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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.29 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki CCP, you can try to avoid it and set it back again and again, but there will be the time when you will have to deal with the TOTALLY screwed lvl 4 agent system... more high sec agents.. great idea..
I know of 1 low sec system that has 4 lvl.4 Q20 agents and it is practically empty. So why put more agents in low sec if no one is going to use them? CCP correctly see's that the agent usage is in high sec. You pirates got what you wanted when missions became scannable, then when you saw low sec become a ghost town you now are whining to get all the lvl. 4's into low sec. Stop being so transparent.
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.29 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ
The problem, contrary to popular and idiotic memes (risk vs. reward, lol) is that mission running has no competency between players, if quality of agents and numebr of missions given where a fuction of people running mission, scarcity and competition would get into play.
You're kinda wrong here. High sec missions can still have the salvage taken and salvage can be worth fully half the value of the mission (i.e. worth as much as the bounties or more). I also remember any number of times a high sec mission runner being ganked to get his expensive officer fittings. Then there were the times a mission buster wold sneak in cloaked, and get close to the missioner in the hopes the runner would be using smart bomb and concorde would kill the missioner. So much for non player interactivity eh? |
Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem
Despite your claims, Gas Cloud Harvesting does have a ridiculous entry price: Over 40 million ISK just to get started. Add 20 million for every extra Gas Harvester you want to add. So for 5 Gas Harvesters on a ship + skill book you're paying over 120 million ISK. Let's not forget the added cost and time of finding the gas as well. So considerable time will be spent just getting back the money sunk into the profession. Quote:
Are you completely daft man? I know guys making 1 billion isk a day mining gas clouds. You complain here about the cost getting started then you make this comment:
Originally by: Zaknussem Meanwhile, the entry level price for L4 missions is about 150 million ISK (skills, ship and fittings) and about a month of skill time training, minimum. By the time you're eligible to talk to the L4 agents, you already have that money in your wallet by running L1-L3 missions. Making that money back should take about a week at the very most. Quote:
So on one hand 120 mil isk is a lot of isk, OTH it is not. I don't know about anyone else, a starting acct is NOT going to be lvl 4 mission ready in 30 days. How many times have we heard about a noob jumping into a BS before he was ready and losing it in a lvl 3 mission let alone a lvl 4. A casual player will not make 150 mil in 30 days nor will he gain enough standing to have access to a lvl 4 agent. As I stated in another thread, averaged out, a good miner can mine veld in hi sec and make as much a lvl 4 mission runner.
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3
Originally by: Lrrp Stuff
Ok I've been working on gas harvesting for the last few months and that 1 bil isk a day is utter bullsh*t.
First off I usually spend a day out doing exploration takes me about half an hour to an hour to scan down all the results in a system and I'll usually do about 3 systems in a day (running most sites), and usually I'll find 1 or 2 ladar sites if I'm lucky. And assuming I don't get one of those crappy combat ladar sites ccp added in. Well you said he was doing all gas harvesting so I'd guess he could get maybe 4/6 sites a day complete ignoring the other explorations he picked up.
Now running the actual site isn't too hard, if you do it solo you should be able to have it harvested, fight off the spawn and hauled in an hour. The amount of gas you find in these sites varies between 250-1000 units in all these and I only ever found 1 site that gave you 1000 gas, average is around 500.
Now assuming you somehow get all this gas to jita and sell it you can expect between 50k - 100k per unit. You also gonna have to wait a fair while to sell it all as the gas market moves pretty slow.
so 5 sites with 500 units each and 75k per unit. just under 200 mil for a full days work......
and this is in the middle of 0.0 having to go through multiple systems in hauling and harvesting ships and this doesn't even take into account what happens if some pirate tries to catch you. Hell it doesn't even take into account the fact that you probably have to pay (be it in pvp ships and time or straight out isk) for your access to 0.0 or the cost of hauling raw gas all the way to jita.
With all due respect, if you belonged to a good 0 sec corp and a number of you worked togeather, I think you will find my figure much closer to reality.
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