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Pilot Abilene
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.27 11:29:00 -
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The beauty of lvl4s in high sec is that anyone can do them...well if your not too lazy to grind standings that is. It's not like only a certain group of people are allowed to do them lol. T1 loot should be removed to make it fair on the miners though, just drop the odd named items / tags. In a way I hope they do cave the the whiners as it will be interesting to see how bad it messes things up for a lot of ppl and maybe the game itself, who knows. I don't run lvl4s for the isk anyway as my mission runner is more of a standings addict so I don't care either way. Plenty of things to do in EVE without complaining about something else.
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Mr DXV
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Posted - 2009.05.27 11:42:00 -
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Making level 4 missions exclusive to low security systems would defeat the point of most level 4 missions; a chance to have fun, earn good money, and standing away from the chaos of PvP. I don't know about you but PvP wears me down after a while. High-sec level 4s offer a good break from PvP. That being said level 4 missions aren't really an easy way to make ISK. They can be tough, and take a while to finish. Grinding them will get very tedious after a while. I personally do no more than two level 4 missions a day. Making level 4s exclusive to low-sec would kill the game for a lot of players because level 4 misssions are the main reason they actually enjoy the game (even though the game is actually mostly about PvP), plus they know their PvE fitted ship stands no chance against a couple of PvP fitted pirates roaming in low security systems. I am not sure how CCP will ever change high-sec level 4s without actually completely ruining their appeal to people who like PvE.
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Zaldoc
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Posted - 2009.05.27 11:43:00 -
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Lol i laugh at all those wannabe pirates asking every time for lvl 4 nerf one way or another,while most of them have alts in high sec doing lvl 4 missions to fund their wannabe pirate habits..
Lets look at it.. Moving lvl 4¦s to lowsec..Will it benefit anyone...No...Eve economy will come to a halt,whit much less isk being produced. Well the macro miners will be happy,as mineral prices will go sky high because of much less minerals being produced from reprocessing loot..So the price on ships (yes the one you pirates gets blown up also) will go sky high aswell..
Not to mention the pirate in 0.0 space who just got lucky and get an officer spawn,witch before the move could easy net him 500+ million isk..Realizing that since the move no one will buy the stuff anymore,making it almost worthless.
CCP knows it will have a great impact on the game,to great to ever be implemented so just get over it and live whit it. Moving lvl 4 to low sec will not i repeat not give you anymore targets,as its not worth the risk to do it in low sec regardless of faction fit or not..And that wont change a bit if all lvl 4 agents got moved to low sec...Its not that hard to understand..
CCP also knows that one of Eve¦s strongest assets,is the fact that people can do what they want..So stop trying to talk them into pushing people out in 0.0 or low sec,its not gonna happen..Might aswell ask them to shot themselves in the foot.Eve is not a pure pvp game,and it never will be..If you cant live whit that,maybe its time you moved on..
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2009.05.27 11:47:00 -
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Here's what I find amusing about this thread.
I am, in my own words... "A filty piratw"
I have been running low sec level 4's to fund my pvp habbit for years. Yes they take a little more consentration that running missions in high sec but in my opinion its worth the effort.
I get approx 12k lp's per mission as aposed to the 2-3k my empire counterparts running for the same corp are getting. Turning the loyalty points into isk means i'm getting approx (including bounties) about 40-50mil per mission depending on mission.
Running 2 nighthawks thats about 150mil per hour when focused and getting good missions.
Stay in empire for all I care, if your too short sighted to see the rewards you probably better off playing another game anyway.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.27 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Abilene The beauty of lvl4s in high sec is that anyone can do them...
…which is also what makes them the baseline activity against which all other activities are judged, and which render many of those alternatives pointless.
Originally by: Zaldoc Lol i laugh at all those wannabe pirates asking every time for lvl 4 nerf one way or another,while most of them have alts in high sec doing lvl 4 missions to fund their wannabe pirate habits..
…which means that they know very well how profitable these missions are and therefore don't buy the nonsense "but it's not affecting the game/why are you bothering me when I'm doing my own thing" line of reasoning. In addition, in case that detail escaped you, your logic means they're actually trying to nerf themselves: they lose their source of easy income and will have less time to PvP. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Deran Francks
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.05.27 12:18:00 -
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Not sure what the argument is. Move level 4s to low sec because the mission runners are making too much money??? It's not like the people complaining want to do level 4s themselves. For big corps and alliances big money can be made from moon mining or large scale trade with little or no risk. If you're a lone guy you can pirate in low sec, rat or even do some L4s yourself. It seems the moaners are jealous that the folks wanting to grind L4s (which most non-mission runners consider boring and tedious) are making cash, rather than playing as the fish in a barrel, moving them out of Concord protection means the piwates can help themselves to the mission runner's loot?
Either way, it just sounds like sour grapes. Let those who mine, mine and those who want to mission run, mission run. Whatever way you try to manipulate the game to force them into low sec won't work. There's a large proportion of the player base who don't want to be pirated or ganked for giggles. Eve's a sandbox, they aren't hurting you, so I don't see your problem. Leave 'em to it and grow some.
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Elias West
RED SQUAD
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Posted - 2009.05.27 12:21:00 -
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why is there no risk in lvl 4`s in high ? its not true, everytime i run a mission with my alt i risk to drop dead in the front of my computer because of certain braindamage.
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Anubis Assassin
Caldari Three 6 MaFiA Dark Crystal Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.27 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Darzokun People Whine to much mission running is dull the money is ok but you can make more outside of high sec if your willing to take the risk.
The only people who care are the pirate`s who are just looking for more people to gank if it was to happen they would only then whine about level 3 missions or that a few mission runners gang up counter gank them.
I was going to respond, but this pretty much sums it up. --------------------------- I have to make my own sig break? WTF? These forums suck CCP, fix 'em or get something better... I'm tired of reading Khraunus' sig every single time I read one of his |
lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mr DXV Making level 4 missions exclusive to low security systems would defeat the point of most level 4 missions; a chance to have fun, earn good money, and standing away from the chaos of PvP. I don't know about you but PvP wears me down after a while. High-sec level 4s offer a good break from PvP. That being said level 4 missions aren't really an easy way to make ISK. They can be tough, and take a while to finish. Grinding them will get very tedious after a while. I personally do no more than two level 4 missions a day. Making level 4s exclusive to low-sec would kill the game for a lot of players because level 4 misssions are the main reason they actually enjoy the game (even though the game is actually mostly about PvP), plus they know their PvE fitted ship stands no chance against a couple of PvP fitted pirates roaming in low security systems. I am not sure how CCP will ever change high-sec level 4s without actually completely ruining their appeal to people who like PvE.
1. It depends on what your definition of 'fun' is I guess. Even you said it, running them gets tedious after a few. 2. Haven't run a mission in about a year, but from what I can see and hear from people who DO run them, they are exceedingly easy and can be done almost semi-afk. 3. I personally don't think moving them exclusively to lowsec is the solution. The problem is the unbalanced risk/reward ratio. Missions are not subject to competition from other players, they are basically unlimited isk sitting in space waiting to be collected. I'm using the word risk to encompass competition, effort, risk etc cos it would sound silly if i put those vs reward 4. True a PVE ship does not stand a chance against a PVP fitted ship, but activating a non-fitted module called 'Brain I' could potentially give 100% immunity to a PVE ship in lowsec. 5. What I find weird is that people choose to enjoy the crappiest and worst part of the game (PVE) as opposed to the best part of the game (PVP - not just ship to ship combat)
However I do agree that missions provide an alternative use for your guns besides PVP. The problem is, to some people it's the ONLY use of their guns Besides if I find I'm a bit sick of PVP, I just go do something else (ingame or out).
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fille Balle lol @ all you people thinking there's a problem with lvl4's. It was brought up at the CSM-CCP meeting, and CCP's response was: "we don't consider this a problem".
Regarding the age old ******ed argument about minerals from reprocessed modules:
1. It's not all mission loot, in fact, very small amounts of it is mission loot 2. The majority stems from drone loot 3. It does NOT affect the HIGH END minerals as much as the mid range minerals 4. Nullsec ores are barely affected 5. Not all mission runners loot 6. Hardly any of the minerals make it to the market, and thus it has no effect on the minerals market
Besides, if they're so profitable, what's preventing you from doing them? Is it because it's so boring? So you are proposing that somebody do something boring in a place that you can shoot them to make it more exciting for THEM? I don't know who you are trying to fool, but it's not certainly not me.
You being bored because there's not enough "juicy" targets stems from a completely different problem: people like you having too much time on your hands sitting idle in lowsec waiting for juicy targets to gank, and not having some sort of epiphany at some point.
ccp released statistics saying that 40% mineral market is from reprocesing loot, didnt you knwo that? Thats hardly any. L4s pay too much they are better than "crap" 0.0 systems about 4-5 times. Theyn need to be limited in highsec or even removed.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:06:00 -
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This definitely needs another thread.
Personally as someone far too lazy to team up with other people to do dull carebear **** I'm pretty happy with my easy soloable income.
The more time I have to spend on dull carebear **** the less time I have to pew pew. This is bad because pew pew is EVE's main redeeming feature.
I'm pretty happy with my targets having an income source too because it means I get to pew pew them.
I could only really imagine caring about this issue if I was a) an empire miner (or whatever else people do for ISK if they like playing a spreadsheet, ****ed if I know) b) in a serious business ****socking 0.0 alliance bitter about my serious business player owned space not paying out enough in relation to the risk (risk is a relative term if you're blue in NBSI space and know how to watch intel channels or have Bacon) or c) considered popping PvE fitted ships PvP.
Don't get me wrong, ganking lolfit PvE ships is funny is it's not all that satisfying in the long run.
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Darius Brinn
Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: logeoff now
Originally by: Titan Pilot CCP knows this idea will not work because PVE setups have no chance against roaming gangs. And this is their bread and butter.
SO? what this has to do with lvl4 profit? AFAIK hulks cant pvp at all... maybe give them 9000 dps and 10000 tank so they would be much safer in 0.0? Would this be reasonable for CCP?
If i understood you wrong then.. explain... maybe I just have no idea wtf are you talking about and im only assuming.. lol
I think what he meant is that in order to extract that amazing profit/hour our of Lvl4 missions, you need competent skills, a proper ship and a good fitting.
It is not possible to both run Lvl4's in low sec and be even remotely ready for a potential PvP situation. The "bring friends" argument is ridiculous with the rewards being what they are now. Nobody would run them, right?
If the game forces you to use a certain set of rules for mission running, and at the same time forces you to use a different set of rules for having the slightest chance at PvP, it's simply ridiculous to move the most interesting missions into low sec.
There are actually no problems with the game. Nothing needs fixing regarding Lvl4's.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:13:00 -
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I suppose you could put alternative PvE content in low secs that required PvP fitted ships and maybe gangs (is this what L5s are?) but really if you've got a gang of PvP fitted ships in low secs why would you bother?
See: FW.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldoc Lol i laugh at all those wannabe pirates asking every time for lvl 4 nerf one way or another,while most of them have alts in high sec doing lvl 4 missions to fund their wannabe pirate habits..
Erm yeah ok.
Originally by: Zaldoc Moving lvl 4¦s to lowsec..Will it benefit anyone...No...Eve economy will come to a halt,whit much less isk being produced. Well the macro miners will be happy,as mineral prices will go sky high because of much less minerals being produced from reprocessing loot..So the price on ships (yes the one you pirates gets blown up also) will go sky high aswell..
This would just go to show much the the eve econmy has shifted to become entirely dependant on missions. No one wants to mine, or do any other isk-generating activity, simply because level 4's are just a goldmine that. When the economy of a PVP game is based on a single PVE activity not subject to competition, you know there's something wrong.
Originally by: Zaldoc Not to mention the pirate in 0.0 space who just got lucky and get an officer spawn,witch before the move could easy net him 500+ million isk..Realizing that since the move no one will buy the stuff anymore,making it almost worthless.
Again, that pirate who 'got lucky' had to risk all that time he wasn't lucky to make sure he didn't lose his ships while he was ratting. Also, that faction/officer loot would need to be moved to places where they would sell, and unless the 'pirate' in 0.0 has a great logistic backbone, it represents an added element of risk. The reason why faction and officer mods are so highly priced now, is because of the rarity + demand. Mission runners feel it's worth it paying 3bil to fit out their mission ships, so the mods get sold at ridiculous prices because of that demand.
Originally by: Zaldoc CCP knows it will have a great impact on the game,to great to ever be implemented so just get over it and live whit it.
It WILL have a great impact on the game, for better or for worse is hard to say as of now.
Originally by: Zaldoc Moving lvl 4 to low sec will not i repeat not give you anymore targets,as its not worth the risk to do it in low sec regardless of faction fit or not..And that wont change a bit if all lvl 4 agents got moved to low sec...Its not that hard to understand..
Great, that means if you want the benefits of the income from level 4's you'll have to work together to make sure that the system is secure etc. Just like 0.0 ratting can be done 'safely' because other people have put in the effort to gain a system and secure it. Working/interacting with other players in an MMO, who'd thunk it?
Originally by: Zaldoc CCP also knows that one of Eve¦s strongest assets,is the fact that people can do what they want..So stop trying to talk them into pushing people out in 0.0 or low sec,its not gonna happen..Might aswell ask them to shot themselves in the foot.Eve is not a pure pvp game,and it never will be..If you cant live whit that,maybe its time you moved on..
I wouldn't presume to know what CCP want. Besides, CCP have stated many times over the years that they envision 0.0 to be the 'endgame' of eve. And lowsec should be the stepping stone for that. Unfortunately their implementations did not reflect this, meh
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Essence Praetor
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:16:00 -
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I am gonna say it . . .
I am sick to death of all you broke (or next to broke) PVP'ers whining about having no targets and no ISK. Some of us PVP'ers are rich as **** and have no problems finding targets with a little cunning and patients . . . .both of which are enjoyable aspects of the game. Both of which separate the skillful pilots from the sheep.
"Give me more helpless mission ships and make them go to lowsec, and/or be as broke as me is" -- is drivel.
Let the mission runners run their missions. Buff Mining and industry. Do this and you have a better economy and more faction mods falling off of spaceships. You have more people hopping into fail fit PVE/PVP ships and trying their hand at fail combat. Like right now for instance, you have multitudes of Tech III ships flying around before their prices drop with all kinds of mix and matched LOL blends of fits.
Yes I be raging
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Essence Praetor I am sick to death of all you broke (or next to broke) PVP'ers whining about having no targets and no ISK. Some of us PVP'ers are rich as **** and have no problems finding targets with a little cunning and patients . . . .both of which are enjoyable aspects of the game. Both of which separate the skillful pilots from the sheep.
Riiiiggghhhttt... cos ALL PVP'ers are broke, amirite? Also, post with your PVP character so we can see how easy you've been finding targets with your 'cunning and patience'. FYI: I don't mission run. The only thing I do when I logon is check my fittings, check my clone, undock and look for stuff to blow up. Have no problems replacing ships.
Originally by: Essence Praetor "Give me more helpless mission ships and make them go to lowsec, and/or be as broke as me is" -- is drivel.
I think the requests to nerf level 4's stem more from how they are broken in terms of risk/effort/competition etc vs reward, as opposed to no targets. If you can't see how unbalanced that is.. wel... forget it actually
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Anslo
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril Your abilit to read fails, ppl want them moved to lowsec because they are biggest income available in eve and they come without any risk.
And like th eOP said, that risk is you asshats ganking us L4 runners. He's right, it is just a sorry excuse to try to force easy kills into lowsec. If you want kills so bad, goto 0.0. L4's are staying right where they are, as I've said in other threads, carebears now control EVE. The majority of the player base won't allow any changes to L$ at all :)
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Anslo
Originally by: Valandril Your abilit to read fails, ppl want them moved to lowsec because they are biggest income available in eve and they come without any risk.
And like th eOP said, that risk is you asshats ganking us L4 runners. He's right, it is just a sorry excuse to try to force easy kills into lowsec. If you want kills so bad, goto 0.0. L4's are staying right where they are, as I've said in other threads, carebears now control EVE. The majority of the player base won't allow any changes to L$ at all :)
So as opposed to minimising risk by using intel channels formed by a bunch of lowsec mission runners, ensuring a decent presence and holding a system down, you just want it to remain in its current risk free state? I guess adapt or die doesn't apply to everyone.
Go to 0.0? Are you serious? LOL
Erm, your definition of 'control' is what exactly? The majority of the player base didn't want removal of ghost training, CCP went ahead and did it anyway (it was the right thing to do, just badly implemented). Shows up much 'control' players have over CCP's decision
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Sethris
Lone Gunmen
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shaun Klaroh Limit the number of Level IV missions given out by each agent X time per day.
For the sake of this example:
Level IV agent has a base rate of 20 missions per six hours. -> Pilot A takes one, 19 Available -> Pilot B takes one, 18 Available
So on, and so on till the "reset". The reset timer doesn't start until after that first mission is taken, and you can't know how many are actually available.
High-priority missions like Level IV's can't be completely ongoing in the same five systems. I mean.. Kruul can only build his brothel so many times a day, y'know.
Pros: ->Limits large "infinite supplies" of ISK. ->Provides for a competitive edge between mission runners. ->Provides a reason for mission running corporations to try and hold territory in hi-sec, thus spurring hi-sec PvP for PvE players. ->Allows for a fallback to Level III when out.
Cons: ->Artificially discourages a play-style. ->Reduces the value of mission running. ->May confuse new Level IV runners.
Another version of this suggestion:
Each agent has a fixed number of missions he/she can handle (not limited to 6hours or something like that). Or missionrunners if you want to see it like that. So once someone finishes a mission a slot opens up for anyone to take a new mission. Once all slots are filled, you have to wait your turn. Perhaps a semi-random cooldown period as well? 1 to 20minutes before the slot becomes available again.
Also let the highest quality agents have the lowest amount of missions they can handle. Say that a quality 20 agent can handle 10 simultaneous missions. A quality 10 - 20 missions. Quality 0 - 40 missions. Quality -20 - near infinite. Or have it be capped based on security rating of the system (agents in highest sec rated systems = stupid and slow :) ). 1.0 - 1 mission slot. 0.5 - 5 mission slots. 0.4 - 15 mission slots. ...Or a combination of the two.
In my naive view this would: Increase the pvp aspect of missioning. Increase "farming" of a good mission once you get it - i.e. not good. Push people from the current mission hubs.
With an adjustment of rewards in high-sec vs. low-sec i think this could be really interesting to see what happens to the mission hubs and mission grinders.
Just a thought...
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril Your abilit to read fails, ppl want them moved to lowsec because they are biggest income available in eve and they come without any risk.
This. This. And this.
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Essence Praetor
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle
Originally by: Essence Praetor I am sick to death of all you broke (or next to broke) PVP'ers whining about having no targets and no ISK. Some of us PVP'ers are rich as **** and have no problems finding targets with a little cunning and patients . . . .both of which are enjoyable aspects of the game. Both of which separate the skillful pilots from the sheep.
Riiiiggghhhttt... cos ALL PVP'ers are broke, amirite? Also, post with your PVP character so we can see how easy you've been finding targets with your 'cunning and patience'. FYI: I don't mission run. The only thing I do when I logon is check my fittings, check my clone, undock and look for stuff to blow up. Have no problems replacing ships.
Originally by: Essence Praetor "Give me more helpless mission ships and make them go to lowsec, and/or be as broke as me is" -- is drivel.
I think the requests to nerf level 4's stem more from how they are broken in terms of risk/effort/competition etc vs reward, as opposed to no targets. If you can't see how unbalanced that is.. wel... forget it actually
I say Bleh . . . me no dance for you.
I gather your one of the rich as **** PVP'er per fore mentioned. Read...
Ever considered that Lv 4 billionaires spend a mind numbingly obscene amount of time doing nothing but "Mining NPC's"
Lets say hypothetically:
Faction CNR's don't go to low sec to run the only LV 4's in eve (in a hypothetical future)
Then all of a sudden Hulks are making to much isk in empire with to little risk VS reward . . .
We must then whine about them to to balance it all out.
After the Hulks are forced to sit in front of roids for hours with targets on their backs, we must then also whine about Invention, trade, manufacturing . . .
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Essence Praetor
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Essence Praetor on 27/05/2009 13:43:24
Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr
Originally by: Valandril Your abilit to read fails, ppl want them moved to lowsec because they are biggest income available in eve and they come without any risk.
This. This. And this.
LV 5. LV 5. Ratting. Wormholes. LV 5.
And moon mining . . .
You too . . .
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 27/05/2009 13:42:09 Highsec also suits players who don't want to massage your ego for you. They just want to come in, modify some database records, increase some integer values and access something they couldn't previously access.
They don't even care that you think you're pro.
And neither do CCP. They care about MONEY. CASH MONEY DOLLAR. And if they can create a database access program so damm hard to use they can sell it as a game then good for them.
But if you really need to believe that CCP are going to give up good income to stroke your schlong, then by all means keep on beating the drum.
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Jackson Grey
Caldari Dark Wheel Industries Gemini Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:50:00 -
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As a 'casual' gamer I don't have the time nor the inclination to compete with the PvP Pirates out in 0.4 and below. Yes I have been out there and every time (with the exception of twice when I killed a stupid pirate and then ran back to Empire) I have been sent packing back to the clone bay. I do level 4 missions, some mining and I have done faction warfare (which amounted to a whole lot of hanging around waiting while 2 large groups ships try and engage each other - I got bored) and that is enough for me. Maybe I will get the PvP bug but ganking people just for the fun of making their lives miserable just don't do it for me.
If you want to encourage more people to go out into 0.4 then make those missions better. It will be then up to the player base if they go or not.
As stated above (by lollerwaffle)'It depends on what your definition of 'fun' is I guess.'. Yes it does and I am having fun. This game is 100% PvP but empire space is so that people who chose not to PvP don't have to. Don't say 'go play something else if you don't like PvP' , 1 why should I and 2 what else is there to play that's like Eve.
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Anslo
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle
So as opposed to minimising risk by using intel channels formed by a bunch of lowsec mission runners, ensuring a decent presence and holding a system down, you just want it to remain in its current risk free state? I guess adapt or die doesn't apply to everyone.
People like you really amuse me, attempting to look analytical by examining every part of a quote :). And yes I do think it should stay that way. Why? Because as other people have said on here, large infusions of isk into the economy are keeping things are a relatively low price. Kill that, prices are high, **** sucks.
Originally by: lollerwaffle Go to 0.0? Are you serious? LOL
Yes, I am. You pvpers like to pvp, we missioners like to mission. Let us play our way, you play yours.
Originally by: lollerwaffle Erm, your definition of 'control' is what exactly? The majority of the player base didn't want removal of ghost training, CCP went ahead and did it anyway (it was the right thing to do, just badly implemented). Shows up much 'control' players have over CCP's decision
By majority I mean the 40 odd thousand carebears and their alts paying for this game with cash. Cash is more important to a company than people, it always is no matter what the company says. I'm not blaming CCP for this. They're a company, they're job is to bring in revenue for their investors and themselves. A change like this to L4 will destroy the game, as most people stay in highsec. 3/4 of the people will leave, income will drop dramatically and CCP will be doomed. They know this, thus no changes.
I don't care if L4's have no risk, no one else does. If you're jealous oh well, if you're poor oh well, if you're mad about not enough kills oh well. I like ****ing you and every other lowsec dweller off like this :) I have more isk than you ever will, more ships than you ever will and what I chooe to do with them is my business. Don't tell me what to do with my money, my free time and my game time. Whether I want to pvp or enjoy a disco abaddon, it's my choice. Now shoo peasant. I must polish have my servants polish my Bhaalgorn.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.27 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Essence Praetor I gather your one of the rich as **** PVP'er per fore mentioned.
My wallet hovers between 150mil to 250mil at any given time. I find loot+ransom+some light plexing gives me the income i need to replace a couple of 100mil losses everyweek or 2. Also, I don't lose a lot of ships so maybe that helps.
Originally by: Essence Praetor Ever considered that Lv 4 billionaires spend a mind numbingly obscene amount of time doing nothing but "Mining NPC's"
That's 'mining unlimited isk not subject to any competition'
Originally by: Essence Praetor Faction CNR's don't go to low sec to run the only LV 4's in eve (in a hypothetical future)
Personally I think it's a waste of a sexy ship to use it on NPC's. I'm a great admirer of people flying faction BS in PVP, as IMO it's what they were meant for. Not running missions all day long. Also, faction BS get more targets <3
Originally by: Essence Praetor Then all of a sudden Hulks are making to much isk in empire with to little risk VS reward . . .
Mining is subject to competition from other miners (see above re mining unlimited isk), check the previous week's whine thread about empty belts etc. Hulks can also be, and are often suicide ganked, whether for lulz or for profit.
Originally by: Essence Praetor We must then whine about them to to balance it all out.
One thing I've learned is that people will whine about everything. That being said, arguing that some aspect of the game is broken, has been proven to be effective (see: speed nerf, falcon etc <- although I couldn't really care less either way if they changed it, I just get on with it anyway since it means evolution of tactics)
Originally by: Essence Praetor After the Hulks are forced to sit in front of roids for hours with targets on their backs, we must then also whine about Invention, trade, manufacturing . . .
IMO the Hulk was designed to be a mining ship capable of operating in hostile/dangerous waters. Thhe ability to fit a good tank, coupled with some t2 medium drones means the hulk is able to withstand a certain amount of firepower (from belt rats etc). It's just that people in hisec are able to use them in a way where they don't fit any tank and have as much cargohold as possible. Both equally viable ways of using the ship. All the other non-combat PVP activities you mentioned are subject to competition and as such have been balanced and rebalanced by CCP. Mission running afaik is the only activity in game which is not subject to the same rules governing everything else.
<- c wut i did there?
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.27 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Essence Praetor Edited by: Essence Praetor on 27/05/2009 13:43:24
Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr
Originally by: Valandril Your abilit to read fails, ppl want them moved to lowsec because they are biggest income available in eve and they come without any risk.
This. This. And this.
LV 5. LV 5. Ratting. Wormholes. LV 5.
And moon mining . . .
You too . . .
level 5s are in lowsec level 5s are in lowsec some more Elaborate how ratting is without risks. AFAIK, hisec rats are basically worthless, lowsec and nullsec means there's a chance you'll get popped. Wormholes: Did you not see the whole whine/cry threads about how wormholes are the new pirate playgrounds and how CCP made it unfair for carebears with regards to wormholes? Again, level 5s are in lowsec Bolded for clarity. Also, barring a super tanked nighthawk, they often require a gang to complete, thus putting more ships at risk and splitting the rewards between a gang.
Constantly calling someone without providing any valuable insights just mean you really really really HARD.
Also, it doesn't take much of a brain to just call someone without any real substance... oh wait... nvm I see
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Matrix Skye
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.27 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Actually, the main argument is that ôL4s in high-sec make too much and there is no way to attack that revenue streamö ù at least from those who actually have an argument. That's why the other activities are irrelevant ù all of them can be attacked, disrupted or just plain old stolen in some way.
It's the fact that this one particular activity cannot be affected from the outside, yet it is allowed to massively affect the rest of the game that bothers people.
This is BS. L4 missions in hi sec CAN be disrupted. You can declare war on them. Now now. I know what your next response will be since I've come to expect circular reasoning from forum warriors. You love taking logic for a spin round and round in circles.
"I can't war dec if they're in an NPC corp!1!"
Then your issue isn't with L4 missions. It's with NPC corps. Go make a thread on how NPC corps aren't war-deccable (I know that isn't a word).
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.27 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Darius Brinn Forcing people into Lowsec does not work.
Increase 0.0 ratting rewards. Increase the profits of mining. Entice people to move to other riskier/more boring (but needed) activities. Those are reasonable ideas.
Asking CCP to move lvl4s to low security is just a flow of pirate tears asking for targets not fitted to shoot back.
A better idea would probably be to make L4s competetive and thus PvP:able (as in "I take your business", not the 'splo-you-up kind of PvP).
Care to show how you can disrupt my trading business?
You can try to disrupt everyone trading business at the same time, but you have no way to target me.
Almost the same for mining. You can try to push me out of a system (attacking me with suicide ships) but you can't block me from mining.
As I can easily spawn mining roids with missions or find them with exploration you have no way to bar me from mining.
So "I will take away your business" is a false statement.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.27 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
ccp released statistics saying that 40% mineral market is from reprocesing loot, didnt you knwo that? Thats hardly any. L4s pay too much they are better than "crap" 0.0 systems about 4-5 times. Theyn need to be limited in highsec or even removed.
CCP releasea a ! day snapshot of reprocessing stuff (included mineral compression items and ship sold under building cost). Something that is very different from a "statistic".
Note that the snapshot in question include 1% of morphite as produced from reprocessing "loot".
Can you point to me what T1 module include morphite in his building materials?
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