Well, 20 Armageddons in an RR setup would fit. That would be a strong showing.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
|
Atreus Tac
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2009.05.25 23:20:00 -
[4]
Edited by: Atreus Tac on 25/05/2009 23:21:04 20 stealth bombers and just **** them off with bombing run and torp runs.
also 20 rooks for 1 bill i wish.
{edit} 20 geddons as well, i doubt it.
1bil/20=50mill __________________________________________________________
[16:54:07] Kopier Tante > if you got an mwd then your completly ****ed [16:54:34] Kopier Tante > you got no defence, no speed, nothing. |
EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
|
Posted - 2009.05.25 23:22:00 -
[5]
Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 25/05/2009 23:22:38 1 BILLION ISK 20 pilots
thats 50M each.. and people are talking about 20 rooks and 20 RR BS! I want to know where your buying your ships?
<edit> Just ninja'ed in there didn't you!
|
Anubis Xian
Reavers
|
Posted - 2009.05.25 23:24:00 -
[6]
Lol, 15 geddons and 5 Arbies is what I thought I posted...weird.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
|
Unfamed II
|
Posted - 2009.05.25 23:48:00 -
[7]
Interbus shuttle.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
|
Atreus Tac
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 00:04:00 -
[8]
get as many guardians as you can then fill the rest with plated thoraxes. lest say you get 9 guardians, they can beat that with 1bill.
or something like 15 kitsunes and 5 keres or inites (taranis). spend whats left getting intell on the other fleet and fit jammers accordingly __________________________________________________________
[16:54:07] Kopier Tante > if you got an mwd then your completly ****ed [16:54:34] Kopier Tante > you got no defence, no speed, nothing. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 01:39:00 -
[9]
20 slashers.
|
Information Broker
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 01:58:00 -
[10]
20 Velators ftw?
|
|
Jimmy Duce
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 02:16:00 -
[11]
The main problem is the 20 pilots... 3 black birds [ roughly 20 mill?] 4 RR BSs [Megas? Apocs? 800 mill?] [7 people 820 mill] 4 Executors [50 km armor rep is ur friend 30 mill] [11 people 850 mill] 150 mill left... 9 ships 5 caracals "sniper and sensor damps" [50 mill?] [16 people 900 mill] 4 people 100 mill left 1 myrm [unrigged but some RR and drone pew 50 mill] 3 people 50 mill left
meh 3 plated thoraxes
|
Dimitrios Ypsilanti
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 02:45:00 -
[12]
1x Sleipnir 1x Claymore 18x Hurricane
|
Dimitrios Ypsilanti
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 02:45:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 26/05/2009 02:45:54 Damned double post.
|
Hayaishi
Gallente Deus Imperiosus Acies
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 05:42:00 -
[14]
20 t2 rr plated myrmidons.
/thread
|
Arthello
Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 12:19:00 -
[15]
1bill isn't all that if you have to divide it by 20. I would go light&fast myself.
- +10 interceptors of which at least half is 28.8km tacklers. In case you run into some nasty stuff like heavy neuts. - 5 bombers where all are T2 torp fitted. Sometimes you need that extra range and with +80km you'll have a good chance to break off in case someone's intercepting you. Might even drop the mandatory target painter for a sensor disruptor (range scripted) in case a sniper decides to open up on you. - Recons for the rest. A couple of Falcons are lifesavers.
15-20 man gangs in mainly frig hulls are nasty. You can completely dictate your battlezone and with the recent bomber buff you got plenty of dps to take down just about anything, as long as the bomber pilots know what they're doing. With ceptors scrambling/webbing those torps will hit like freighttrains. If the enemy get reinforcements you just disengage and gtfo.
Cheap and very potent as long as you don't attack a similar sized HAC gang head-on. If you decide to engage use hit&run tactics.
|
Neacail
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 12:39:00 -
[16]
Edited by: Neacail on 26/05/2009 12:40:15 Well is it 1 bil initial cost or 1 bil after insurance? If the latter, 50 mil per person is more than enough to pay for 20 RR BS. If the former, any combination of T2 frigs. Or a fleet with a few recons and the rest SBs.
|
lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 13:26:00 -
[17]
1bil isk, 20 people, 40 ruptures, tons of fun
|
Atreus Tac
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 15:01:00 -
[18]
atm i cant see any that will beat my kitsune setup, yes some could just run (the inty ones) but other than that you will win __________________________________________________________
[16:54:07] Kopier Tante > if you got an mwd then your completly ****ed [16:54:34] Kopier Tante > you got no defence, no speed, nothing. |
Avious Tylepthine
Minmatar Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 17:05:00 -
[19]
1x Kronos 19x t1 frigates.
Why? because you can.
|
Aglarond
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 17:26:00 -
[20]
lol 15 interceptors and 5 stealth bombers :p Never underestimate the power of a fleet like this :p
This would be peticularly effective if you know the other FC likes bigger ships.
On a side note, I would really like to see a fleet of 20+ rooks one day.. Especially now that they can use drones Abandon hope for the Caldari Race.
It's always a bitter moment when something gets nerfed. Not because CCP decided something genuinely needed an adjustment, but because somewhere some whiner is g |
|
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 17:39:00 -
[21]
Take the 1 billion. ??? Profit! ---
|
IronGoldenEagle
Orchestrated Violence Tenth Legion
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 17:48:00 -
[22]
How? Well I would first whine that I had been pciked in the first place, whine that I was being set up to fail, whine at only 1 bil isk, cry on the channels for volunteers, spin a bottle, ask Evil Synns for advice, promptly disregard advice , fit 20 assault frigs, cry myself to sleep.
|
Neacail
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 17:56:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Neacail on 26/05/2009 17:56:33 How about 12-15 lachesis/huginns (they're cheap!) and 5 T2 frigs of choice (inties preferably)? Frigs do the initial tackle while the recons stay out of range by using damps and webs. Sure, damps suck, but not when 10 people are using them.
You're essentially immune to ECM due to high base sensor strength (only a few will get jammed and many cycles will be missed), anything frig or cruiser sized will die in seconds, BC and BS sized ships will get damped well below point/web range.
Of course this would be better with Arazus and Rapiers, but those are far more expensive.
|
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 18:05:00 -
[24]
Battlecruisers with some ECM support. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Esna Pitoojee
Amarr TalCorp Enterprises
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 18:43:00 -
[25]
20 Arbitrators, all launching large ECM drones and carrying ECMs in the mids. 2x medium remote reps in the highs, 2x lasers.
If you do manage to get a target, good luck doing enough damage to overwhelm the remote reppers.
But you ask, how am I blowing 50m ISK on each cruiser? Rigs, baby. Either CCC or Trimark armor. ----------------------------------------------
Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you.
My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 19:06:00 -
[26]
I'd buy a bunch of cheep fleet rifters.. Then pocket the rest of the isk.. I'm isk poor so that's what I'd do..
|
RedSplat
Heretic Army
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 19:33:00 -
[27]
19 1500 DPS + Gank Phoons and one covops for a warpin.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
|
Mutnin
Mutineers
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 19:44:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Mutnin on 26/05/2009 19:47:02
Originally by: Neacail Edited by: Neacail on 26/05/2009 17:56:33 How about 12-15 lachesis/huginns (they're cheap!) and 5 T2 frigs of choice (inties preferably)? Frigs do the initial tackle while the recons stay out of range by using damps and webs. Sure, damps suck, but not when 10 people are using them.
You're essentially immune to ECM due to high base sensor strength (only a few will get jammed and many cycles will be missed), anything frig or cruiser sized will die in seconds, BC and BS sized ships will get damped well below point/web range.
Of course this would be better with Arazus and Rapiers, but those are far more expensive.
Judging by the OP, I'd guess this would be a pre-planed brawl, so ships just for tackle would be a waste. You would want as much gank as possible and fleet members that understood what a primary is.
I'd then split the gang into two groups.. Each with their own primaries and the FC would be out of range in a command ship with with gang links.
|
Neacail
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 19:55:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 26/05/2009 19:47:02
Originally by: Neacail Edited by: Neacail on 26/05/2009 17:56:33 How about 12-15 lachesis/huginns (they're cheap!) and 5 T2 frigs of choice (inties preferably)? Frigs do the initial tackle while the recons stay out of range by using damps and webs. Sure, damps suck, but not when 10 people are using them.
You're essentially immune to ECM due to high base sensor strength (only a few will get jammed and many cycles will be missed), anything frig or cruiser sized will die in seconds, BC and BS sized ships will get damped well below point/web range.
Of course this would be better with Arazus and Rapiers, but those are far more expensive.
Judging by the OP, I'd guess this would be a pre-planed brawl, so ships just for tackle would be a waste. You would want as much gank as possible and fleet members that understood what a primary is.
I'd then split the gang into two groups.. Each with their own primaries and the FC would be out of range in a command ship with with gang links.
Oh yeah. I completely forgot about the terms established in the contents of the OP when I made my second post in this thread.
Given that, I would go with RedSplat's suggestion.
|
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 22:10:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Take the 1 billion. ??? Profit!
EVE ONLINE - so Hardcore we eat noodles with a spoon |
|
The Tzar
Malicious Intentions The Church.
|
Posted - 2009.05.26 23:55:00 -
[31]
Vanilla Roamer
1 x Broadsword 1 x Arazu 1 x Rapier 4 x Zealot
Because of falcon
20 x Blackbird
Lasers FTW
4 x Guardian 12 x Harbinger
__________________________________________
'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________ |
Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes Aggression.
|
Posted - 2009.05.27 08:44:00 -
[32]
Holy Missile Spam Batman - 20 HAMDrakes
I've got a bit of a one track mind --------------------------------------------
|
Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
|
Posted - 2009.05.27 10:39:00 -
[33]
1 hull tanking bait orca and 19 battlebarges/haulers
|
Ghoest
|
Posted - 2009.05.27 11:52:00 -
[34]
It depends how you calculate with respect to insurance.
The best move would as many tier one RR Battleships as possible and put the rest in battle cruisers.
You want maybe 4 rr scorps in the mix.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
|
Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
|
Posted - 2009.05.27 14:56:00 -
[35]
20 Thoraxes + ECM drones.
---
|
Jimmy Duce
|
Posted - 2009.05.27 15:09:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Heartstone 20 Thoraxes + ECM drones.
It's been done but still funny:D
|
Lee Dalton
Beyond Suppression
|
Posted - 2009.05.27 17:48:00 -
[37]
Including fittings? *** You're only as good as your last fight. |
Commander Yassir
The Seven Sins
|
Posted - 2009.05.27 21:49:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Hayaishi 20 t2 rr plated myrmidons.
/thread
I would probably run with this, be sure to pack warriors to chase down those kitsunes... ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
William DeMeo
Gallente Genos Occidere The Gurlstas Associates
|
Posted - 2009.05.28 03:25:00 -
[39]
20 taranis. Yarr |
Arthello
Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.
|
Posted - 2009.05.28 04:43:00 -
[40]
20 BS is not an optimal roaming gang.
1) Good luck catching anything that doesn't want to caught. 2) If it wants to be caught it's because it's gonna kill you. 3) If you can kill it, it will avoid your blob.
4) If you're boxed into a system you only got one choice; logoffski. 5) You're slow as hell meaning if you're engaged and want to run you're gonna loose a lot of ships. 6) Titan food. You'll have slim chances getting out of the bubble before some of the big players cyno in.
7) Most important you leave the tactical decision up to your faster and more agile opponent.
I'm a frig-hull pilot by heart and when we come across blobs like that we either just avoid them or first try to find out how noob they are. If they're noobs they usually make mistakes like bubble themselves, leave most of their gang on the wrong side of a gate,with aggro, or let us bubble their blob while we kill their bait ship. Either way they're going down one by another. If they start getting the upper hand you just leave. With big heavy ships you leave most of the tactical choices up to your opponent.
Frig-hulled ships are lethal in the right hands and if you come across someone who knows what they're doing they can't avoid you escaping. It's easier to PvP in cruiser-hulls granted, but as soon as the survivability increases point 1-3 comes into effect.
|
|
AZN Steve
Amarr
|
Posted - 2009.05.28 10:08:00 -
[41]
I'm gonna say 20 taranis aswell
5000 dps that can escape anything , but nothing can escape you . maybe go 10/10 stealthbomber taranis . so you get 7500 dps with the same effect
|
Huurag
|
Posted - 2009.05.28 11:27:00 -
[42]
Something like this: 6x RR Armageddon/Dominix - 420mil 6x Harbinger/hurricane - 300mil 3x blackbird - 30mil 3x guardian - 240mil 1x ECCM stabber of doom - 10mil 1x Celestis - 10mil (ECCM, damps, MWD)
This totals to 1.01b, cutting some more expensive mods here and there would make 1b easily. Prices include fittings (t2 guns, maybe t2 EANMs, rest cheapest available).
The idea is to have a strong RR core with some ECM and anti-ECM support. All ships, except guardians fit MWD, guardians fit AB. This setup should be able to give a good fight to just about any similarly sized fleet. While it's possible to build a similar lineup with just battleships, the BCs provide cover against smaller ships.
|
Space SUCCUBUS
|
Posted - 2009.05.28 12:24:00 -
[43]
Buy some BPO's for cruisers and 2 BC's and build your ships.
|
Real Poison
Minmatar Stormlord Battleforce Vanguard.
|
Posted - 2009.05.28 19:35:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Space SUCCUBUS Buy some BPO's for cruisers and 2 BC's and build your ships.
better:
buy as many ravens you can get and send these 20 pilots running level 4 missions in highsec instead of training for pvp.
then field 20 Faction fitted RR CNR's
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 :: [one page] |