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hedfunk
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Posted - 2009.06.05 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: hedfunk on 05/06/2009 08:29:56
 Originally by: Awesome Possum
War of 1812
Spanish - American War
or: How the country with no history wiped the snot off two ex-empires.
You realise America basically lost the 1812 war? Washington got razed to the ground. Not bad considering the British were fighting a war of far more importance. Napoleonic wars.
And by the time of the Spanish-American war, Spain had been no real power for a long time. Spain was at the height of it's empire in the Seventeenth century. It's glory days had been and gone long before the US existed.
Sorry to rain on your parade and all.
NINJA EDIT: The American west is interesting. Have a look at that OP. |
hedfunk
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Posted - 2009.06.05 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 05/06/2009 09:01:23
Originally by: hedfunk
You realise America basically lost the 1812 war? Washington got razed to the ground. Not bad considering the British were fighting a war of far more importance. Napoleonic wars.
And by the time of the Spanish-American war, Spain had been no real power for a long time. Spain was at the height of it's empire in the Seventeenth century. It's glory days had been and gone long before the US existed.
Sorry to rain on your parade and all.
NINJA EDIT: The American west is interesting. Have a look at that OP.
The war was a stalemate, but had the Treat of Ghent been scheduled to take place AFTER the Battle (slaughter) of New Orleans, the course of the war would have been very different and the signing perhaps canceled by the United States.
Speaking of which, Andrew Jackson (later President, and of dueling fame) who conducted the route at New Orleans, is a perfect candidate if the OP is interested in a biography.
Perhaps. But the British were hardly utterly defeated as the post I was replying to suggested. And America backed away from Canada from that point on. The treaty might of perhaps of been different after New Orleans. I can't help but wonder what would of happened if Britain wasnt fighting Napoleon and sent a larger battle force to America. Things might of got interesting ;) |
hedfunk
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Posted - 2009.06.07 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
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Try again. DC was a political target, it had no military relevancy. Or do you forget what happened at Fort McHenry? Baltimore was far more important than DC and British forces got no where.
Add into that the heavy losses endured by the British Navy thanks to America's super-frigates, the losses of the Great Lakes, and the Battle of New Orleans and you have a clear victor of the US.
British land wins at the beginning of the war were due to incompetent militia, basically. Once the regular federal forces were raised, and properly trained, Brits were done.
Edited by: Awesome Possum on 07/06/2009 17:05:03
edit: way to screw up my post CCP, fix your effin boards
Political targets are often the most important ;).
The majority of the Royal Navy, including thier best warships were fighting in Europe. Not to take away the fact America really did have some impressive ships. The Shannon did ok tho  .
Either way, the war was a nominal success in British eyes, American aspirations in Canada ended and the threat of invasion was quelled. Like I said, not bad considering Britain was fighting in the Napoleonic wars at the time. |
hedfunk
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Just as some in the US think that, there are brits who say the 1812 was a draw or nominal british victory.
I've made my opinion known. As for the point about the napoleonic wars going on, if there was no war with france, there more than likely would not have been a war with the USA.
Don't take my statements to be negative of britain's might during that period. I'm a huge fan of the british royal navy's sailing era. I have no doubt that it'll be centuries before there's a period of greater naval battles, than those of Britain vs Everyone during the Napoleonic Wars.
But it was a draw. 
Please refrain from political commentary in your signature. Navigator
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