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Zostera
Minmatar Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:11:00 -
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First up this is a thread to gauge opinion, not an outright expression of my own.
My initial impression of GTC's was "good idea", some of the benefits may be considered as:
Income for players with relatively little time available to play, letting them enjoy the time they have without it all being a grind.
A means to play for free for those with relatively large amounts of time available to play.
A legitimate means to gain isk and a natural counter to online isk dealers.
In principal all of these are a valuable addition to the EvE experience, and offer choice to individual players. However my questions do not relate to individual players, but rather to the use of GTC trading as a means to gaining in game advantage on the larger alliance level. Several "instances" or "rumours" abound regarding alliances purchase of huge quantities of in game assets due to the sale of large numbers of GTC's amounting to tens of thousands of US Dollars. These "rumours" have lead to allegations that the involved parties have tried to "buy EvE". So my questions to the community are:
Do you feel the use of large sums of irl money and sale of large numbers of GTC's offers an unfair in-game advantage in terms of..
Ability to purchase otherwise unnaffordable (based on in game resources) quantities of high value assets such as capital ships, capital pilot characters, and towers.
Grants an unfair advantage in providing "free" resources to use in diplomatic relations, i.e. an offer to provide large quantities of high value assets for co-operation.
If so, how do people feel this could be addressed and effectively policed to prevent irl financial resources un-balancing in-game economics, military power and diplomacy?
Remember, this is a thread to gauge opinion, not an outright expression of one, and my intent is to form an opinion based on the responses of others. I also would not like to see any impact on the individual player in terms of flexibility to purchase reasonable quantities of isk via GTC or play for free.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:20:00 -
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If someone is willing to spend real cash for some in game advantage - let them. Personally, I have better things to do with my cash, like pay bills.
Second, as far as "fairness" of having a lot of RL cash - are you kidding me? If someone has tonnes of cash, which they made fair and square, who is anyone, other than Barak and Co', to tell them it is unfair they have all this money, and can not use it in whatever manner they deem fit?
Socialism is bad, if they got the cash - they can do whatever they want.
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Raekone
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:24:00 -
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Well the isk isn't spawned from thin air, it just changes hands. For an alliance to benefit frmo this they'd have to make sure noone in their alliance buys GTC's from anyone in the same alliance. Sounds hard to control really. |
Sirius Snape
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sirius Snape on 05/06/2009 12:32:56 It all seems balanced.
Really a person who doesn't play that much who uses GTC isk to buy a capital ship isn't going to make much use out of it.
At the end of the day, having spend thousands of dollars on billions of isk isn't an Iwin button.You still need time, skills and capable friends to make progress. |
dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:30:00 -
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I don't see a problem with it, that is of course If the rumours are true. I don't care whether a wealthy alliance is funded by a billionaire paying thousands of minions in free play time for isk, or whether they are funded through an impenetrable and long-standing stranglehold on some desirable 00 space, and also have thousands of minions paying them isk to live there.
It all makes for a more interesting and active game, and the amount of isk that would have to be bought every month, just to match the income of a 'real' big alliance, would make it hard even for an Eve addicted billionaire to justify after a few months. You also can't buy skill or experience, and as you said yourself, there have been allegations that parties have tried to "buy Eve".
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 05/06/2009 13:40:04 I think people who can play EVE for more hours per day than me have an unfair advantage. They can sneak into systems when I'm not looking and set login traps, they can mine rocks while I'm not there, they can farm NPC spawns while I'm not there, they can anchor POS while I'm not there, they can siege my POS when I'm not there, etc.
How do you propose to prevent IRL time resources from unbalancing in-game economics, military power and diplomacy?
No, I do not think that being able to trade GTC/PLEX for ISK "unbalances" the game.
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Humwawa
Gallente Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:49:00 -
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2 issues:
Macrominers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Something must be done against them ! THEY are unbalancing the GTC costs !
It should NOT be possible to speculate with Plexes !!!!! - A plex should NOT be resellable !
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:59:00 -
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GTC's are a GOOD idea! Perhaps one of the most brilliant ones ever. The problem is that anyone can fake a WTB post in the Timecode forum and thus making others belive the price do go up and sell for the higher.
Not many things makes me annoyed in EVE, but the constant rise of the GTC price is one of them and the lack of CCP controlled events tied to it.
Sure free market you'll say, I agree, it is and it acts like it. But it's the lack of control via fake forum posts. Sure, it's the same as scam posts in the sell orders forum. Except this one directly regulates your play time rather than some in-game item.
At least the rise in-game is due to demand and market "take overs", compared to the non-exsisting competative forum whoring in the Timecode forum.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Humwawa Macrominers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Something must be done against them ! THEY are unbalancing the GTC costs !
Citation needed.
I suspect that the hump in PLEX prices a couple of months ago was due to speculation - it didn't last, as the speculators didn't have more money than everyone else in the PLEX market put together.
The more recent rise is likely to be due to the "PLEX for Fest" tickets offer. Since there actually is more demand, the price has risen to suit.
Quote: It should NOT be possible to speculate with Plexes !!!!! - A plex should NOT be resellable !
Why not?
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker If someone is willing to spend real cash for some in game advantage - let them. Personally, I have better things to do with my cash, like pay bills.
Second, as far as "fairness" of having a lot of RL cash - are you kidding me? If someone has tonnes of cash, which they made fair and square, who is anyone, other than Barak and Co', to tell them it is unfair they have all this money, and can not use it in whatever manner they deem fit?
Socialism is bad, if they got the cash - they can do whatever they want.
I think the principal is that most people use games as a means of escapism.
If you're just reminded of how low down the pecking order you are when you're playing a game as well (e.g. by other people with deep RL pockets having a material advantage on the game) then it starts to become less fun.
Personally I think GTCs do upset the balance but they also enable people to play who would otherwise be unable to due to financial burdens (e.g. playing by using ingame ISK to buy PLEXs). That said there is nothing stopping CCP from just seeding PLEXs themselves without the whole "convert RL-money purchased GTC into 2 PLEX" system.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:02:00 -
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Buying isk with real money shoots fair play in the head with a sawed off shotgun.
Twice.....
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Sawny Bean
Xeno Tech Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:49:00 -
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Plexes are mostly a good thing. A nice trade off between players with time vs those with cash but not time. The real unfortunate thing about the new plex system is that it facilitates rmt by those who would farm isk for rl cash.
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amarrsuit
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:15:00 -
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That said there is nothing stopping CCP from just seeding PLEXs themselves without the whole "convert RL-money purchased GTC into 2 PLEX" system.
Hmmmmm.....CCP having high end Rats dropping Plexs? ; p |
Benzaiten Reverse
Caldari Shokei
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Humwawa 2 issues:
Macrominers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Something must be done against them ! THEY are unbalancing the GTC costs !
It should NOT be possible to speculate with Plexes !!!!! - A plex should NOT be resellable !
what the hell have macrominers to do with plex, they always are and allway will be there (at least in those thousands of mmos existing none found way to prevent them).
Everyone is saying how buing plex is wasting of money, but did you try to think about wasting time farming isk ? I bought just few plexes so far, but In time i can make enough Isk to buy 1 plex ingame i can make enough to buy 20 in RL and even learn few new things when doing it. Its not that hard to work few more hours per month and i am playing so little that even cant afford most of skillbooks without buying PLEX or lending isk from someone.
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