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Johan Sabbat
R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.06.06 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Johan Sabbat on 06/06/2009 22:55:20
Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: Johan Sabbat
So your saying you don't like your eve with any risk?
Where do you get that out of what I've said? Sure I like risk.. Other wise I wouldn't live in low sec and do PVP.
Originally by: Mutnin
Yea, I did try Manufacturing, but that ended at the point I realized there were not ME research or copy spots open anywhere in Empire space. So I headed out to Proviblob land to use one of their open slots and got killed in a warp bubble with my BPO's.
No, you don't like the risk that you might lose high value assets when trying to fund your pvp habit.
Risking pennies isn't really risk is it?
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Viginti Tres
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Posted - 2009.06.06 23:05:00 -
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Sorry to hijack this thread, but is there any real reason why I can't use my debit card/paypal to buy PLEX?
It seems so illogical that I can pay for the game, but can't pay the same people for a PLEX.
Just wondering if there is a decent reason behind this. Merely curious...
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.06 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 06/06/2009 23:12:50
Originally by: Johan Sabbat
No, you don't like the risk that you might lose high value assets when trying to fund your pvp habit.
Risking pennies isn't really risk is it?
No, you read that wrong if that's what you think. I just decided the risk wasn't worth the reward if I had to carry BPO's back and forth through null sec, just to find open Copy/ME research slots.
You can read into that what you will, I just decided I didn't want to do it. Part of the reason is after doing reading on the forums, I saw many complaining that they barely made a profit from manufacturing, because of the "minerals are free" crowd.
Being I'm not interesting in making another industry alt, I'm not really going to spend more "grind" time trying to figure out how to nickle and dime my way into making a profit from manufacturing. Not when half the people doing it value their minerals at zero because they mine it themselves.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.06.06 23:13:00 -
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You're doing it wrong.
If you can't find a way to make ISK that you enjoy, you really, really are.
Some decent to great earners that can be fun (won't be for everyone):
Exploration - venture into little-visited lowsec, avoid the occasional pirate and find some nice radar and magnetometric sites. Less repetitive work than missions with the added excitement of doing them in more risky low-sec.
Wormhole exploitation - join up with 3 or 4 friend and find your own little corner of w-space. This will effectively be a private 0.0 environment, which (depending on its regular w-link) can easily match missions for income for less work, and when you're bored find an exit to random 0.0 or lowsec that you can fight in for a day before returning to your home system.
Trading - easily the most lucrative option, and the PVP aspect of which is highly underrated. Manipulating a market into doubling your ISK for you with a few well placed buy and sell orders is very rewarding to some Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.06 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Turiel Demon You're doing it wrong.
If you can't find a way to make ISK that you enjoy, you really, really are.
Some decent to great earners that can be fun (won't be for everyone):
Exploration - venture into little-visited lowsec, avoid the occasional pirate and find some nice radar and magnetometric sites. Less repetitive work than missions with the added excitement of doing them in more risky low-sec.
Wormhole exploitation - join up with 3 or 4 friend and find your own little corner of w-space. This will effectively be a private 0.0 environment, which (depending on its regular w-link) can easily match missions for income for less work, and when you're bored find an exit to random 0.0 or lowsec that you can fight in for a day before returning to your home system.
Trading - easily the most lucrative option, and the PVP aspect of which is highly underrated. Manipulating a market into doubling your ISK for you with a few well placed buy and sell orders is very rewarding to some
Yes, I already live in low sec.. One of the few things I haven't tried is exploitation. It's next on the list. I've talked to a few people that claim they have made a lot doing it.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.06 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 06/06/2009 23:44:07
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Yes, as I mentioned above in some of the other posts, I just don't get into doing missions.. I do however have a dual stabbed/nannoed punisher set up with 4 salvagers. I use it when there is nothing going on in FW.
Depends. T2 wrecks have a -10% salvage chance. You need Salvaging III to even attempt to salvage, but even then you only have a 5% chance per salvager per cycle. Unfortunately, salvaging after PVP battles isn't very lucrative if you can't. However, salvaging t2 wrecks is very lucrative...a single piece of t2 salvage can be worth upwards of 15 million.
Ninjasalvaging is actually probing down people running missions and salvaging behind them, though that might not be an option if you have a low sec status. No t2 salvage, but lots and lots and lots of easy-access t1 salvage.
Anyway, you might want to try production again with the links I showed above.
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Mioelnir
Minmatar Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2009.06.07 02:01:00 -
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Those tedious 6 hours of mining are exactly was gives losses in EVE meaning.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.06.07 02:05:00 -
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hi cat here
i will tell you a secret! i actually like strategy games lol, things like sim city, and transport tycoon especially. i like transport tycoon because i have to manage my resources, set up good lines and all sorts like that!
i obviously shoot lots of things in this game but i also do other things like building up my empire! it is a slow burn process but it has paid off so far and i continue to stoke the slow burn
sometimes if i just want to shoot stuff over and over and just respawn then i play TF2
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Maisha Libo
Caldari Stupid Piwats
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Posted - 2009.06.07 03:52:00 -
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hi dog 'with me' here
sic'em boy!
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Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.07 03:52:00 -
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For some people it's their 1st job. Sadly. And comedically.
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StealthGerbils
Advanced Component Research Enterprise
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Posted - 2009.06.07 04:27:00 -
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that is why i moon mine. i have to mess with stuff like once every 3 days and i make 50m isk a day basically doing nothing. and my chain is considered pretty bad by moon chain standards. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.07 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu This is why I'm a corp thief. Now excuse me while I count my money oh wait I can't because it's infinite.
right, but almost no one is as good as you |
MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.07 06:25:00 -
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T1 Manufacturing. Train up production efficiency V, find a friend with a research POS, get some ammo BPOs, ME them up, buy or mine the mins. Once the Job is in you can wander off and do other things while you wait for it to bake.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.06.07 07:26:00 -
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Find things that are fun to do but make isk as a by-product.
I like baiting people into fights in highsec, then watching them cry about it, so I ninja salvage. I get an occasional fight/tears at best, and 10 - 40m for an hours worth of work at worst.
I also like sitting on ventrilo with corpmates just chatting about stuff, so sometimes we'll just sit around chatting while absent mindedly watching a highsec trade route for good suicide gank targets. (it's a lot like fishing actually)
If I need to get back sec status after a night of suicide ganking I'll run a level 4. If I draw out the time between battleship kills for max sec increase it can make back quite a bit of sec status + 10-20m from bounties + salvage + mission reward in about 2 hours.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2009.06.07 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dian'h Might Find things that are fun to do but make isk as a by-product.
That's what I do most of the time. Sure it isn't as much as it could be if I dedicated myself to something but it serves my ship/fitting needs (no I'm not flying T1 cruiser only) and it's not like I have a second job that I have to pay for.
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Cyonidicus
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Posted - 2009.06.07 10:14:00 -
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Welcome to MMORPGS
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.07 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 06/06/2009 20:27:30
I know I can't be the only one whom thinks this way.. I realize for many running missions and mining might be fun and happy times. However for me, I just want to get my PVP on and it seems like everything I've done to to make ISK is more like a second job than a fun game.
I've tried many different things to make ISK and they all bore the hell out of me. I tired missions and salvaging at the start and grinded my way up to like 50 mil on my trial account before I couldn't take it any more.
I played with the market a bit and got bored very fast. Tried it again a few weeks ago using 3 noob alts giving them all 10 mil to start with. I made about 50 mil each in a week or two but it was tedious at best and really not enjoyable. Just with in a week I was dreading logging into their alts to update market orders.
In the mean time I figured I'd try my luck at mining, so I trained up two alts, one for an Orca/Hulk and the other for a Hulk. Running the Orca and the Hulk I can clear a belt of veld in about 30 to 45 mins , and make about 10 mil. (yes I know 2 hulks would be better but I can't stand running back to the station every 3 mins)
My worst night in PVP to date, I lost 2 Arbitrators (20 mil each fitted) 1 Coercer which was about 8 mil fitted, along with my pod with a full set of +3's. That was another 30 mil or so in implants, making my worst day in losses close to 80 mil. Which is nothing to many..
That means running two accounts mining, I'd have to mine roughly 6 hours or so to pay for my losses of that one bad night of PVP and hell I'm just flying T1 cruisers for the most part.
Thuss so, my miners will likely be going up for sale lol... Now don't get me wrong I really don't die a lot, but it doesn't take many deaths to add up quick. At this point in my young EVE career, supporting my PVP is more like a second job than a game and Im' flying crap ships..
No you can't have my stuff.. but I know I can't be alone in this.. I realize there might be better ways to make ISK fast, but I can think of very few that don't end up being more of a "grind" than fun. At least for people whom just like PVP.
I just don't get how some can lose BS after BS or T2 ship after T2 ship and keep coming back every night in new ships..
There is a simple solution: play on SiSi. Everything costs 100 ISK, so you can fight as much as you like with whatever you like for effectively zero grind. |
Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.06.07 11:44:00 -
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op is right at that point that PvP doesn't really have that great risk versus profit ratio. (unless you're talking about empire ganks, which some might consider slightly exploiting)
Especially lately standard ship fitting is t2 which doesn't cost so much nowadays so loot worth has dropped a lot. New t2 ships (blackops etc.) don't really drop much more loot isk wise than ordinary HAC. Etc. Could continue that list forever. It's rare to find any decent loot while pirating nowadays. Not to mention even if you get loot worth of 100mil or so you usually need to split it 10 ways or so. It's not much when you're flying 200-300mil cruiser which you're gonna lose sooner or later probably.
Most funny thing is that it's not the industrial ships which usually drop anything worth of it. Your ordinary industrial target is t1 or t2 hauler which drops either nothing or just some crap. Expensive stuff is moved with jump freighters or stuff how are you gonna gank those unless they're complete ******s, I'm just asking. Not to mention your everyday logoffski freighters.
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Kingwood
Amarr Yawn Corp Obscure Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.07 11:53:00 -
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You just have to farm people like this. We've already sold the reps, which made 100mil for each of us. |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.06.07 14:43:00 -
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Makeing isk in game is like makeing money in real life. It takes time, and effort.
And the old addage that it take money to make money is real.
First. Spend a month and make isk. Save it up. DO NOT PVP. Yes, I know this sucks, but this is the way of it.
while makeing that money descide on what you want to do.
Do you want to run lvl 4's? Boreing as hell, but it's a steady income at 40-60 mil an hour once you get up to a Golem/Domi combo.
Do you want to do courier runs? It takes about a billion isk as collateral and a Freighter at 800Mil isk.
Do you want to play the market? YOu can start doing this right off, but it does take time. The more isk you have the more you can make in profit/day. The market is the best thing, but it's also one of the most competitive. But it also has the best potential.
Do you want to produce ships? You can potentially make a lot of isk with this. Not all at once, but but steadily. This is what I do. I buy mins, build ships. Sell ships. It may take a month for an order to sell out, but that's just one of a few dozen orders I have up. Every time I log in, I find I've sold half a billion isk in ships. They only net me about 4-5% profit, but long term it keeps me in capital ships.
Do you want to do invention?
Do you want to do Exploration?
There are TONS of things you can do. But they all take time, effort, AND an initial amount of isk. You need that seed money.
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5fesexyy
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:04:00 -
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Spend 2 hours extra at work and buy plexes to convert to isk or spend 2 hours performing boring tasks and grinding for isk in eve? It's not like you will be at work thinking "I wish I could be at home playing eve and earning less".
Silly I know. |
Colonel Cornbread
Minmatar Subnet Syndicate Binary Brotherhood
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: 5fesexyy Spend 2 hours extra at work and buy plexes to convert to isk or spend 2 hours performing boring tasks and grinding for isk in eve? It's not like you will be at work thinking "I wish I could be at home playing eve and earning less".
Silly I know.
THIS
Although I haven't had actually... paid anything on EVE except for accounts, but I can definitely see myself shelling out pocket change for a little more boost in-game later on. |
Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:43:00 -
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Just to make sure, are you playing in windowed or full screen mode? Those long hauling trips or hours spent mining/ratting aren't so boring when you are watching a DVD
Also, to repeat what others have said, training multiple ways of making isk will help keep things fresh. A couple weeks ago, I was a ratter, this week I am a trader.
Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew! |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 07/06/2009 16:52:40 Well, I'm currently training my miners for a pair of drakes being they already have pretty good shield tanking skills. I figure I can stick them in a WH or something and see what they can make. Might be more interresting for the possible PVP as well.
btw I assume two drakes would be good enough to deal with sleepers wouldn't they? I know little to nothing about shooting PVE stuff.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 07/06/2009 16:52:40 Well, I'm currently training my miners for a pair of drakes being they already have pretty good shield tanking skills. I figure I can stick them in a WH or something and see what they can make. Might be more interresting for the possible PVP as well.
btw I assume two drakes would be good enough to deal with sleepers wouldn't they? I know little to nothing about shooting PVE stuff.
You can solo class 1/2 wormholes easily enough in a drake. 3 might be a little tougher even with a pair. Class 4+ probably not doable.
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.06.07 18:39:00 -
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payin for isk with real money is a little ridiculous. but some people dont have issues paying $100/month for this game (i.e. 4 accounts). imo, that takes the GAME out of it.
basically, the best way is to learn how to melt npc's quickly, and this requires some high skills. the epitome of pve efficiency are marauders and sentry drones/drone boats. so start training up for those if u wanna pvp without buying isk, having multiple accounts and/or selling characters. also, exploration will get your rare drops some of which are worth 100mill each.
i do know how you feel though. there are times when everyone will sustain lots of losses...when it happens to me, i rage quit or take a break for a few days; i just dont have the time in my life to grind L4's for too long or too often. the thing is, eve's pvp system isnt matched by any other mmo, which is why i keep playing. so it is a dilemma.
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blulululu
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Posted - 2009.06.07 18:54:00 -
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Go pvp in rifters 1 hour of ratting would be 2 weeks of PVP |
AngryMax
Gallente Executable Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.09 05:12:00 -
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You are a business owner. Use your business mind to make the ISK.
I was in the same boat, and found a niche that took me from 90mil to 4.5 bil in under 5 months. Its still there last i checked. A buddy of mine found an even better way to make money - landing billions daily.
Be savvier.
The beauty of eve is in the pain of loss. Go play online FPS for instant gratification.
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Baiser noir
Elite D.I.S Organisation
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Posted - 2009.06.09 12:03:00 -
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You first need to get some critical mass of ISK (2-ish bils is for me a good start). This is the amount as from which, whatever I was doing, with enough skills and mass, ISK starts to just come in - market manipulation, clever trading to less clever or lazy people, mass orders or manufacture, ...
My pvp side costs me around 95 mils per month (balance of losses vs. loot, I love flying t2 end to end). My isk maker makes 1 to 2 bils per month. With adaptation to your wallet and eve environmpent, the balance will most often evolve the right direction, while you can have fun on both sides - mainly through variation of the way you make your isk base grow and the price of the ships you are ready to see transformed to dust. |
Mr Xanatos
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Posted - 2009.06.09 12:48:00 -
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300 mil = 20 tackle frigs, 10 cruises, a few BC and a BS or two.
Fit them them all meta zero and you have enough throwaway pew pew ships to last weeks. Plus the insurance covers all you loss.
I converted to this lifestyle and I'm never going back. No more slave to the iskies for me, its great fun and the cheap lifestyle frees you from isk earning, now you can enjoy more of what Eve has to offer. And yes, I have plenty of t2 ships but I keep them for special occasions.
And find a good Corp
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