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Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:42:00 -
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This game is a lot easier then it was back in 2003. There may not be that many walkthroughts (if any) for this game but there is a lot of information provided for the new player. All it takes to get that information is to read the forums here and else where (just like one would have to do for other games).
If you had read the forums you would have found programs called EVEMON and EFT (Eve Fitting Tool). One program is used to set up your training skills and the other is for setting up your ships. But, you don't know how to use those programs? Get on the forums and ask. Find other forums that have info on how to fit a ship. Find a group of players who have a clue on how to do things in game. Don't contact me and ask to join my corp cause after you join I will blow your ship up and pod you just for the laughs.
The thing I like about this game (one of the things anyway) is the fact that everything is not handed to you on a silver platter. You actually need to think about a few things to get anywhere. And I like that I can play a couple hours a night and still have fun because I do not have to be on line to train stuff.
I started playing in 2003 with a different character. I bought a Rupture and a Stabber before I left (played for 6 months). I came back in 2006 and was embarrassed with that character and my ship fits. We didn't have EVEMON back then so my skills were all over the place. And what I had on that Rupture was just awful. One was that I had mixed weapon types (arty and AC) on those ships. I then read these forums and other sites and got a good idea of what I had done wrong and started over.
I got bored with WoW after about a year and a half (it takes a lot to get me bored). I will hit the three year mark for this game come August and I am still not bored with this game. And I can't fly anything bigger then a Battleship. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Chebchelios
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tuscun Nebular Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/05/2009 16:45:59Then as I went on I realized that it's just too complicated, confusing, and just too time consuming.
How long have you been playing for, if I may ask?
I've just started the EVE adventure, I turned my free 14-days trial into a paying account a couple of days ago, and between the few hours spent having fun with character creation, the time browsing through forums and the like to make sure the game was for me, and, well, real life, I can't say I've played this game very much. Still I don't feel it's nearly as complex as yo describe it. I found the tutorial missions rather well done (if not exactly thrilling), the skill/certificate system quite intuitive, and the few things that did not seem to make sense relatively easy to figure out given the extensive amount of information available online. I do expect things to get more complicated as I keep playing, but as of now I have a hard time believing the learning curve is as steep as a lot of people make it sound.
As for being time-consuming, especially compared to a WoW, I couldn't disagree more. I get to gain experience while working during the day, and if I can't find time to play for whatever reason at night, I can still log in for a few minutes, figure out what skill(s) I need to get/upgrade next, update my skill queue and log off. Like I mentioned my experience in the game is far from extensive, so I might be dead wrong on many accounts. But so far I feel like the game is particularly versatile in the sense that you don't have to play a whole lot in order to get your character to progress. Especially with the PLEX system which, still in my opinion, is very much adapted to working people (who have more money than they have time, as opposed to kids or students as you suggested) who can get ISKs without the need to grind for them for hours.
I'd suggest you keep trying for a little while. Your comment about the game being time-consuming in particular really leads me to believe you might have rushed a few steps: this really is a game that you can make as little time-consuming as you want it to be.
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Tuscun Nebular
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Beovylf
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/05/2009 16:45:59 Too bad because it as a good story line. (Space adventure) the term used loosely
This is hilarious. Newsflash... EVE is a SPACE ADVENTURE.
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For the most part the developers made this game for space enthusiasts with no room of simplification to new commers!
It's a typo error ****head!
What the F is a commer? Is that some slang term for commie?
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Janya Rykayn
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:06:00 -
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If you don't like Eve, maybe one idea would be to find a game that you do like.
The reasons that you give for not liking Eve are the same reasons that I DO like Eve. I don't like other mmorps because they're too linear and spoonfed. Eve is a complex dynamic system. Even just the economic simulation is fascinating.
It's interesting that there aren't many people in Eve who are like you. Most seem to be intelligent.
Don't waste your money on something you don't like!!
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K'Daai
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:08:00 -
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Hi, I'm 23 and I play Eve. I have two jobs and I am pursuing a Master degree in AI.
You fail at understanding this game and it's target audience miserably.
Can I have your stuff?
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Tuscun Nebular
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal This game is a lot easier then it was back in 2003. There may not be that many walkthroughts (if any) for this game but there is a lot of information provided for the new player. All it takes to get that information is to read the forums here and else where (just like one would have to do for other games).
If you had read the forums you would have found programs called EVEMON and EFT (Eve Fitting Tool). One program is used to set up your training skills and the other is for setting up your ships. But, you don't know how to use those programs? Get on the forums and ask. Find other forums that have info on how to fit a ship. Find a group of players who have a clue on how to do things in game. Don't contact me and ask to join my corp cause after you join I will blow your ship up and pod you just for the laughs. YEAH! I looked up those out of game tools in the forums as you said, and there's nothing but compatibility problems and running issues. Why should I have to spend countless hours reading forums from other players? The program should be set up where a person isn't intimidated by te game,. A persons first experiance should be pleasant and fun, then as you go further into the game, it becomes more challenging. also, The thing I like about this game (one of the things anyway) is the fact that everything is not handed to you on a silver platter. You actually need to think about a few things to get anywhere. And I like that I can play a couple hours a night and still have fun because I do not have to be on line to train stuff.
I started playing in 2003 with a different character. I bought a Rupture and a Stabber before I left (played for 6 months). I came back in 2006 and was embarrassed with that character and my ship fits. We didn't have EVEMON back then so my skills were all over the place. And what I had on that Rupture was just awful. One was that I had mixed weapon types (arty and AC) on those ships. I then read these forums and other sites and got a good idea of what I had done wrong and started over.
I got bored with WoW after about a year and a half (it takes a lot to get me bored). I will hit the three year mark for this game come August and I am still not bored with this game. And I can't fly anything bigger then a Battleship.
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JeanMichel Bizarre
The Golden Apple Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: JeanMichel Bizarre on 28/05/2009 20:51:54 Edited by: JeanMichel Bizarre on 28/05/2009 20:51:06 I've been playing EVE since around mid march and if at first I loved it I was in your very situation not more than a few days ago but I have quite easily overcome it and I am loving it again. Every second of it.
I have found that setting personal goals (short and mid term) that you can achieve with relative ease makes the game infinitely more enjoyable. For instance, I have recently found great pleasure in exploration. I started training a few skills, bought a probe and went exploring. I found a worm-hole today, and a hidden dead-space pocket with dozens of high-bounty (like 3 million a piece for some of them) npc rats which I couldn't kill as the biggest ship I can fly atm is a cruiser. None-the-less, it was all great fun.
I'll also quote a bit of text that I think should make you think things over a bit.
Quote: 'Most newbies think that a terrible grind is required in EVE because newbies are 'powerless', or because other MMOs insist that you hit wolves with a sword for hours on end before you can level up. The greatest thing about EVE is that you are able to think yourself out of almost any situation; your best weapon is your mind, and you're putting your wits against other humans, rather than pixelated monsters. While in the Bad Old Days, the deck was stacked against the newbie, in this day and age the only thing holding back a newbie is a lack of imagination, daring, or cunning.'
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maddmaxx III
Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: maddmaxx III on 28/05/2009 20:58:26
To the op,
lol your first mistake was mentioning wow, in these forums that will get you nothing but flames. Oh and CCP dose not give a ****.
good luck with whatever you choose, you should however give eve another chance, it dose not have to be as time consuming as you think, in fact eve is a great game for casual mmo players.
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Lukriss
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:02:00 -
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First of all, it seems that EVE is not for you,
Secondly, you say you don't want to do 4 hrs of research before getting into a game, yet you want a walkthrough book?
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Tuscun Nebular
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: maddmaxx III Edited by: maddmaxx III on 28/05/2009 20:58:26
To the op,
lol your first mistake was mentioning wow, in these forums that will get you nothing but flames. Oh and CCP dose not give a ****.
good luck with whatever you choose, you should however give eve another chance, it dose not have to be as time consuming as you think, in fact eve is a great game for casual mmo players.
Wow, you comment was the first that made any kind've sense. Like you said, ccp doesn't give a ****, because they already have te money for the game, but they won't get a penny more...
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
I got bored with WoW after about a year and a half (it takes a lot to get me bored). I will hit the three year mark for this game come August and I am still not bored with this game. And I can't fly anything bigger then a Battleship.
LOL I got bored with WOW before I even made it through the character creation screen.
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Vyllana
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:26:00 -
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EVE is a niche game, not a mainstream game like WoW. EVE caters to people that enjoy a slower paced, more thoughtful, and much more complex type of gaming. That style is not for everyone, and so EVE is not for everyone. However, by catering to this niche, EVE is able to remain stable and succesful, and to continue to steadily grow in population.
Meanwhile, games that try to be "like WoW", in catering to less thoughtful players, dumbing everything down, all in the end discover that they can't really compete with WoW, as one can clearly see in the rapid population booms at release and then painful, withering, declines of games like Age of Conan and Warhammer.
EVE does not compete directly with WoW, it is a totally different type of game, and draws its subscribers from a pretty different pool of people. That is why EVE is prospering when so many other MMOs are not.
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Six Across
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:36:00 -
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Pfft, give the guy a break. Hiding behind the internet scoffing at new players doesn't impress me, and it certainly won't make you seem like part of a higher class that WoW players.
Everyone is confused by Eve. If it were not the case, we wouldn't have 2003 players asking for advice on these forums. He has valid points and made a lot of effort in explaining them. If all you antagonizers can see is the WoW reference you shouldn't bother replying.
Accept his argument and offer constructive criticism, or move on...
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Tinker
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:52:00 -
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Oh and as for the "not recieved" help. EVE players tend to respond to questions which are covered in the tutorial with :
"Welcome to EVE now do the tutorial"
That is because you usualy can tell when someone asks a question if he has done the "tut" or not.
You complain about not having success ? When you are done with your 3 L1 tutorial Agents that each explain different aspects of EVE (Mining/Industry/Production , Combat , Exploration/Trade etc), you have around 2m ISK, 3 to 4 frigate class ships in your hangar plus at least 1 industrial. And on top of that you know how to put them to use "aka" you learned the skills.
Now the tutorial is not done in 1 hour. Doesnt need to be done in that time neither as you can pick up where you left the last time. Best thing on that ? Your character evolves and trains while you are asleep or at work so that is too time consuming ? mhmhm
You dont want to do research on a game, thats fine as you just go ahead and play it, thats what everybody else does before he/she wants to go into detail about exploration or industry and production or corp management or ...... But those did the tutorial.
fly safe or what ever you do out there T
ps english is not my native tongue so dont flame me for typos
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Tuscun Nebular
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:52:00 -
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Player six across...Thanks you for being so understanding. For me, I don't know where to start in this game. i.e. which skills and such should I buy/train first? In other games it's not really a guessing game! If you're not eligable for a certain skill/item your basically blocked from that area, and guided in the right direction. Why isn't it like that in this game? i.e. I bought certain sills and when I went to train them, a message then comes up, well you not eligable to train that skill/item, and I have to research what I have to train as a prerequsite and that goes on thruouth the game. It's frustaiting and intimidating to a new player, and when I ask for help in the rookie chat, all I get is read the tutorial. after reading the abusive responses to my conerns, naturally I become defensive. Why can't some of the players here guide me as where to go, and what to do? Anyway, tanks.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 28/05/2009 21:57:13 *yawns at wall of text*
Sooo...did you have a question or is this just a complain thread ? If so ask it already, short and clearly please and it will be answered by this fountain of wisdom we call the forum. Otherwise, please move the thread back to GD Mitnal
BTW, there's an enter key on your keyboard. There's also a thing called paragraph. I's advise you to use it if you want some to answer with something else than TL;DR. --- Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:11:00 -
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25 and pursuing a medical degree
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Six Across
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:13:00 -
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/facepalm...
Anyway. Tuscum, the reason I believe that players are allowed to purchase anything in the game is to ensure that they learn from their mistakes. Addmittedly it's very annoying when it happens, but this leads people to check their purchases much more quickly. Also, it allows you to buy multiple skillbooks in order to have them ready when you need them; thus allowing you to do a quick trip to pick up all the books you need before learning them in peace. Probably more applicable to pirates than new players like yourself (and me).
It took me a dozen trial accounts to settle in to Eve. But now after a couple of months it's become mesmeric. I really hope you find aspects of this game that you like, and that you give a game this deep enough time to sink in. If after 60 days or however long it's still not for you, you'll know why.
All the best.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tuscun Nebular If you're not eligable for a certain skill/item your basically blocked from that area, and guided in the right direction. Why isn't it like that in this game? i.e. I bought certain sills and when I went to train them, a message then comes up, well you not eligable to train that skill/item, and I have to research what I have to train as a prerequsite and that goes on thruouth the game.
EVE is an open game. The game client does not know what you're buying the skill book for. Many a trader makes some decent money buying skillbooks and selling them again - you don't need to be able to train the skill for that. If the game would block you from buying skills you can't use, you'd also be limited in your trading options. Now that's just one example. The sandbox nature of EVE makes having restrictions very difficult.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:22:00 -
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OP, you're right, EVE is pretty overwhelming for the new player.
What you can do is go to the "Settings" tab on the market screen and play with the options there some. Then you can use the "Browse" tab.
TBH though, a lot of the long term appeal of EVE is the depth and complexity.
Most MMOs have a relatively short burn-out time. It's about 2 years generally.
People tend to stick around a lot longer in EVE because there's more to do.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:33:00 -
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I'm 42. I love EVE because of its complexity. I paid for a year in advance after the first day.
I was completely lost when I first launched the client, but got all the basics down in about a week.
I surf these forums way to much, and can tell you that EVE is the most friendliest and helpful MMO community you will find... when they aren't killing each other. Heck pirates in EVE will often explain what you did wrong if you ask.
I must admit I read a lot about EVE. The game is so big that one has to. For example, the manufacturing side of EVE is so large that common ship modules can take the efforts of literally hundreds of people and large alliances to make possible.
Had you joined a helpful corporation, like say EVE University, I think you may have had completely different experience.
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Procopius
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Flying ZombieJesus Edited by: Flying ZombieJesus on 28/05/2009 18:59:16 Theres your skill curve
This was literally the funniest thing I've seen in years.
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Grann Thefauto
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:44:00 -
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This game would be insanely boring if it didn't have the depth it did, whats why I don't play WOW. The reason we play Eve is because we like the complexity. I only play a few hours a week and work full time, but I'm still able to do fine. Heck, I even do PVP and exploration, some of the most complicated things in the game.
If you want mind numbing grinding, hand holding, and simplicity go play WOW; if you want a complex, brutal, and challenging game play Eve. Some people just don't like Eve for its Eveness and thats fine.
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Shoa Jinn
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander I'm 42. I love EVE because of its complexity. I paid for a year in advance after the first day.
I was completely lost when I first launched the client, but got all the basics down in about a week.
I surf these forums way to much, and can tell you that EVE is the most friendliest and helpful MMO community you will find... when they aren't killing each other. Heck pirates in EVE will often explain what you did wrong if you ask.
I must admit I read a lot about EVE. The game is so big that one has to. For example, the manufacturing side of EVE is so large that common ship modules can take the efforts of literally hundreds of people and large alliances to make possible.
Had you joined a helpful corporation, like say EVE University, I think you may have had completely different experience.
you nailed alot of what eve is right there... cooperation. my copr is just getting into capital manufacturing and it often takes 15-20 people to crank them out in any decent amount of time
to the OP: eve is not meant to be "easy" at the begining. it starts hard and THEN gets easier. imo this is a good thing as it weeds the undesierables out much quicker. if you hate it dont give us a wall of text. just leave quietly.
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Plexxy
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tuscun Nebular Player six across...Thanks you for being so understanding. For me, I don't know where to start in this game. i.e. which skills and such should I buy/train first? In other games it's not really a guessing game! If you're not eligable for a certain skill/item your basically blocked from that area, and guided in the right direction. Why isn't it like that in this game? i.e. I bought certain sills and when I went to train them, a message then comes up, well you not eligable to train that skill/item, and I have to research what I have to train as a prerequsite and that goes on thruouth the game. It's frustaiting and intimidating to a new player, and when I ask for help in the rookie chat, all I get is read the tutorial. after reading the abusive responses to my conerns, naturally I become defensive. Why can't some of the players here guide me as where to go, and what to do? Anyway, tanks.
There are mechanisms to help prevent you from buying skills and items you cannot use. When you show info on something, there is a prerequisites tab. When you browse the market and look at a subset of items, there will be icons indicating whether or not you meet the prerequisites as well, but show info is always better. As far as getting started on training, the best way is to start getting learning skills up to 4 if you don't know what else to train. This will give you plenty of time to think about what you want to do.
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Procopius
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shoa Jinn
just leave quietly.
If only everyone who leaves or is eternally disgruntled just did this...
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Asarah
Celestial Flux Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:09:00 -
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Quote: the developers made this game for space enthusiasts
Exactly, hammer meet nailhead. Either you are or you arent. You aren't, so kindly GTFO and stop trying to tell the devs what to do with their game. _________________________________________________________
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Infernal Travesty
Something Rotten W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:09:00 -
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I can understand how Eve seems a bit overbearing at first. I learned a lot through talking to others and asking questions.
When something is difficult you can't just turn round and say "this is ****" or you'll never amount to anything in life.
If you really want to get more into the game, join a player corp like Eve University, as earlier mentioned. They can teach you a huge amount.
Failing that... ask questions. If you don't like the rookie help channel (I agree) then use the forums or ask some random person in a local channel, or hell... ask me.
As for Evemon and EFT, they are not hacks and perfectly safe for your computer. They do not affect the game in anyway, they just take specific pieces of information and allow you to create skill plans and fit ships without spending all that isk on a mistake.
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:36:00 -
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I'm starting to get tired of the people who come whining on the forums asking for Eve to be dumbed down because they don't get it. It's the same kind of mentality that has that damn paperclip popping up every five seconds. Not all of us need hand holding, some of us like to find things out for ourselves, and only ask when we get stuck on something.
Eve is a niche product. Go to the News-stands and you will find lots of easy puzzle books to while away the hours with simple wordsearches, but some people like the challenge of the Times cryptic crosswords. Personally I can't do them, but do I write the Times scathing letters telling them they must make them easier so more people can do them? No I do not. I just don't do them.
I tried WoW. I didn't like it. Did I inhabit the WoW forums telling them how rubbish their game is? No, I just didn't continue playing.
If someone comes on the forums and tells us they have been playing for years and the game would be so much better if only x did/did not happen, I and many others will consider it. This kind of pathetic weaselly rant gets us nowhere.
Online games have a trial for a reason. Most games you buy from the shop will accept them back if you hate them.
If you are asking for help, then ask for it, but telling people who like the game that it sucks is just inflammatory and, plainly, wrong.
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Tuscun Nebular
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:36:00 -
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Infernal Travesty Thanks for the advice I will seek out "Eve University" and tae it from there. Oh, for everyones info, I agree that WOW is redundant, and that's why when I seen this game, I was looking forward to playing it. I just wish that I can catch on that's all.
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