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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
476
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:26:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:This OP is a PERFECT example of why this game is a joke.
Get something else to do with your time. Quit this game without waiting one more minute.
FINAL = You are playing with real people folks, so think outside your little Sandbox PVP crap and try to make the game more enjoyable for the players you interact with. If you find joy in pissing people off as this OP did, you have a mental disorder and need professional help.
Peace..... and I love every one of you with all of my heart...truly!!!
Get a grip, you sound like a pansy. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
6
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:39:00 -
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James 315 wrote: ...
Before I announce my verdict, I would like to address the concerns of some cynical players who believe that I never intended to reimburse the miner, and that this is some kind of "show trial." Let me be clear. I value my honour above all else. I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character, and aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack.
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- 315
Words are air, it's actions that speak.
You have no honour.
Nice take though. I would have kept it. |
ClimClomClue
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:40:00 -
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I've always felt envy towards people like the op. Unlike him, I wouldn't be able to treat like a fool someone whom I beated in a game and brag about my cynicism in a forum. My in-game business would go much better. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
114
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:43:00 -
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A bragging NPC alt talking about carebears? Wow. |
lanyaie
286
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:44:00 -
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Uhmm erh....
Trolling eve-o Is my job sir, not yours because you seriously suck at it now go back to doing your usual fail-pirate stuff. I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
262
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:16:00 -
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This is why you should never EVER pay a ransom. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1459
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:17:00 -
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Karbowiak wrote:zero fucks were given..
This. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
163
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:23:00 -
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I read the first paragraph and stopped.
OP, you live in high sec and gank miners. Congrats, you suck at EVE. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:23:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:A bragging NPC alt talking about carebears? Wow.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=52796
NPC alt? eh |
Velator Lover
Army of Caldari Elitists
1
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:45:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Let me be clear. I value my honour above all else. I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character.
The first sentence I quoted above is not true-you have no honor whatsoever. None.
The second sentence I quoted above is the only honest thing you have said or done at all in this situation. Even CCP reimburses for mistakes in adding an extra 0 in a market order causing overpayment of market order charges. It is very easy to do, especially in a high stress situation.
Your justification is ridiculous and obscene. Just admit you are a scumbag and move on. This is Eve after all, we expect scum in the game. You are just part of Eve and what makes this game unique. But your justification to hold on to your so-called "honor" is laughable.
Unless of course you already recognize you have no honor and your justification is a joke and just part of your overall scumbaggery, then it fits you. |
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:46:00 -
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James 315 wrote:This weekend a controversial incident occurred in which I asked an orca pilot to pay a 90 million isk ransom and he sent me 900 million instead. Since he failed to pay what I asked, I was forced to kill his orca, the hulk he had parked alongside, and his pod, with damages totaling over 2 billion isk. However, he insisted that overpayment of a ransom should count as paying it, and we engaged in an extended discussion about whether my actions were honourable, and whether some reparations should be paid. Since I was not aware of any custom or precedent establishing the idea that overpayments satisfy ransom demands, the miner and I agreed the matter should be brought before his peers on this forum. He created a thread describing what occurred ( found here) and opened the floor to the general public to weigh in on the situation. Upon request, evidence of the incident including API-verified killmails and screenshots were provided. The debate in that thread has wound down, and I believe it has served its purpose. I have created this thread to avoid the outcome being buried in pages of previous replies, and to serve as a reference point for future use: I believe this is the first time the issue has been raised, so we're establishing some precedent here. The options presented me were essentially as follows: A. Keep everything, pay the miner nothing. B. Return the excess ransom (900m - 90m each for the orca and hulk). C. Return the excess ransom and reimburse the miner for the value of the ships/pod that should have been let go. Before I announce my verdict, I would like to address the concerns of some cynical players who believe that I never intended to reimburse the miner, and that this is some kind of "show trial." Let me be clear. I value my honour above all else. I am among those who believe that one's actions in EVE reflect upon one's real-life character, and aside from stealing 30 billion in the Currin Trading scam I have always sought to maintain the highest level of integrity and fairness throughout my EVE career. When my reputation is on the line, and when people question my commitment to the code of Bushido, I take it as seriously as a heart attack. Therefore, I want to stress that I did not come to this decision lightly. I gave this a lot of thought, and I am well aware that since this is a matter of first impression (to my knowledge), my decision here will have an impact on the future conduct of space piracy. To that end, I will provide a detailed justification for my verdict. Without further ado, my judgment is as follows: I have decided to keep all of the isk, and I will not reimburse the miner for any of the losses he incurred when I destroyed his ships/implants. Again, I would like to caution readers against assuming that I am being guided by selfishness or the desire to grief. This is not a case of "because I said so"; I believe one's actions should always be guided by enlightened reason. My verdict is based upon four separate grounds, which are as follows: #1. Public opinion. The miner and I agreed that we would put this issue to the forum. While some posters expressed a feeling that reimbursement was appropriate, the majority felt I should keep the isk and destroy a miner's ship regardless of whether he paid a ransom. A persuasive case was made by some that the miner was tempting fate by mining during Hulkageddon, and that his orca was fail-fit. #2. Failure to follow instructions. I specifically demanded the miner pay me a ransom of 90 million isk for each ship. He did not follow that instruction. Although the miner claimed it was a mistake, I gave him ample time to correct his mistake when I asked him again to send me the proper amount. It was only after he refused that I killed his ships and podded him. #3. Mathematical destiny. When a ship is destroyed, its modules (aside from rigs) have a 50% chance of dropping. Over the years, I have noticed that the "drop lottery" has tended to disfavor me. For some reason, it seems that the more valuable mods tend not to drop. Just a couple weeks ago, I killed a hulk with a faction invulnerability field worth about 400 million. Do you think it dropped? Of course not. But according to the law of large numbers, I shouldn't expect this kind of bad luck to continue. When the miner sent me 900 million by mistake, this was most likely an act of fate, balancing out all of my bad luck from before. I am therefore entitled to the isk. #4. Highsec miners must all be destroyed. As I explained in my recent manifestos, highsec miners pose an existential threat to EVE. By endlessly demanding nerfs to highsec violence and redistributing wealth from nullsec, the miners have caused extraordinary damage to EVE. If they are allowed to continue nerfing non-consensual PvP, they will remove EVE's central purpose, and CCP will go out of business. To save EVE from that fate, we must reduce the power of the carebears by reducing their numbers, and this is accomplished by making highsec mining less profitable--by causing economic damage to the miners and increasing the risk of their profession. The simple fact is that the miner I killed was caught red-handed taking ore from a belt in highsec. It may not be against the EULA to do this, but it is a counter-revolutionary act for which I have absolutely no patience. Once he trained his mining laser on that first chunk of ore, he forfeited all of his rights. I hope that everyone can respect this decision. Regardless, it is final. - 315
I've heard of misplaced anger, but this is insanity.
My RL self feels sorry for you. All this creativity, but so so stupid and purposeless. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:53:00 -
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Personal marketing detected.
It would sound better to just assume it was never the intention to honour the ransom, looks cooler this way and it trully adheres to the pirates profile, where the victim really dont know if the ransom will be honoured or not, because.... pirates.
Its obvious that 900 million pays for 180millions, so obviously his ships would be destroyed anyway. Even I can see that 90m<>900 i sa pretty lame argument unless meant to troll someone in this context :P
Poor miner, lol, scammed and made a fool in forums to a greater audience.
Peace. ~ 10.058 ~
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Nate Guralman
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:59:00 -
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I'm not familiar with you, James 315, so I can't tell if you're trolling or not (I suspect yes, but you can never really be sure).
In the event that you're not, then you don't know what honor means. The ransom was met, and then some, and you exploded him anyway. As far as I'm concerned, anything you say is a potential scam or lie, and I would not trust you, even if you were only role-playing being a pirate.
Note that there's nothing inherently wrong with what you've done. Taking a ransom and not honoring it is a valid form of play in EVE, and I support that (even though I would not partake in that activity myself). But if you're truly, honestly wanting to be honorable, you have failed miserably in this case.
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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
15
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:03:00 -
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That is not how I see it. James315 did not get paid what he asked for and was put in a position that would compromise his principles. It is not his fault the miner couldn't count properly. [/quote]
Actually, leaving aside the TERRIBLY STUPID excuse he made up for asploding the miner (which was as unnecessary as this whole thread), he DID in fact get 90 millions, fair and square.
The fact that he received an additional 810 millions does not invalidate the fact that the ransom was paid in full.
Also, he NEVER asked for EXACTLY 90 millions. He asked for 90 millions, which he got, and then he proceeded to kill the miner.
Crap talk about high standards? Bragging about past scams? Bleh. Boring and pointless.
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Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:55:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:That's a long way of saying, "I'm greedy. I'm keeping it." You could have saved all the typing. We all figured you would. That you felt it necessary to justify it in such lengthy terms means, you KNOW it's wrong, but you're doing it anyway. Once you agreed to free him for a price, and got overpaid and used that as an excuse to kill him anyway...we knew of what ilk you are. I wholly endorse this product and/or service.
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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:58:00 -
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A pirate should always honor a ransom. A typo of adding an extra 0 is paying the ransom. You're being a douchebag over semantics. You know as well as I do that people have a lot of vested interest in this game. You didn't just kill a spaceship pilot, you ruined the day (week) of a real life person. It's one thing to lose a ship, thats part of the game, getting scammed/cheated/tricked out of a large portion of your assets is a different thing. So just know as you count your internet space money, you caused real life unhappiness for a REAL person. Actions on the internet have effects in real life. You are both an internet and a real life douche, I feel sorry for those who need to interact with you on a daily basis. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
58
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:11:00 -
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So,
If I borrow $10 from a mate and give him back $20, you're saying that I still owe him $10?
or
You buy something from a shop, it comes with a free gift you didn't ask for, so the shop still owe you the item on its own as well as the one with the free gift?
I think your logic sucks, but you are who you are, so that's to be expected.
P.S. Your need to pretend that you have some sort of honor by making a huge troll post is probably more pathetic than just taking the ISK and shooting them after they paid the ransom. |
MeestaPenni
Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent
248
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:33:00 -
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I nominate the opening post of this thread as the most pathetic tl'dr ever........ Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore. |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:10:00 -
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Malice Redeemer wrote:noonecares
When I first read the miner's tears and hit the part where he explained that he died because he didn't pay the "correct ransom" I urinated myself.
My pants deeply care. We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
120
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:26:00 -
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James 315 wrote: #2. Failure to follow instructions. I specifically demanded the miner pay me a ransom of 90 million isk for each ship. He did not follow that instruction.
lolwut? |
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looMin uS
Aegis Coalition Logistics Dark Legion Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:59:00 -
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This. Is. EvE.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1882
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:04:00 -
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Expected and entirely appropriate response for the character you wish to portray.
A poor choice if you wanted any future ransom demands to be taken seriously though.
Pirates all over New Eden that actually bother with ransoms are probably not very happy with you at the moment, not that you likely care.
I doubt you'll have anyone actually pay you again, which is probably a non-issue from your point of view. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
335
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:13:00 -
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Who cares, play on. |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
23
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:14:00 -
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The amount of time you spend writing forum posts is somewhat frightening. You might want to seek help. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
335
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:15:00 -
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I switched off when you started to ramble on about "honourable". |
Linistitul
Red Killer Star
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:27:00 -
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The jury is in, VERDICT: Re-tar-ded. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
335
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:28:00 -
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Linistitul wrote:The jury is in, VERDICT: Re-tar-ded.
Oh, I thought that was just one word. I've been saying it wrong. |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
103
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:30:00 -
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I think the OP is the same kind of person who returns meal to the kitchen multiple times because the order wasn't "quite right". |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
150
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:44:00 -
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I don't really care that you can't face targets that can shoot back I'm just bored of you trying to dress it up as some great crusade in order to justify yourself. |
Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:58:00 -
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James 315 you acted with the highest honor, and are a true testament to the living will of Bushido that strengthens the resolve of all true warriors. Did not the venerable Musashi Miyamoto himself write, "The true Way of battle is the craft of defeating the enemy in a fight, and nothing other than this."
Would it have been honorable to allow the miner to suffer in his disgrace to leave him wounded upon the field? Would It have been honorable to allow the weak to flourish at the expense of the strong? Would it have been honorable to soil your convictions through false pity for the unworthy?
Of course any warrior of conscience knows the answer in his heart. He knows the cleansing fire that liberated this miner's soul. If in the release of his ego from the trappings of the material he has glimpsed the divine Nirvanna has John 315 not acted as the blessed Buddha himself?
I name him Amidah Buddha of the pure land of New Eden. Embrace his wisdom in your heart. Release your ego it gives you only false joy. Embrace the cleansing fire of purification for all suffering is born from desire. |
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