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Ja'kar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:08:00 -
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I am 5'11 35yo and 17odd stone
want to burn fat and build mussle I just want to know what is good for burning fat of my belly
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BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar I am 5'11 35yo and 17odd stone
want to burn fat and build mussle I just want to know what is good for burning fat of my belly
Thanks
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Ja'kar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:15:00 -
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well I used to run but am worried that while am this heavy it might damage my knees etc |
Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar well I used to run but am worried that while am this heavy it might damage my knees etc
Swim and bike. Start running when you're more comfortable. Get some advice from a Physical training instructor at a gym or college.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:47:00 -
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If you live anywhere near water, rowing will exercise pretty much every muscle in your body evenly. This is good if you want to avoid agony.
By the way, muscle weighs more than fat. So if your aim is to actually lose weight (as opposed to becoming more fit), you'd probably be better off just cutting down on the beer and pork pies. I realise this is easier said than done. ____________________
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:50:00 -
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Sit-ups and crunches.
You cannot directly control at which areas of your body your fat will burn up, but when you want your belly to be in a better shape then you need to train the muscles of your belly of course. This may be the hardest part for you to do if your belly has the shape of a pregnant whale and you have never trained these muscles before.
Swimming is a good start. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Da'iel Zehn
Construct Core Operations Construct Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly ...I realise this is easier said than done.
That is the truth my friend... --
DZ's website
Got a problem? Talk to my gun.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Sit-ups and crunches.
You cannot directly control at which areas of your body your fat will burn up, but when you want your belly to be in a better shape then you need to train the muscles of your belly of course. This may be the hardest part for you to do if your belly has the shape of a pregnant whale and you have never trained these muscles before.
Swimming is a good start.
The trouble with that is that he'll be building up muscle in one localised part of the body. The rest of the body doesn't have the strength to deal with the force those muscles will eventually be able to exert. Eventually (assuming he keeps at it long enough), something will give and he'll end up in agony for several days.
This has happened to me before. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
A second point is that sit-ups and crunches will build up muscle in the belly, but burn fat more or less evenly. This will cause muscle to build up underneath the fat, which will make him look even more bloated than before. ____________________
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Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.04 22:12:00 -
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If you want to lose fat in one particular area you need to lose fat all over. It is, so they say, impossible to locally destroy fat. You'll just have to do a general fitness thing. Eat right, exercise properly.
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.04 22:25:00 -
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Takes a complete lifestyle change, as soon as you stop it will all come back rather fast
Originally by: darkrei9n
Because Minmatar ships smell like garbage, Amarr ships smell like incense and that stuff, Caldari ships smell like a hospital, and Gallente ships smell like French people.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.05 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Sit-ups and crunches.
Incorrect.
Very few, if anyone, can do enough sit-ups and crunches for a long enough period of time to significantly breakdown fat. Spot reduction only works on the greater scale. Ie. doing cardiovascular activities typically involves the legs foremost then the arms, therefore that is why the legs and arms trim up first and then the mid line last. But if you do, say boxing, at a significant level then yes all that abdominal movement would create a situation where the abdominals are working at a cardiovascular level and they would utilize fat from that area, but crunches and situps are extremely hard to do at the intensity for the duration required to significantly put a dent into abdominal fat stores.
First thing to remember is that in 1 pound of fat there is 3500 calories to roughly 7700 cal per kilogram. That means to loose one pound a week you need to create a 500 calorie deficit daily or 1100 cal deficit to loose one kilo weekly. That comes out to 75-100 minutes of cardiovascular activity daily for newer participants since they will be going at lower intensities therefore having to increase time to compensate for the lower intensities, which is better for ensuring they behavior changes since you do not get as sore. 45-60 minutes daily for advanced individuals to maintain and eat pretty much what they want
It takes 20-30 minutes of cardiovascular activity for the body to realize that the carbohydrate levels are dropping to a point that the body wants to start preserving those for vital body functions (red blood cell production and nervous system function) so then it then turns over to burning fat.
The best option is to start out slowly and to maximize the time you do cardio at first. Treat your body like a artist would treat a block of stone they were about to carve. Trim off all the unwanted stuff first then worry about creating the definition. You will become proportionately stronger due to the weight loss and you will be able to see the muscle growth as it occurs.
If you can not hold of on the weight training till the weight is in a better place make sure you do a 5 minute warm up then do the weights (which will burn carbohydrates primarily) so when you go and do your cardio last you will not have to wait 30 minutes to start primarily burning fat since the weight training already put a solid dent in the carb stores so the body will start conserving them sooner into the cardio workout.
So in reality, at max, lift weights no more then 3 days a week and no longer then 40 minutes. On the days you lift weights do 30-45 minutes of cardio afterwards. On days that you do not lift weights you want to get up to 75-90 minutes of cardio to make sure you get a similar fat burn off as you would on a weights day.
All in all people should be working out at a vigorous level for 60-90 minutes a day to loose weight and once you are in a maintenance phase 60 minutes a day.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 05/06/2009 10:29:24 For every stupid too dumb to read, do I repeat:
Sit-ups and crunches.
If it is his belly he is most concerned about, then these exercises will help him to define the shape of the belly area.
And swimming is a good start. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 05/06/2009 10:29:24 For every stupid too dumb to read, do I repeat:
Sit-ups and crunches.
If it is his belly he is most concerned about, then these exercises will help him to define the shape of the belly area.
And swimming is a good start.
You're the one who didn't read. Myself and Slade both gave valid reasons why your suggestion sucks.
Now stop trolling and get back under your bridge. ____________________
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:34:00 -
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I totally stand by my suggestion for the last ****** that tried to lose weight on the eve forums... don't eat for a week and you'll see a difference
Originally by: darkrei9n
Because Minmatar ships smell like garbage, Amarr ships smell like incense and that stuff, Caldari ships smell like a hospital, and Gallente ships smell like French people.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 05/06/2009 10:45:50 And I repeat again:
Sit-ups and crunches.
If it is his belly he is most concerned about, then these exercises will help him to define the shape of the belly area.
And swimming is a good start.
I will repeat my comment until it sinks in. It shall serve as an exercise for the dumb and the stupid and to train their intelligence.
@Intense Thinker: Nothing wrong with eating less. You are absolutely right. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 05/06/2009 10:49:43 And I repeat again:
Sit-ups and crunches.
If it is his belly he is most concerned about, then these exercises will help him to define the shape of the belly area.
And swimming is a good start.
I will repeat my comment until it sinks in. It shall serve as an exercise for the dumb and the stupid to train their intelligence.
Indeed, a very well argued point. Your debating skills astound and amaze me sir.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 05/06/2009 10:49:43 And I repeat again:
Sit-ups and crunches.
If it is his belly he is most concerned about, then these exercises will help him to define the shape of the belly area.
And swimming is a good start.
I will repeat my comment until it sinks in. It shall serve as an exercise for the dumb and the stupid to train their intelligence.
Indeed, a very well argued point. Your debating skills astound and amaze me sir.
Indeed, one simply cannot top the old "brute force repetition" argument, old chum. ____________________
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib Indeed, a very well argued point. Your debating skills astound and amaze me sir.
You are welcome, sir! |
sp3cial forc3s
0ne Man 0ne P3ni5 The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:56:00 -
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DRUGS....LOADS OF THEM!!!!!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: sp3cial forc3s DRUGS....LOADS OF THEM!!!!!
Alcohol is a drug, and beer contains alcohol. Will drinking copious amounts of beer help get rid of a beer belly? ____________________
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: sp3cial forc3s DRUGS....LOADS OF THEM!!!!!
Alcohol is a drug, and beer contains alcohol. Will drinking copious amounts of beer help get rid of a beer belly?
It is well documented in many Beer commercails that it won't matter because snow bunnies and bikini clad chicks will be all over you. The grotesque is clearly hot. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 05/06/2009 17:03:38
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 05/06/2009 10:49:43 And I repeat again:
Sit-ups and crunches.
If it is his belly he is most concerned about, then these exercises will help him to define the shape of the belly area.
And swimming is a good start.
I will repeat my comment until it sinks in. It shall serve as an exercise for the dumb and the stupid to train their intelligence.
@Intense Thinker: Nothing wrong with eating less. You are absolutely right.
I will continue to reiterate that you sir are incorrect and unless you can match these following qualifications then you need to bow out.
NATABOC ATC
NSCA CSCS
ACSM Certified Clinical Exercise Physiologist - which requires a Masters degree in the field
So once again if you want to really get rid of that belly fat do cardiovascualar activity that incorporates whole body movements, ie circuit training, boxing/sparing, or just mimic the movements while doing basic cardio. Doing just crunches and sit ups will just overdevelop the rectus abdomimus and increase the potential for low back issues. If you want to do propper core work that is fine but just doing situps and crunches will never be the whole answer.
EDIT: Form an evolutionary standpoint the belly region is the hardest and the last region to loose fat. It is stored there to keep the internal organ warm in times of cold and since most cardiovascular work is created by leg and arm work the body will not go to the belly source for fat burning until the fat close to the leg and arm regions are used up. As I stated before just doing crunches and sit ups to loose fat is nigh impossible. Try doing 3500 calories of crunches and situps and see how long you last. Remmebring that 3500 calories is the amount of calories in one pound of fat.
A few examples of caloric expenditure.
According to this fairly reasonable caloric expenditure calculator I would have to do 60 minutes of backpacking at 180 pounds to burn off 480 calories. Good luck doing crunches and sit ups to equal that much energy expenditure.
Slade
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon I will continue to reiterate that you sir are incorrect and unless you can match these following qualifications then you need to bow out.
NATABOC ATC
NSCA CSCS
ACSM Certified Clinical Exercise Physiologist - which requires a Masters degree in the field
Do you also have a certificate in reading? If not, then I fear that I need to explain it to you ...
I speak of the shape of the belly. I did not speak of the fat of the belly.
As you know is the shape not defined only by its skin or the fat beneath it, but by the muscles, too. In fact your back plays an important role, too. Give this some thought, please? -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Slade Trillgon I will continue to reiterate that you sir are incorrect and unless you can match these following qualifications then you need to bow out.
NATABOC ATC
NSCA CSCS
ACSM Certified Clinical Exercise Physiologist - which requires a Masters degree in the field
Do you also have a certificate in reading? If not, then I fear that I need to explain it to you ...
I speak of the shape of the belly. I did not speak of the fat of the belly.
As you know is the shape not defined only by its skin or the fat beneath it, but by the muscles, too. In fact your back plays an important role, too. Give this some thought, please?
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Kyguard
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 05/06/2009 10:49:43 And I repeat again:
Sit-ups and crunches.
If it is his belly he is most concerned about, then these exercises will help him to define the shape of the belly area.
And swimming is a good start.
I will repeat my comment until it sinks in. It shall serve as an exercise for the dumb and the stupid to train their intelligence.
@Intense Thinker: Nothing wrong with eating less. You are absolutely right.
Sit ups and crunches will develop muscle under the fat of the belly. The exercises or any exercise on the abs is not effective and can't be used solely to burn fat in the belly area, you need cardio for that. We are talking about a beer belly here, so we can assume that it's a large one, sit-ups and crunches in this case won't add any definition to the belly area because there is a much larger concentration of fat than muscle. Your suggestion would only work if he had a slight untrained belly. -
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Do you also have a certificate in reading? If not, then I fear that I need to explain it to you ...
I speak of the shape of the belly. I did not speak of the fat of the belly.
As you know is the shape not defined only by its skin or the fat beneath it, but by the muscles, too. In fact your back plays an important role, too. Give this some thought, please?
I comprehende what you said to the point.
To see that shape you must first get rid of that which is covering it up. Therfore cardiovascualr exercise is the most efficient way to accomplish that. You saying all he has to do is "crunches and sit ups" to accomplish what he was asking for help with is incorrect.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard We are talking about a beer belly here, so we can assume that it's a large one, sit-ups and crunches in this case won't add any definition to the belly area because there is a much larger concentration of fat than muscle.
I suggest you read the OP's comment again. He speaks of fat and muscles. I then do not assume, I read. I had my face-palm moment when the first of you responded to my first comment on this thread. I am way ahead of you. Now I am amazed by the amount of stupidity raining down on me. Why is it so hard for you to read and to comprehend a small comment?
The OP writes clearly: "want to burn fat and build mussle"
And because of that do I continue to suggest:
Sit-ups and crunches.
And swimming is a good start. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon To see that shape you must first get rid of that which is covering it up. Therfore cardiovascualr exercise is the most efficient way to accomplish that. You saying all he has to do is "crunches and sit ups" to accomplish what he was asking for help with is incorrect.
I did not say that it is all he has to do. Please read again and quote the line where I write that this is all he needs to do. Instead, did I write several times that swimming is a good start. |
Kyguard
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kyguard on 05/06/2009 19:28:45 Edited by: Kyguard on 05/06/2009 19:25:50
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Kyguard We are talking about a beer belly here, so we can assume that it's a large one, sit-ups and crunches in this case won't add any definition to the belly area because there is a much larger concentration of fat than muscle.
I suggest you read the OP's comment again. He speaks of fat and muscles. I then do not assume, I read. I had my face-palm moment when the first of you responded to my first comment on this thread. I am way ahead of you. Now I am amazed by the amount of stupidity raining down on me. Why is it so hard for you to read and to comprehend a small comment?
The OP writes clearly: "want to burn fat and build mussle"
And because of that do I continue to suggest:
Sit-ups and crunches.
And swimming is a good start.
Now let me point it out for you, "want to burn fat and build mussle"
A second time so we can say you are an idiot if you disagree after this, "want to burn fat and build mussle"
Burn fat and build muscle. What you're suggesting will only build muscle at a very slow pace under a thick amount of fat accumulated over years of consuming beer. It will not burn fat as you are trying to suggest (and even realized you were wrong when you suggested swimming).
Everyone else here, "The Good Guys" have already mentioned that he needs to begin with cardiovascular activity, trim that belly down, and after his body has gotten used to the increased activity in his lifestyle, he can begin ab exercises and training. |
VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 05/06/2009 19:40:31
Originally by: Whitehound Sit-ups and crunches.
You cannot directly control at which areas of your body your fat will burn up, but when you want your belly to be in a better shape then you need to train the muscles of your belly of course. This may be the hardest part for you to do if your belly has the shape of a pregnant whale and you have never trained these muscles before.
Swimming is a good start.
lol. that is not going to make one bit of difference. As you sort of menetioned, it is IMPOSSIBLE to spot reduce fat unless you get liposuction. The area in which you lose fat at what time is determined by genetics.
If you really work your deep abdominals, that will help pull in your gut in very slightly. But situps/crunches aren't going to do that. That will work the rectus abdominus which is pretty ****ing useless as a muscle. You need to work your external and internal obliques and other deep abdominal muscles.
If you are in amazing shape you would be doing squats or something to work your core muscles(a term which usually is meant to include the deep abdominals). If not, you would be doing simpler exercises that focus on breathing technique and posture. Even still, these exercises are not going to change the appearance of your gut very much.
And remember that someone with a six-pack does NOT have extremely powerful/large abdominal muscles, and did not get it from exercising their abs a lot. It just means that they have *very* low body fat. Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym. |
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