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Drasta Septim
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:41:00 -
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I would like to propose the idea of a small salvage drone. It would be very useful for Battlecruiser and bigger ships. After a long fight with wrecks scatterd all over the area with many kilometers distance between them it's really boring if you have to fly to each and every wreck to loot and salvage it. Especialy with battleships, because they are no really that fast. It would be nice to have such a drone for salvaging and if you destroyed the target too also loot it for you and then return to our dronebay and put everything it looted into your cargohold.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:16:00 -
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Firstly, it's not possible due to various technical issues.
secondly, missions are easy and profitable enough already. In fact, they're too easy and too profitable. Allowing them to be salvaged even faster would be ridiculous.
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Ekeim
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Posted - 2009.06.04 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Firstly, it's not possible due to various technical issues.
secondly, missions are easy and profitable enough already. In fact, they're too easy and too profitable. Allowing them to be salvaged even faster would be ridiculous.
It's kind of frustrating how EVE's economic well being and stability necessitates the existence of long stretches of shuffling around ships. Ignoring the economic impact, there's no real reason this couldn't be worked out technically. Time spent swapping/relocating ships is boring.
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.06.04 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ekeim Ignoring the economic impact
You can't do that without ruining Eve. It's all about the economy.
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Ekeim
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Posted - 2009.06.04 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lear Hepburn
Originally by: Ekeim Ignoring the economic impact
You can't do that without ruining Eve. It's all about the economy.
I wasn't suggesting that we do, simply commenting that it's a shame certain (and arguably) undesirable mechanics are required to maintain the current economic state.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/06/2009 16:57:11
Quote: It's kind of frustrating how EVE's economic well being and stability necessitates the existence of long stretches of shuffling around ships. Ignoring the economic impact, there's no real reason this couldn't be worked out technically. Time spent swapping/relocating ships is boring.
You are in no way required to shuffle around ships. Rebuy them at the new location, or repackage them and dump them in a freighter. Or, fly smaller ships and put them in an orca.
It's not supposed to be quick or easy to move ships around in EVE. EVE gameplay depends on the fact that the universe is large and moving stuff around, like fully-fit/rigged battleships, isn't easy.
If you can't handle this, fly cruisers/frigs and get an orca. Or, get a carrier. One of the benefits of small ships is their strategic mobility...that is, how fast they can go multiple jumps, and how easy they are to transport. You choose to fly the least mobile class and then ***** that it can't be moved just as easily as a frigate.
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Ekeim
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Posted - 2009.06.05 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/06/2009 19:23:53 Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/06/2009 16:57:11
Quote: It's kind of frustrating how EVE's economic well being and stability necessitates the existence of long stretches of shuffling around ships. Ignoring the economic impact, there's no real reason this couldn't be worked out technically. Time spent swapping/relocating ships is boring.
Salvaging isn't supposed to be free loots. If you don't like salvaging, then continue to run missions.
I prefer exploration to mission running. There's more moving around involved and WH space is more fun anyway.
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.05 02:05:00 -
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I always wondered why they never had em..... salvaging takes a **** ton of time up.... To all the haters out there....yeah perhaps you should have to work for it, but salvaging is god awful boring..... boring! This is as of now my biggest grip with eve...the long periods of do nothingness.... More to the point to all the haters that are angry at people that even remotely pve... or do something other than what they approve of. Games are suppose to be entertainment!! Perhaps things can't always but PEW PEW all the time, but boring useless aspects should be worked towards removal.
What they should do for mining and salvaging is add a "mini" game to it so when you're actually present in front of the keyboard you have a greater chance to procure more salvage/minerals or rarer ones.
I guarantee you the main reason people leave EVE is due to the tedious time consuming aspects of eve like travel, salvaging, etc etc. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.05 02:56:00 -
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Quote: I always wondered why they never had em..... salvaging takes a **** ton of time up.... To all the haters out there....yeah perhaps you should have to work for it, but salvaging is god awful boring..... boring! This is as of now my biggest grip with eve...the long periods of do nothingness.... More to the point to all the haters that are angry at people that even remotely pve... or do something other than what they approve of. Games are suppose to be entertainment!! Perhaps things can't always but PEW PEW all the time, but boring useless aspects should be worked towards removal.
Salvaging is a profession for salvagers, not missionrunners.
No one is forcing you to salvage your missions. |
SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.05 05:23:00 -
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^^^^
What exactly do you salvage again that hasn't already blown up? I've never heard of any salvage missions in which a giant trash field or some such needed to be cleaned up.
Or maybe all the salvage you get from mining afterwar..... wait...
Or all the pvper's they love to salvage stuff!!! Oh wait **** still needs to get blown up first. |
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Ultranoia
Temple of THEM
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Posted - 2009.06.05 05:29:00 -
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Myself I specialize in salvaging, rig manufacture and reprocessing of looted materials.
Salvaging is a mini-profession all of its own, and can be likened to mining, as it is founded upon the acquiring of materials needed in specialist manufacturing (i.e rigs.)
These kind of suggestions to minimize the effort and time thru using some sort of automated lootdrones seems more often than not to be built upon the narrow perspective of the mission runner.
As reapeated ad infinitum: salvage is not intrinsically bound to missions.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.05 06:54:00 -
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Quote:
What exactly do you salvage again that hasn't already blown up? I've never heard of any salvage missions in which a giant trash field or some such needed to be cleaned up.
Or maybe all the salvage you get from mining afterwar..... wait...
Or all the pvper's they love to salvage stuff!!! Oh wait **** still needs to get blown up first.
Yes. The job of the salvager is to clean up the wrecks after they have been blown up. The act of roaming around ,looking for wrecks, and salvaging them in a fast, agile ship is actually rather fun. It's missionrunners who solely use it to supplement their already bloated income that see the issue.
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Ekeim
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Posted - 2009.06.05 07:18:00 -
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On the topic of salvaging in general, missions aren't the only source of wrecks. I feel that missions are the worst possible situation to bother bringing up when it comes to salvage drones. Usually you're missioning in one spot for a while and your salvage ship is right there anyway. Still annoying, but not as bad as salvaging exploration content. Exploration has you moving quite a bit and is imo a better example of why shuffling a salvage ship between systems is a boring time sink. If you could load a couple of salv drones onto a ship with a minimal drone bay that doesn't count on drones as a damage source like with many non-drone boats it would cut down on the back and forth. Sleepers are a good example of this. They have no bounties and drop non-player usable items that sell to npc buy orders that are disproportionately low to the difficulty and risk in killing them. Salvage is THE reason to kill them at all.
On the topic of mission salvaging, If the wrecks don't belong to the missioner, then do not add salvage into isk/hr estimates on what missioning makes.
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Inturist
The Spirit of War RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2009.06.05 08:47:00 -
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Interesting , but if u will check here and will look under the drones , u will c
Drones Drones level 4 Salvage Drone Operation Salvage Drone Operation level 1 2 skills trained for a total of 46,255 skillpoints
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:21:00 -
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Fair enough salvaging isn't just for mission runners...however I never said as much. I just used the example of mission salavage after the fact. The point is salvaging on a larger scale takes considerable time in which a person basically just right clicks from wreck to wreck. Which isn't very exciting/thrilling. The point being it's a game which are in fact suppose to be entertaining... Let us consider one thing though...most salvage comes from people running missions!!! So stop the hate just because you're angry at what some of us choose to do. And play the game to our own liking.
As a side note...you get better salvage off player wrecks. _________________________ "You know how I know you're a nerd?"
What the frak are you talking about?
"You make it so easy"
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:34:00 -
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Salvage drones were never fully introduced because of technical problems with the way that drones work in the eve database. If the drones picked up salvage and brought it back to your ship, if your cargo was full the items simply disappeared and CCP wasn't happy with that so they were never introduced.
My assumption is that it would take an entire overhaul of everything drone related just to add Salvage drones, which add an entirely new set of looting rights/problems and balancing isk/hour. All of which CCP doesn't want to deal with just to appease a few people with some new drones.
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