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Gaktern Flagg
VITUPERATED HYSTERIA V.I.R.A.L.
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:00:00 -
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Learned that one the hard way. Also learned that Plastic Wrap Plex is not actually plex. Oh well, you have to learn somehow. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:11:00 -
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Shame when those lessons are public and really quite graphic. However, somebody styling himself as a deranged credit card shouldn't be taken lightly at all.
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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2012.05.13 19:29:00 -
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Who'd recruit pay ransom to someone named CrazedCC? |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:38:00 -
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he is very sorry, his guns malfunctioned and your tank was so brittle that he accidentally your ship. |
CrazedCC
Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:45:00 -
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As the CEO of Nova Ardour I am very sorry for this breakdown in communications.....
We will pay back your ransom ISK and the hull cost of your drake.
Goodday Sir.
CrazedCC CEO Nova Ardour
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Ehnea Mehk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:53:00 -
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Gaktern Flagg wrote:Learned that one the hard way. Also learned that Plastic Wrap Plex is not actually plex. Oh well, you have to learn somehow.
Never pay a ransom, ever. Not only does it mark you as a griefer target down the road, this is EVE Online and "one's word" is as rare as a 1K ISK Orca.
Ehnea [url]http://odatrik.guildportal.com[/url] |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.14 00:04:00 -
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Ehnea Mehk wrote:Gaktern Flagg wrote:Learned that one the hard way. Also learned that Plastic Wrap Plex is not actually plex. Oh well, you have to learn somehow. Never pay a ransom, ever. Not only does it mark you as a griefer target down the road, this is EVE Online and "one's word" is as rare as a 1K ISK Orca. Ehnea
Python Cartel always honored ransoms, the corp is dead now but the point is we always honored ransoms. That one time when I accidentally a pod with a drake was ok because they were about to discuss ransom but no isk had been transferred
Really is horrible accidentally firing a full volley and being far enough away where you can see the missiles flying really slowly at the stationary pod that's scrammed |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.05.14 01:05:00 -
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I'd honour ransoms, if people actually payed ransoms these days. In Manticore we Trust |
Count of MonteCylon
Dantes Exploration and Mining
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Posted - 2012.05.14 04:21:00 -
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The only time someone has even tried to ransom me was after they blew my ship up. They must not be making pirates like they used to. |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:29:00 -
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Count of MonteCylon wrote:The only time someone has even tried to ransom me was after they blew my ship up. They must not be making pirates like they used to.
Contracting the corpse back to the owner is pretty legit. Some people hate the idea that someone else has their precious biomass. I think they are nifty collectables. In Manticore we Trust |
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Carrelle Rouppon
Air Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:19:00 -
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Crazed causing havoc as per usual. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.05.14 12:49:00 -
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Came expecting a Lee Janssen post...
...left disappoint.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.05.14 12:52:00 -
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He expected the CEO of Nova Ardour not to **** him?
That's pretty funny. |
CrazedCC
Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:16:00 -
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I often find myself in the soft folds of a virgin carebear....they make it so damn easy
All the ISK i will ever need is floating around highsec....Gawd i love STEAK! |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:38:00 -
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Garven Dreis wrote:I'd honour ransoms, if people actually payed ransoms these days.
Ransoms depend on trust. If I trusted a person enough not to blow up my ship after I paid a ransom...they wouldn't be the type of person who'd be holding a gun to my ship in the first place. Bit of a catch 22.
I'm not saying there aren't pirates who will honor ransoms, but those being held hostage have no legitimate way to verify who is whom.
I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:48:00 -
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Garven Dreis wrote: Contracting the corpse back to the owner is pretty legit. Some people hate the idea that someone else has their precious biomass. I think they are nifty collectables.
Always contract the corpse back...just never promise that it wont be slightly used and sticky first, because that would be lying and dishonorable.
Plently of pirates and pirate corp honor 1v1's and ransoms, or pay back if they do accidently continue violence on your ship. The Black Rabbits are one i know for a fact do. Problem is most of the stuff posted on forums is about people that dont honor so that makes people think all people do that, which is why its really not worth offering one anymore just wasting time before you have to blow them up. It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube
1st. Pariah Malefactor Corp. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:55:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:Garven Dreis wrote:I'd honour ransoms, if people actually payed ransoms these days. Ransoms depend on trust. If I trusted a person enough not to blow up my ship after I paid a ransom...they wouldn't be the type of person who'd be holding a gun to my ship in the first place. Bit of a catch 22. I'm not saying there aren't pirates who will honor ransoms, but those being held hostage have no legitimate way to verify who is whom.
I'd hold a gun on your ship and honor the ransom if that was my business. Bad business offering ransom and not honoring it. If I can make 220 million off you without wasting ammo, isn't that better than you not giving me ISK and I have to salvage and loot your ship if I want to profit? That may or may not be worth it. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:02:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Garven Dreis wrote:I'd honour ransoms, if people actually payed ransoms these days. Ransoms depend on trust. If I trusted a person enough not to blow up my ship after I paid a ransom...they wouldn't be the type of person who'd be holding a gun to my ship in the first place. Bit of a catch 22. I'm not saying there aren't pirates who will honor ransoms, but those being held hostage have no legitimate way to verify who is whom. I'd hold a gun on your ship and honor the ransom if that was my business. Bad business offering ransom and not honoring it. If I can make 220 million off you without wasting ammo, isn't that better than you not giving me ISK and I have to salvage and loot your ship if I want to profit? That may or may not be worth it.
Or you could take my 220 million....and then shoot up my ship and take the loot/salvage on top of it to maximize your profit.
This isn't like a normal business where screwing over your customers can be bad in the long run and it is ultimately more profitable to deal with them fairly so they'll keep coming back to you. You are in the business of screwing people over.
Even if you honor the ransom and are polite about the whole affair, nobody is going to willingly repeat the exchange. (Unless they're dumb and get caught again).
I hold no grudges against pirates. I trade, you guys ransom. We each do what we find is fun. I'm just explaining the mindset of an industrialist who might be trying to decide on paying that ransom or not, and what is going through their mind.
A smart industrialist would mount a gun on their hauler and, when pinned down for ransom, eject their cargo and hold their own jetcan ransom in exchange for being allowed to escape with their ship. An even smarter one would eject just 1 trit and say it was their whole cargo. Now who has to trust whom? I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 02:29:00 -
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Self destruct is your friend if someone is demanding a ransom, just hope your tank holds out for 2 minutes. |
Orly Rly
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 03:13:00 -
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It takes a pretty special sociopath to clean up a ship after it's owner pays a ransom. |
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Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 03:51:00 -
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I know of a few people who shall not be named who do not honor ransoms. Seems the old days of Python and the Black Rabbits are few and far between. I may rustle a few feathers when I say this but you are scum if you don't honor a ransom.
Not scum as in I'm cool and your tears are so sweet. More like I stepped in dog Sh^% and washed it off my boot type scum. Then again I'm old fashioned
There's nothing that garners respect more among your targets and word of mouth than upholding your word. Especially if you try to go for another ransom again and that reputation has now been tarnished by your stupidity.
I will say this though. Don't fall for stupid. They seem like their stalling so their buddies can save him? Kill him. Won't pay up a desired amount that is reasonable or does the old blinky wallet trick? Kill him.
Bitches and moans to the point you have such a headache you want to punch a newborn? Kill him.
I've had the pleasure of having many a ransom and continue to honor such. Even us Pirates have some honor. |
Orly Rly
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.17 00:09:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:I know of a few people who shall not be named who do not honor ransoms. Seems the old days of Python and the Black Rabbits are few and far between. I may rustle a few feathers when I say this but you are scum if you don't honor a ransom.
Not scum as in I'm cool and your tears are so sweet. More like I stepped in dog Sh^% and washed it off my boot type scum. Then again I'm old fashioned
There's nothing that garners respect more among your targets and word of mouth than upholding your word. Especially if you try to go for another ransom again and that reputation has now been tarnished by your stupidity.
I will say this though. Don't fall for stupid. They seem like their stalling so their buddies can save him? Kill him. Won't pay up a desired amount that is reasonable or does the old blinky wallet trick? Kill him.
Bitches and moans to the point you have such a headache you want to punch a newborn? Kill him.
I've had the pleasure of having many a ransom and continue to honor such. Even us Pirates have some honor.
That's pretty much it. Because of these few cases, I will just self-destruct the ship, even if it's worth 500m and they ask for a 50m ransom. This doesn't just ruin it for the dishonorable pirate, but all pirates. I used to test integrity in wow by handing out people in my guild 2000 gold each when they first join. I tell them it's a loan, and they can pay it back whenever, or never, No payment plan, no agreement, just put it back when you can. It's that leap of faith which garnered respect, as you say. I don't think anyone ever took the gold and never returned it, there are plenty of honorable people out there.
However; I do believe you should disclose the names of other dishonorable pirates, I don't see the point of defending 'off my shoe scum'. |
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.17 00:17:00 -
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Orly Rly wrote:[quote=Tara Read]I know of a few people who shall not be named who do not honor ransoms. Seems the old days of Python and the Black Rabbits are few and far between. I may rustle a few feathers when I say this but you are scum if you don't honor a ransom.
[SNIP]
However; I do believe you should disclose the names of other dishonorable pirates, I don't see the point of defending 'off my shoe scum'. Agreed, although it's still not going to matter if they say they honor ransoms or not; Until there's a real trend of pirates beginning to honor their word, if you try to ransom me, you get a self-destruct. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.05.17 06:34:00 -
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Orly Rly wrote:Tara Read wrote:I know of a few people who shall not be named who do not honor ransoms. Seems the old days of Python and the Black Rabbits are few and far between. I may rustle a few feathers when I say this but you are scum if you don't honor a ransom.
Not scum as in I'm cool and your tears are so sweet. More like I stepped in dog Sh^% and washed it off my boot type scum. Then again I'm old fashioned
There's nothing that garners respect more among your targets and word of mouth than upholding your word. Especially if you try to go for another ransom again and that reputation has now been tarnished by your stupidity.
I will say this though. Don't fall for stupid. They seem like their stalling so their buddies can save him? Kill him. Won't pay up a desired amount that is reasonable or does the old blinky wallet trick? Kill him.
Bitches and moans to the point you have such a headache you want to punch a newborn? Kill him.
I've had the pleasure of having many a ransom and continue to honor such. Even us Pirates have some honor. That's pretty much it. Because of these few cases, I will just self-destruct the ship, even if it's worth 500m and they ask for a 50m ransom. This doesn't just ruin it for the dishonorable pirate, but all pirates. I used to test integrity in wow by handing out people in my guild 2000 gold each when they first join. I tell them it's a loan, and they can pay it back whenever, or never, No payment plan, no agreement, just put it back when you can. It's that leap of faith which garnered respect, as you say. I don't think anyone ever took the gold and never returned it, there are plenty of honorable people out there. However; I do believe you should disclose the names of other dishonorable pirates, I don't see the point of defending 'off my shoe scum'.
First integrity and Piracy kinda are polar opposites. We lie, cheat, steal etc etc so by all logic you should expect to be scammed. However like I explained earlier it's not lucrative.
Sure you may have a faction mod on your ship but if it goes pop there goes my profit margin. And really comparing a loan in wow to something in Eve is well loose at best.
You don't risk having everything in the guild stolen or burned to the ground from insiders who may want nothing except that.
Also another factor is interaction. I enjoy opening chat with some poor dying soul watching his ship writhe in flames as I casually check the toons age, stats etc as well as the ship itself.
Now two things may happen. Or well three. Either 1 the person is so desperate he'll throw isk at me (a missioner, new player etc) or 2 will as you stated refuse to pay or self destruct. And my particular favorite is 3. Kick and scream and hurl so many insults in one paragraph I log it and post it as a juicy mail in corp before said insect goes kaboom.
Also no. I don't keep tabs on other Pirates like that and there are a few out there I fly with or have flown with who could care less.
Me there's nothing quite intoxicating as having someone beg for mercy, see that isk flow and have the power to unclick that warp disruptor and watch them limp away knowing that at any moment I could have ended their little adventure.
Oh and yeah people tend to pay up more if they got shiny **** in their head.
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Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
42
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Posted - 2012.05.17 06:41:00 -
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Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:Orly Rly wrote:[quote=Tara Read]I know of a few people who shall not be named who do not honor ransoms. Seems the old days of Python and the Black Rabbits are few and far between. I may rustle a few feathers when I say this but you are scum if you don't honor a ransom.
[SNIP]
However; I do believe you should disclose the names of other dishonorable pirates, I don't see the point of defending 'off my shoe scum'. Agreed, although it's still not going to matter if they say they honor ransoms or not; Until there's a real trend of pirates beginning to honor their word, if you try to ransom me, you get a self-destruct.
There are sadly few true Pirates left in Eve. it's all about damned killboards, or stats, or something of that nature. I remember my first ransom. I was shaking with excitement as I found some poor bastard in a belt ratting and he paid up. A mere 10 million isk.
I've gotten ransoms as high as hundreds of millions though those are maybe once in a blue blue moon. And it's gotta be like a Hulk or an Orca or some n00b in a shiny not even 3 months old who bought a PLEX.
Sad thing is I MISS ransoming people. I had one guy off a gate a couple weeks ago cry out "how much!" to our gang but before we could stop firing he popped. Darn new T3' BC's and their Battleship sized guns... |
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