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WoopieDeDoo
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Posted - 2009.06.06 21:44:00 -
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So what does CCP think of these tatics that people seem to use.
1 Target you attack, Local spikes as his mates Log on and you find yourself in a world of hurt..
Is this a valid tatic that has no negatives in CCP eyes? |
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Posted - 2009.06.06 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: WoopieDeDoo So what does CCP think of these tatics that people seem to use.
1 Target you attack, Local spikes as his mates Log on and you find yourself in a world of hurt..
Is this a valid tatic that has no negatives in CCP eyes?
Explain how CCP could control "when" corp mates log in?
Explain how CCP could control "when" corp mates log out?
Explain how CCP could police this if they had a stance?
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Ausser
Cybertech Industrials Agency
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Posted - 2009.06.06 21:53:00 -
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It does not matter if they log in or use another way like cyno and jump in.
The effect is the same.
It's a trap. |
WoopieDeDoo
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Posted - 2009.06.06 21:57:00 -
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A those on your kill mail all show as logging in at the same time. Does this give you a reson to ask CCP for ones ship back?
There are bugs out there that you will get banned from if you use them. Known ones.
Yes they can't stop it. Yes people will do it.
Yes CCP can see it in there logs when it happens tho as well. Very easy to check if 8 - 30 accounts all logged in at the same time and send them a warning, or place a ban on there accounts to stop people doing it.
Some people do loose connections, but if you sensiable you know what I'm refering to. |
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Posted - 2009.06.06 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: WoopieDeDoo
Some people do loose connections, but if you sensiable you know what I'm refering to.
Other night a corp mate and I both got DC'd at the same time while mining...and within 30sec of each other had relogged.
Should the Veld petition us?
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.06.06 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: WoopieDeDoo A those on your kill mail all show as logging in at the same time. Does this give you a reson to ask CCP for ones ship back?
There are bugs out there that you will get banned from if you use them. Known ones.
Yes they can't stop it. Yes people will do it.
Yes CCP can see it in there logs when it happens tho as well. Very easy to check if 8 - 30 accounts all logged in at the same time and send them a warning, or place a ban on there accounts to stop people doing it.
Some people do loose connections, but if you sensiable you know what I'm refering to.
HERES A TIP SUCK IT UP
you want people banned over a valied tactic yeah i see that happning
if you are always so whiney when you loose in a pvp game i suggest you find a new game ************ are you getting your 5 a day. |
Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.06.06 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: WoopieDeDoo A those on your kill mail all show as logging in at the same time. Does this give you a reson to ask CCP for ones ship back?
There are bugs out there that you will get banned from if you use them. Known ones.
Yes they can't stop it. Yes people will do it.
Yes CCP can see it in there logs when it happens tho as well. Very easy to check if 8 - 30 accounts all logged in at the same time and send them a warning, or place a ban on there accounts to stop people doing it.
Some people do loose connections, but if you sensiable you know what I'm refering to.
CCP can't tell you when you can or can't log in. Also, killmails don't show what time each involved player logged in lol.
Make a note of corps who have done login traps and be aware of the danger for the next time you engage them.
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WoopieDeDoo
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Posted - 2009.06.07 00:22:00 -
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You miss understand what I'm asking.
1 - Is it a Valid tatic to do it from CCP view point. A simple Yes/No is all I want to know
If they don't consider it a exploit then by all means we can all use it.
2 - I'm not *****ing ect.. If we use it will it hget us banned ? 3 - They got logs when you log in,, don't be so "Stupid" to think they can't check that 20 - 30 People all logged in on a system when they can see a Kill Mail with player names on it.
So just a answer to question is what I was wanting. |
DOARota
Gallente BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.06.07 01:18:00 -
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So you're chatting on ts and a corp/alliance mate says he's getting attacked. You log in and help. What can ccp do about it. You pay to play. You play when you want to. Nuff said.
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WoopieDeDoo
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Posted - 2009.06.07 01:26:00 -
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Is it so hard to understand that there is a big difference between people logging in ect.. to 30 people logging in when a target is engaged.
There is no hassle from me about what tatics people use..
Just wanting to know what CCP stand was on the Tatic. No tears, no crying.. just a answer..
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Posted - 2009.06.07 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: WoopieDeDoo Is it so hard to understand that there is a big difference between people logging in ect.. to 30 people logging in when a target is engaged.
There is no hassle from me about what tatics people use..
Just wanting to know what CCP stand was on the Tatic. No tears, no crying.. just a answer..
I think if you look real close and read what has been said..you'll see this has been answered more than once. |
Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.06.07 03:37:00 -
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As I recall log on tactics are only petitionable if they are done specifically to crash a node or to use lag as a weapon, both of which are exploits.
If its a small engagement, then it just sucks, but then getting ambushed in any way is a bit sucky.
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dasfry on 07/06/2009 08:21:58
Originally by: WoopieDeDoo You miss understand what I'm asking.
1 - Is it a Valid tatic to do it from CCP view point. A simple Yes/No is all I want to know
Only CCP can answer what their point of view is.
From my point of view this tactic has been used for many years. It's NOT something NEW. *********** Military Tactics Dasfry, CEO Demio's Corporation
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.07 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: WoopieDeDoo Is it so hard to understand that there is a big difference between people logging in ect.. to 30 people logging in when a target is engaged.
There is no hassle from me about what tatics people use..
Just wanting to know what CCP stand was on the Tatic. No tears, no crying.. just a answer..
So you're chatting on ts and a corp/alliance mate says he's got someone tackled. You log in and help. What can ccp do about it. You pay to play. You play when you want to. Nuff said.
Is this your main? |
Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.07 15:58:00 -
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I hate TARP too... such a waste of my tax dollars |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 07/06/2009 16:20:59 Umm why would they all log on at the same time? Would be more sensible if they were in the neighboring system and jumped in. That's how most "local spikes" work.. |
Cre'nor
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:35:00 -
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Quote: 1 - Is it a Valid tatic to do it from CCP view point. A simple Yes/No is all I want to know
Yes
Quote: 2 - I'm not *****ing ect.. If we use it will it hget us banned ?
No
Quote: 3 - They got logs when you log in,, don't be so "Stupid" to think they can't check that 20 - 30 People all logged in on a system when they can see a Kill Mail with player names on it.
In all engagements, with the exception of a POS siege or gatecamp, the principal tactic is to make the enemy think they have the advantage, when, in fact, they don't. No sane person will engage when they feel that they are at a disadvantage. There are many tactics to make them think they have the advantage. Maybe they have you outnumbered, but you have better pilots. Maybe you've got a couple guys hidden in the next system. Maybe your ships are setup in a way that they're not expecting. How are these tactics any less valid that a logon trap? It's also a tactic that can be used equally by both sides. IMHO, stop your whining. Every time we engage an enemy, we ask ourselves "What if this is a logon trap? Do we have a plan for that?"
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ROXGenghis
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: ROXGenghis on 07/06/2009 17:15:17 Logon trap is metagaming and is as valid a tactic as logoffski. Metagaming because unlike other methods of hiding your assets, this one exists outside the game.
The only thing stopping you from using either logoffski or logon traps is your own manliness (I intentionally avoided the word 'morality' here). If you are OK with logoffski, you'll probably be OK with logon traps. If you get ****ed when a target escapes you due to logoffski, you have no business setting logon traps.
P.S. A lot of folks in this thread don't seem to realize the full details of what a logon trap is. |
Bloody Rabbit
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:15:00 -
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I like tarp they are mean looking fish,
oh you mean traps, those are hard to find and prove as CCP doesn't have control over who/how/when a group of people log on and log off. |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr Heavy Influence Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:46:00 -
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I've heard that logonski is an offense, but I've never seen CCP confirm or deny it. ________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Get out Mindstar, or I'll punch you in the ovaries.[/q |
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Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2009.06.08 06:22:00 -
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Quote: Whats CCP stand on Logoff Tarps
Logging off isn't such a great trap, now is it?
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cre'nor In all engagements, with the exception of a POS siege or gatecamp, the principal tactic is to make the enemy think they have the advantage, when, in fact, they don't.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.08 11:21:00 -
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They cant do anything about it (well they could increase time it takes to log in).
But you are just sad when you need to metagame to keep your internet spaceship.
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Walton Kildare
Caldari NSO Enterprises Unitary Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.08 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Walton Kildare on 08/06/2009 22:55:10 The problem is that participants of the logon trap are all but completely invulnerable. They cannot be damaged, targeted, or even detected. The only effective counter to a logon trap is to set another logon trap ahead of it (using the same tactic), or simply not show up at the trapped location. That's it.... You can't attack the trap en masse because the participants can simply not not log on.
The difference between a logon trap, and a Vent distress call is this. A logon trap is planned in advance. The participants know it's taking place and are prepared so they can show up shortly. Calling for help from your friend on Vent is a different story, since presumably, he has to switch from whatever he's doing, load EVE, logon, connect, and get to the location. It's a difference between seconds and minutes.
Justin º |
Elaron
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 01:47:00 -
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It would be very difficult to dig it up, but in the past CCP has said that it's legal, if a bit lame.
They've admitted that they can't do very much about both this and logoffski because it would be difficult to impossible to implement rules and mechanics that might prevent those tactics that wouldn't hurt innocent players. |
Minaruars
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Posted - 2009.06.09 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Minaruars on 09/06/2009 15:42:10 woopie.. its called tactics.. and you got baited.. fail
and for everyone else.. add the people you are afraid of doing log on traps to buddy list so you know when they log on... mind blowing i know.
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Atraxerxes
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.09 16:20:00 -
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Dude. You said TARPS in your subject line. I thought CCP was giving away bailout money.
What a let down.
AX
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.09 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Minaruars Edited by: Minaruars on 09/06/2009 15:42:10 woopie.. its called tactics.. and you got baited.. fail
and for everyone else.. add the people you are afraid of doing log on traps to buddy list so you know when they log on... mind blowing i know.
So then i see they log in, and how does that help me? Local spiking basicly gave me the same information...
It is just sad meta gaming by people who are afraid to lose their internet spaceship. |
Phaade
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Posted - 2009.06.10 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Minaruars Edited by: Minaruars on 09/06/2009 15:42:10 woopie.. its called tactics.. and you got baited.. fail
and for everyone else.. add the people you are afraid of doing log on traps to buddy list so you know when they log on... mind blowing i know.
Tactics would involve doing something in the game.
This "strategy" does not involve any tactics, it is an exploitation of game mechanics that leaves the victim literally incapable of doing something to prevent. You can't scout local systems, you can't use local to see if a fleet jumped in, you can't see the cyno, you just lose. Its a fail tactic and anyone doing it is, well, a giant D bag.
The problem is when 50 people warp in on top of what you thought was a 5 man gang, you are lagged to death, and podded before you can do anything. You can't warp out, you can't jump through the gate, you're screwed. It's happened to me twice and its literally the lamest tactic I've seen in any game.
Buuut you always have the losers who think exploits are legit because "its part of the game" or something.
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Kastio Delago
TransWarp Ventures
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:52:00 -
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OP spots bait and attacks.
Bait really is bait and calls in a Logon Trap.
OP petitions getting pwned.
Not an exploit, not a tarp either. Bring back the Gummi Bears TV Series! |
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