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Manterror	Posted - 2009.05.30 05:13:00 - [1] Is there a thread where people drop names on known scammers? If not we should make 1...for the sake of punching a toon name in to the forum search and have the thread "Known Scammers" pop up. I know it sounds impractical due to scammers usually being throw-away alts, but if we could get a large number contributing then within minutes of a scam the name will be dropped in and people will make a habit of doing a name-search b4 dealing. It would reduce the success rate of scammers considerably and eventually remove all but the most determined. Just an idea
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.05.30 09:18:00 - [2] When is someone a 'known' scammer? Does someone who disappeared count as a 'known' scammer? Is anyone who doesn't do exactly what was promised a 'known' scammer? FREE! jumpclone service - Now 416 locations!
Yoko Kringe	Posted - 2009.05.30 09:18:00 - [3] Edited by: Yoko Kringe on 30/05/2009 09:19:05 Thieves of Eve
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.05.30 09:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Yoko Kringe Thieves of Eve The fact that cosmoray is on that list illustrates my point nicely. I guess vigilante justice counts as scamming too. FREE! jumpclone service - Now 416 locations!
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.30 10:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Yoko Kringe Thieves of Eve The fact that cosmoray is on that list illustrates my point nicely. I guess vigilante justice counts as scamming too. The fact that cosmo is on the list is just ****ed. Originally by:** Yoko Kringe Edited by: Yoko Kringe on 30/05/2009 09:19:05 Thieves of Eve Yoko is a known scammer tho.
Ricdics Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.05.30 12:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Yoko Kringe Thieves of Eve The fact that cosmoray is on that list illustrates my point nicely. I guess vigilante justice counts as scamming too. Did you note where it says disputed? It provides evidence and allows a prospective investor to read up on the situation and make their own determination. It should never be used as a binding document, just a point of reference on characters flagged for shady behavior.
Ricdics Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.05.30 12:20:00 - [7] Originally by: LaVista Vista Yoko is a known scammer tho. Can you list precisely where Yoko scammed? Or did you wake up thinking your assumptions are factual?
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.05.30 12:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Ricdics Did you note where it says disputed? It provides evidence and allows a prospective investor to read up on the situation and make their own determination. It should never be used as a binding document, just a point of reference on characters flagged for shady behavior. Let's change the context to a list of possible paedophiles in EVE. Slightly different story then? WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.05.30 12:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Ricdics Did you note where it says disputed? It provides evidence and allows a prospective investor to read up on the situation and make their own determination. It should never be used as a binding document, just a point of reference on characters flagged for shady behavior. I did note where it says disputed. I said it 'illustrates' my point. The cosmoray case was high-profile and heavily debated on the forums. There might be similar cases with a lower profile where no such debate was sparked. Most of the 'proof' in that thread is player Y claiming that player X did this-or-that. That's useless, for all you know Y is the scammer trying to make someone else look bad. FREE! jumpclone service - Now 416 locations!
Ricdics Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.05.30 12:49:00 - [10] If you don't use it as a point of reference, that's fine. But it's almost impossible to 'prove' someone is scamming unless it's done through market, contract, or specifically confirmed by the scammer. The list does the best it can within the paramaters of the game. If you choose to do business with those individuals after reading other peoples testimonies, then that is your risk to take. I wouldn't determine EBANK loans off that list however I definitely do use the list as a point of reference and make a judgement call based on the 'proof' provided. It's no different to EBAY feedback except it's a list of people who have recieved negative comments.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.05.30 16:40:00 - [11] I didn't even know I had made it on to the thieves of Eve list. For those who are skeptical of me I do admit scamming a known scammer. Summary: 1. I invested 500M in Xabier (big mistake) 2. Evn7289 scammed large amount of cash from forum with Xabier help (both in same corp/alliance) 3. Evn7289 declared an ALT in his thread 4. Xabier and Evn7289 declared scams. 5. I managed to scam my initial investment in Xabier back off Evn7289 ALT. 6. I offered abitration to Evn7289 ALT via mine and his API audit. If he was innocent I would repay 110% of proceeds 7. Offer was refused Make up your own mind if you think I am a scammer. If you believe I am don't invest in my current or any future businesses. edit: I also missed the threads about arbitration panels (I was busy snowboarding that week)!
Frederick Longin	Posted - 2009.05.30 23:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Ricdics Originally by: LaVista Vista Yoko is a known scammer tho. Can you list precisely where Yoko scammed? Or did you wake up thinking your assumptions are factual? That's what I call Bill O'Reilly syndrome! Making up facts in ones head and projecting them as truth or rationalizing to others!
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2009.05.30 23:57:00 - [13] Lets make another list that no one will read. I would be more interested in a list of known roleplayers (worse than pedos). Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Ta'jek Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:36:00 - [14] good list of scammers is pretty much 95% of those offering contracts in most trade hub locals. as for maintaining a list as you mentioned they can just make another throwaway alt or eventually just sell the character.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.05.31 08:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Frederick Longin Originally by: Ricdics Originally by: LaVista Vista Yoko is a known scammer tho. Can you list precisely where Yoko scammed? Or did you wake up thinking your assumptions are factual? That's what I call Bill O'Reilly syndrome! Making up facts in ones head and projecting them as truth or rationalizing to others! Is it, did Yoko make a scamming thread? trying to scam people? i think she did. Why ricdic isnt called out as a known scammer i dont know tbh. no matter what he did, it was still a scam, even though he said it was a joke. it was still a scam.. Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Ricdics Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.05.31 13:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Ji Sama Is it, did Yoko make a scamming thread? trying to scam people? i think she did. Why ricdic isnt called out as a known scammer i dont know tbh. no matter what he did, it was still a scam, even though he said it was a joke. it was still a scam.. If you can find where Yoko took people's money and then didn't make true on his obligations, you can then call a scam. I never planned on keeping a drop of the isk. I wanted to see if people would invest in a poor business offering, not a scam. Where in that thread did Yoko say it was a scam?
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.05.31 13:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Ricdics Originally by: Ji Sama Is it, did Yoko make a scamming thread? trying to scam people? i think she did. Why ricdic isnt called out as a known scammer i dont know tbh. no matter what he did, it was still a scam, even though he said it was a joke. it was still a scam.. If you can find where Yoko took people's money and then didn't make true on his obligations, you can then call a scam. I never planned on keeping a drop of the isk. I wanted to see if people would invest in a poor business offering, not a scam. Where in that thread did Yoko say it was a scam? well, we dont know that do we.... for all i know you could have.. we will never know... fact remains, you still tried to scam... you cant argue that, that you didnt do it for the isk doesnt matter. where does it say that everyone scams for the isk? im well aware that you are worth 10 if not 100 times more than what you could have gotten from the failed attempt. imo you said it pretty clearly when you said it was all a joke, syked.... ie. joke, scam, bait, poorly written and thought through business plan (i just mutilated your grammar etc.) Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Ricdics Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.05.31 15:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Ji Sama well, we dont know that do we.... for all i know you could have.. we will never know... fact remains, you still tried to scam... Do you know what the word contradict means? Here's your interpretation: We don't know if you would scam do we? For all I know you could have scammed! We will never know if you would have scammed! this followed by > Fact remains, you still tried to scam You are a moron Ji Sama, nothing more needs saying.
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.31 15:54:00 - [19] It was pretty stupid idea tbh. Using your reasoning, anyone can try to scam and if it fails they will just post "It was an experiment, I just wanted to see if it works! I didn't want to take your money, honestly!" and it will be all ok. Originally by: Ricdics Originally by: Ji Sama well, we dont know that do we.... for all i know you could have.. we will never know... fact remains, you still tried to scam... Do you know what the word contradict means? Here's your interpretation: We don't know if you would scam do we? For all I know you could have scammed! We will never know if you would have scammed! this followed by > Fact remains, you still tried to scam You are a moron Ji Sama, nothing more needs saying.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.05.31 18:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Ricdics You are a moron Ji Sama, nothing more needs saying. Thank you :D just wanted to quote this part and keep it in a special place... Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Fitz VonHeise Foundation	Posted - 2009.06.02 18:20:00 - [21] Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 02/06/2009 18:21:35 Originally by: cosmoray I didn't even know I had made it on to the thieves of Eve list. Thought I would add my two cents. No I do not think cosmoray is a scammer now after reading his words. EDIT: (Make that habitual scammer) But I did have someone come to my thread and tell me my list was worthless because I was leaving off it high profile Market people... in essence discriminating against the little guys. And since there was a long discussion about it anyway... I put it up. Cosmoray Disputed . His Words Why will I leave it there? Historical posterity. People might be interested to read about it at some point.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.02 18:29:00 - [22] That's the worst justification ever. Truly. It doesn't even make logical sense. Awful. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.06.02 18:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 02/06/2009 18:21:35 Originally by: cosmoray I didn't even know I had made it on to the thieves of Eve list. Thought I would add my two cents. No I do not think cosmoray is a scammer now after reading his words. EDIT: (Make that habitual scammer) But I did have someone come to my thread and tell me my list was worthless because I was leaving off it high profile Market people... in essence discriminating against the little guys. And since there was a long discussion about it anyway... I put it up. Cosmoray Disputed . His Words Why will I leave it there? Historical posterity. People might be interested to read about it at some point. Fitz if you are going to add links about me you need to add the original thread from the Evn7289 ALT, Hapenburg who made the original claim about me. link This would explain most of the action but Hapenburg edited most of his posts
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.02 18:48:00 - [24] Originally by: cosmoray This would explain most of the action but Hapenburg edited most of his posts EVE-Search? Would link but on HSDPA. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.02 18:54:00 - [25] Whatever you think, it was few stroke of genius and one hell of a way to spend a monday afternoon at the office.
Kalrand	Posted - 2009.06.02 18:59:00 - [26] For what its worth, having cosmo listed after all that drama sort of makes sense on a list like that, if only for completeness sake. That being said, you better damn well include the link he highlighted above, since that shows the whole thing in a different light. And yea, I'm pretty sure that was the same guy who scammed you all before getting a half bil removed from his wallet, and not some poor, unfortunate, character transaction gone horribly wrong. Personally, its "OMG I GOT SCAMMED I WANT TO GET EVEN" that's kept me from investing in anything on the MD boards, since just about everyone has been hit by a goon scam before in one way or another, and I'm afraid whoever I want to invest with will take my isk, and then tell me to "take it up with my corp mate to get a refund".
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.02 19:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Kalrand Personally, its "OMG I GOT SCAMMED I WANT TO GET EVEN" that's kept me from investing in anything on the MD boards, since just about everyone has been hit by a goon scam before in one way or another, and I'm afraid whoever I want to invest with will take my isk, and then tell me to "take it up with my corp mate to get a refund". Blue chips, baby. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Kalrand	Posted - 2009.06.02 19:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Kalrand Personally, its "OMG I GOT SCAMMED I WANT TO GET EVEN" that's kept me from investing in anything on the MD boards, since just about everyone has been hit by a goon scam before in one way or another, and I'm afraid whoever I want to invest with will take my isk, and then tell me to "take it up with my corp mate to get a refund". Blue chips, baby. The example in this thread is cosmoray. I can't think of many bluer chips. I'm not saying that I think he'd punk one of my investments, but its an example of the thinking that someone would need to go through to punish me for the actions of someone else.
Fitz VonHeise Foundation	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:58:00 - [29] Originally by: cosmoray .. add the original thread from the Evn7289 ALT, Hapenburg... Done (glad to do it)
Ezra Tair	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:07:00 - [30] If the contract is for an item you can find in market (aside from say, rigged ships), its a scam. Always. Just block that guy and move along in your life. No need to spew about how that guy is a scammer in local. Just move on with your life. If its not something you can buy in market, be very careful on price, and volume. Tada, no need for a fancy list.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:21:00 - [31] Originally by: Kalrand The example in this thread is cosmoray. I can't think of many bluer chips. Hi. Please show me where I can buy shares in this Cosmoray (ps, he's my alt). Because surely that's what a blue chip is. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Fitz VonHeise Foundation	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Ezra Tair Tada, no need for a fancy list. Well.. actually my list is more about corp thieves. But if the person has done an IPO or sold shares and scammed I put them on the list too. The normal Jita scammers I ignore... they are like a swarm of bees that never go away.
Kalrand	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Kalrand The example in this thread is cosmoray. I can't think of many bluer chips. Hi. Please show me where I can buy shares in this Cosmoray (ps, he's my alt). Because surely that's what a blue chip is. From what I can tell around here, with all the linguistical mangling of actual market terms that goes on, "blue chip investments" means "Old Snarky MD Veterans". You know, the ones who complain about the "secondary market".
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.03 06:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Kalrand From what I can tell around here, with all the linguistical mangling of actual market terms that goes on, "blue chip investments" means "Old Snarky MD Veterans". You know, the ones who complain about the "secondary market". Yeah, that's us alright. But we'll make you money. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.03 14:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Kalrand From what I can tell around here, with all the linguistical mangling of actual market terms that goes on, "blue chip investments" means "Old Snarky MD Veterans". Since it is apparent you need some education I'm going to give a spot class on the difference between "Old Snarky" and "New Snarky". 1 - Snarky is snarky. 2 - Old is generally experienced and better informed. 3 - New is generally passionately clueless in the extreme. Now to my point, not all Blue Chip stocks/projects are run by "Old Snarky MD Veterans" (Redundant wording alert!!!). Nor are trolls exempt from being in the "snarky" category as you so clearly demonstrate. The biggest difference between yourself ("New passionately clueless snarky person") and person like myself ("Old snarky MD veterans") is: We have everything and do not need you. You have very little and need us. If for nothing more than to reach up and try to pull us down to your minuscule level. After all, if you were worth something you'd expend your energy making something of yourself instead of just making an ass of yourself. But that would require some intellectual honesty on your part and, well, I've not noticed the capacity in you yet.
Kalrand	Posted - 2009.06.03 15:12:00 - [36] Originally by: HawkBlade You have very little and need us. If for nothing more than to reach up and try to pull us down to your minuscule level. I think you overestimate how much you matter to me. Originally by: HawkBlade After all, if you were worth something you'd expend your energy making something of yourself Make something of myself? In a videogame? Originally by: HawkBlade that would require some intellectual honesty on your part and, well, I've not noticed the capacity in you yet. Please provide links to back this up.
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2009.06.04 16:23:00 - [37] As far as I'm concerned, one should proceed in this fashion: Population of Eve - (you and your alts) = list of potential scammers You may not be so sure of your alts, however, so: Population of Eve - you = list of potential scammers It may be easier to eliminate all roaches in the world or legislate some sensible gun control in the USA than to control scamming in Eve. Good luck. EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.04 18:51:00 - [38] apart from the list you should also go through the posting history of the person you are putting investment to. see if they have done any investments before and if they were on time and generally try and get the feel for the person your are investing in. if it sounds like he is going to scam you since his offering are awesome amazing then most likly he will scam you. some people leave them selves to scamming by not being sensible. my 2 cents not that there worth much OFFLINE[ONLINE]
StationSpinner	Posted - 2009.06.04 19:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Kalrand Please do not flame. Post removed. Zymurgist This new community manager is ****. Here is the original link, I hardly think a measured response to a personal attack is a flame.

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