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EVE Universe
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Posted - 2009.05.28 14:58:00 -
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I understand many people don't like/believe/trust in honouring 1v1's
But for those that do, what exactly are the rules?
I sometimes read some threads here on C&P that make it confusing to understand.
1. Is warping out during a 1v1 ok? If you know you can't win, isn't it ok to try and get out? If not, then what is the point of fitting a warp disruptor? You may as well just dock up beforehand put another module there.
2. Is ewar allowed? Is it considered cheating, to use ecm drones for example?
3. Is docking up and refitting your ship to suit the match allowed?
It just seems all very rigid to have rules sometimes. Personally, I think the only way a 1v1 could be "dishonoured" is if the other person ruins the party by bringing in friends. I also think they should have to fight in the ship that they agreed to fight in beforehand.
Anything else I think should be a free-for-all, including running away (if they couldn't keep you there, that's their problem).
Because face it, if you had to run away from the fight, you lost the duel anyways.
What do you think?
P.S. (My first post here on C&P, be nice I sometimes have agreed 1v1's with my pirate main, and have never had any issues with it myself, but I know quite a few people that have)
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Forcerix Dragoon
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Forcerix Dragoon on 28/05/2009 15:04:58 1) If the guy who you're fighting didn't fit a point, that's his problem. Warp out if you can, there's no dishonour in showing the guy he's an idiot.
2) Unless otherwise specified, use what you want.
3) It doesn't matter if it's "allowed", if you have good intel then bring what will win you the fight.
Don't try to make it fairer for the other person...Do what you can do win and survive, just keep it one on one. :)
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Absalom Marathon
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:05:00 -
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Everything is 'cool' as long as you don't bring in more ppl to the fight. Thats the only thing everybody *****es about.
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PostmasterGeneral
Minmatar yo i'm posting
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:05:00 -
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There are no rules
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:12:00 -
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The only rule is the "1v1" part. Anything else should be agreed upon or considered irrelevant. You could ask for a fight to the death, and if the guy agrees but runs when losing, I guess it would be considered as 'dishonour', but otherwise, it's your own fault for letting him go.
Likewise, other terms regarding the usage of modules/drones/ships, or anything else, could be established before the fight.
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Agarwaen Macil
Caldari Est Deus In Nobis
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:14:00 -
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the only rules in a 1v1 are whatever is agreed upon by the involved parties to satisfy their particular brands of ehonor, or lack thereof.
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FU22
Beyond Transcendence
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:24:00 -
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Basically whats said, a 1vs1 is just that unless specificied before hand.
ecm drones are fine in my book but if you start filling your mids up with racial jammers I would probably be rather annoyed
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.05.28 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Agarwaen Macil the only rules in a 1v1 are whatever is agreed upon by the involved parties to satisfy their particular brands of ehonor, or lack thereof.
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Speshtard
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Posted - 2009.05.28 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Speshtard on 28/05/2009 17:46:59 One rule:
1. Call in your corpies before they do
EDIT:
Rule 2. Talk smack if they call in their corpies before you did
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Junichiro Malum
Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.28 18:01:00 -
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1. Win
2. Loot their wreck
3. Do not pod them unless you really don't like them.
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Cockadopolis
Holographic Universe
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Posted - 2009.05.28 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Speshtard Edited by: Speshtard on 28/05/2009 17:46:59 One rule:
1. Call in your corpies before they do
EDIT:
Rule 2. Talk smack if they call in their corpies before you did
I lol'd fo' sho'
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Mystafyre
Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.05.28 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: PostmasterGeneral There are no rules
This.
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Izo Alabaster
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.05.28 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Izo Alabaster on 28/05/2009 18:39:11
Originally by: EVE Universe I understand many people don't like/believe/trust in honouring 1v1's
But for those that do, what exactly are the rules?
I sometimes read some threads here on C&P that make it confusing to understand.
1. Is warping out during a 1v1 ok? If you know you can't win, isn't it ok to try and get out? If not, then what is the point of fitting a warp disruptor? You may as well just dock up beforehand put another module there.
While you might fight to the death to honor the 1v1, the other guy often times has different ideas. Best to fit a warp disruptor if you actually want to finish him off. Similarly, if he fails to keep your ship from warping off, well, that's his fault although it's more honorable to allow him to finish off your ship, since you did agree to fight him.
Quote: 2. Is ewar allowed? Is it considered cheating, to use ecm drones for example?
Not cheating, but it makes the fight kind of boring. If you're agreeing to a FIGHT, then you should FIGHT. ECM's one of the most overpowered mechanics in the game (when it works) and will completely suck the fun out of any fight. It'll be a hollow victory if you do win, and humiliating if you lose. You're better off using non-ECM drones (but other E-war drones are ok, imo). So, yes, it's allowed, but it's lame.
Quote: 3. Is docking up and refitting your ship to suit the match allowed?
Hell YES! If they're dumb enough to tip their hand, then it would be negligent of you to not take advantage. For instance, if they're agreeing to 1v1 you in battlecruisers, and they're bringing an Amarr BC to the fight, it would be foolish of you NOT to dock up and slap on the EM/therm armor hardeners.
My 2 isks.
Originally by: CCP Nozh Are BS useless in solo combat? The larger ship still has many benefits: * Can fit smaller weapons to fend off smaller targets * More slots allow EW counter measures
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EVE Universe
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:04:00 -
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Thank you everyone. Very helpful responses.
The one thing I still find tricky is the notion of "honour":
Originally by: Izo Alabaster
Similarly, if he fails to keep your ship from warping off, well, that's his fault although it's more honorable to allow him to finish off your ship, since you did agree to fight him.
So, it is more "honourable" not to run away.
But if you do run away, and the other party considers it a dishonoured 1v1, what can you do then? Say, if they see you burning away from scram range, and then decide to bring in their friends to finish you off. Who dishonoured then? You or them?
There should be some kind of pirate handbook with such rules all laid out for us. LOL
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Dracoknight
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:22:00 -
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most people dont give a ****, this "honor-code" is just something people with the "no risk" mentallity desperatly hold on to, more experienced pvpers use anything they can against you.
But a universal: 1v1 is 1 on 1 only, noone else is to mess along, otherwise: everything is allowed the "do not run away" rule is only set if you have scrams on. ____________________
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Deathhawk
Hammersmith Hardmen Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:28:00 -
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i think the rules are as soon as your engage and have them webbed an scrammed you bring as many people as you can in to the fight..
thats why its called a 1v1
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Speshtard
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Deathhawk i think the rules are as soon as your engage and have them webbed an scrammed you bring as many people as you can in to the fight..
thats why its called a 1v1
That's exactly what I said, see? Someone else here knows what he's on about!
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Mynxee
Hellcats
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:49:00 -
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I think of it like this:
Solo engagement: If I catch you, I'm going to try and kill you and your pod by myself. If you catch me, I'm gonna fight or try and run (especially if you're a well known blobbin' sum*****), based on how I assess my chances. No rules, no mercy.
1v1: You asked if I wanted to fight, I said yes. Fights are to the ship death. The only "rule" I'll agree to for 1v1's is "no podding." However, I usually won't warp off if I'm not pointed, as from my perspective "to the death" is implied in a 1v1. The killmail and the loot are the victor's reward for taking the chance. We fleet up, warp to safe and fight.
Duel: You're a corpmate, friend, or acquaintance; we duel in a safe spot, bound by rules agreed to before the match e.g. "first into hull loses".
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Jane Bennet
Caldari Alloyed Tritanium Bar And Grill
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:16:00 -
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1) No potions. 2) Self-buffs only. 3) Burning your long-cooldown procs is considered lame.
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Miney Prospector
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:45:00 -
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It's like thunderdome! TWO MEN ENTER ONE MAN LEAVE. I'm not saying anything, I'm just sayin' |
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Lady Thanatos
The Forbidden Hunters Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2009.05.29 01:36:00 -
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There is only one rule in all of Eve, you must remember this one rule, and never forget it
Rule #1: Don't die.
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.05.29 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Thanatos There is only one rule in all of Eve, you must remember this one rule, and never forget it
Rule #1: Don't die.
I wouldn't be too worried about sticking that rule if I was you.. With proper preparation and planning you can prevent it being a problem.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.05.29 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Thanatos There is only one rule in all of Eve, you must remember this one rule, and never forget it
Rule #1: Don't die.
Tbh, that's the kind of thing we don't need broadcasted. Way too few people take risks today, way too much people are afraid of losing isk, ruining k/d-ratios, or whatever. What EVE need right now, is people with balls. Balls of steel.
Players are getting rich, fat, and satiated. Need more cold, harsh, hard climate. Moar 'sploding. Moar. Moar! MOAR! - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
KiloAlpha
Southern Cross Trilogy
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Posted - 2009.05.29 04:42:00 -
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Balls of steel.
omg i laughed so damn hard
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Marlona Sky
Digital assassins The Foray Project
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Posted - 2009.05.29 07:11:00 -
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It's only 1v1 till friends arrive to help them.
Better yet, go to SiSi to do 1v1's.
But like what was said earlier, this is EvE and if they can tackle you and hold you till their friend get in to help gank you, you lose. Trust me, no one will take your side either they will just lol at you for taking the 1v1.
So once again, if you do have a 1v1 and you win, its only because his friends were not fast enough to come help him.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.05.29 07:16:00 -
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1v1 sounds like a description of my condition when I wake up. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.29 07:29:00 -
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I log on my Guardian alt and my Falcon alt.
Technically 1v1 as I am a single person. Amirite? Rawr!!!!!!!!
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.05.29 07:57:00 -
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1vs1 for me generally means, an engagement between me and you. If you brought an SPR Drake or Myrmidon to the fight without tackle, thats your problem.
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.05.29 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky It's only 1v1 till friends arrive to help them.
Better yet, go to SiSi to do 1v1's.
But like what was said earlier, this is EvE and if they can tackle you and hold you till their friend get in to help gank you, you lose. Trust me, no one will take your side either they will just lol at you for taking the 1v1.
So once again, if you do have a 1v1 and you win, its only because his friends were not fast enough to come help him.
Wut?
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Cre'nor
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Posted - 2009.05.29 14:05:00 -
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If you honestly think anyone in EVE will "honor" rules a 1v1 fight, then you've already lost.
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