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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:13:00 -
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First of all, obviously this is purely my personal speculation don't flame me for whatever just cause you disagree start a new thread if you must. Anyhow the short answer to the title of this thread is, ludicrous and copious amounts of detail. They're putting everything into these character models and it's going to have intense graphics requirements from the sound of it. The other half of the equation is in very complex features. Things like the war room, the buying station space system, integration with the in-ship market, etc.
Seeing as they've (CCP) have been "working" on ambulation since the game's conception and that they seem to be parading it in front of us like a carrot on a string, you can infer at least two things.
-It likely won't suck when released. -It may not be released even within the next two years because of the first point.
That being said. For those of you who choose to /forumwhine or /cryquit before researching the details, here are a few interviews you may find extremely interesting. In the future, you might want to use Google to do something the rest of us call "searching" for relevant information instead of /whinetrashing the forums.
Also I'm sure there are many more of these out there. The first one is the newest (that I know of) so eat up.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/04/02/ccps-torfi-frans-olafsson-on-the-future-of-eve/ http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?feature=1908&game=14&bhcp=1 http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/15713
As you can see a tremendous, and in some instances, unprecedented amount of work and detail are going into ambulation. I don't think the final product will disappoint (at least not to much) and when I say final I'm talking about a few patches after release. (only makes sense).
As far as time is concerned they don't even have it released on sisi yet. This means it's likely not going to be in the next patch. Sorry whiners. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:17:00 -
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It will not suck simply because we will no longer have threads about how much it will/does/won'7/doesn't suck. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:18:00 -
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I think they're synchronising the launch of Ambulation with the london 2012 Olympics, seeing as that's where the servers are based.
In which time we will be having relay races around the station where the baton is a can of quafe ultra.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar It will not suck simply because we will no longer have threads about how much it will/does/won'7/doesn't suck.
This seems pretty close to the truth actually. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:23:00 -
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I would also like to say few things:
-It was confirmed by Eris, that it won't be in the next expansion. There is no need to speculate on that issue.
-It propably won't suck.
-If it takes a few more years to complete, it better do some professional dirtee girl sucking or it won't meet up with all the expectations. That is the price you pay for teasing people with a feature for years.
-Did we really need a new thread about this? The few on the first page weren't enough?
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Mish'Kala
Minmatar FarSight Location and Recovery Services
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:28:00 -
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Going on past CCP experience i foresee the following
* It will look immense
* All charaters will be missing a vital feature like a nose or an arse cheek or something. This will be due to time running out for the release. The missing featues will be added in a patch 2 weeks after release
* One of the characters will walk sideways. It will do this for months.
* Characters will be surrounded by that crackly electrical effect when they enter a new room. This beacuse they are invunlnerable for 30 seconds and its just not used enough in the game
* Hopefully Gallente females will suffer a similar bug to the warp tunnel and will appear 3 ft outside of their clothes. Acura Females must never suffer from this bug unless eye bleach becomes available on the market.
* The Drinks menu will have items like Beer 999,999,999 Isk
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GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:35:00 -
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so the summary of your post is "ambulation will not suck because its been worked on for ages and ccp didnt show alot from it" ??
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:52:00 -
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It might not suck, if it were only released before the end of the world. |
Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: GuntiNDDS so the summary of your post is "ambulation will not suck because its been worked on for ages and ccp didnt show alot from it" ??
The summary of my post is that forum babies insist on believing CCP hasn't shown progress because they don't post daily developments on these forums.
There's a simple answer however. Ambulation is massively detailed and complicated, there are articles out there that detail this. It takes time and effort to maintain a working game and build an expansion that basically creates an entirely different game within the first. It takes more effort to do the kind of detail that CCP has been doing. Get over it. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mish'Kala Going on past CCP experience i foresee the following
* It will look immense
* All charaters will be missing a vital feature like a nose or an arse cheek or something. This will be due to time running out for the release. The missing featues will be added in a patch 2 weeks after release
* One of the characters will walk sideways. It will do this for months.
* Characters will be surrounded by that crackly electrical effect when they enter a new room. This beacuse they are invunlnerable for 30 seconds and its just not used enough in the game
* Hopefully Gallente females will suffer a similar bug to the warp tunnel and will appear 3 ft outside of their clothes. Acura Females must never suffer from this bug unless eye bleach becomes available on the market.
* The Drinks menu will have items like Beer 999,999,999 Isk
* I will relentlessly complain regardless even if the above are false and/or they are true but they are fixed within a few patches.
fyp *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue I would also like to say few things:
-It was confirmed by Eris, that it won't be in the next expansion. There is no need to speculate on that issue.
-It propably won't suck.
-If it takes a few more years to complete, it better do some professional dirtee girl sucking or it won't meet up with all the expectations. That is the price you pay for teasing people with a feature for years.
-Did we really need a new thread about this? The few on the first page weren't enough?
yep we did. Nobody reads through 5+ pages of anything anymore. It's easier just to add a whine. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Originally by: GuntiNDDS so the summary of your post is "ambulation will not suck because its been worked on for ages and ccp didnt show alot from it" ??
The summary of my post is that forum babies insist on believing CCP hasn't shown progress because they don't post daily developments on these forums.
There's a simple answer however. Ambulation is massively detailed and complicated, there are articles out there that detail this. It takes time and effort to maintain a working game and build an expansion that basically creates an entirely different game within the first. It takes more effort to do the kind of detail that CCP has been doing. Get over it.
so then your summary is ambulation won't suck because its complicated ? this just gets better ! :D
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:29:00 -
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It won't suck because it won't ever be released. It's going the way of Duke Nukem Forever. ____________________
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 08/06/2009 14:31:28
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Originally by: GuntiNDDS so the summary of your post is "ambulation will not suck because its been worked on for ages and ccp didnt show alot from it" ??
The summary of my post is that forum babies insist on believing CCP hasn't shown progress because they don't post daily developments on these forums.
There's a simple answer however. Ambulation is massively detailed and complicated, there are articles out there that detail this. It takes time and effort to maintain a working game and build an expansion that basically creates an entirely different game within the first. It takes more effort to do the kind of detail that CCP has been doing. Get over it.
They showed Progress on Fanfest. And i will quote 1 slide:
Originally by: Slide from Fanfest 2008
Than what are we doing?
- Making it all fit together
- Nothing can stand out
- Protect the style and look of each race
- How far can we stretc each look
But that's not all. At the time of Fanfest they haven't made yet inteface for actually building and furnacing ur establishments. And that the only thing they could show to prove their progress (all other changes will not be so evident) ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Trimutius III
They showed Progress on Fanfest. And i will quote 1 slide:
Originally by: Slide from Fanfest 2008
Than what are we doing?
- Making it all fit together
- Nothing can stand out
- Protect the style and look of each race
- How far can we stretc each look
But that's not all. At the time of Fanfest they haven't made yet inteface for actually building and furnacing ur establishments. And that the only thing they could show to prove their progress (all other changes will not be so evident)
You must have been drunk at Fanfest or just not there. There were videos of the work they had completed in WiS including a mock up of the "war room" a mini-game "secwars".
In addition you might want to read the interviews linking in the OP before posting because there's quite a bit more there detailing what is planned and what has been done. At least you can infer what has been done.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 08/06/2009 16:51:29
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
You must have been drunk at Fanfest or just not there. There were videos of the work they had completed in WiS including a mock up of the "war room" a mini-game "secwars".
In addition you might want to read the interviews linking in the OP before posting because there's quite a bit more there detailing what is planned and what has been done. You even get videos! OMG!~#
Stop... Did i said there was no "war room" or mini-game on Fanfest? They were there... You misunderstood me... I have only said that there is not so many things that CCP can addititonaly show. Because they have already shown really many things, almost everything. And i'm satisfied, it looks like CCP really doing hard work. I was amazed by Geomerics showroom i should say... But one thing that they actually can show is how player would build and furnace their establishment, this feature wasn't ready at fanfest, so if it would be done by October i expect some new videos about HOW players would furnace their bars/casinos and so on... But i agree there is already enough of features that were shown...
And about linkings... i have read them... I have even translated Rock Paper Shotgun interview into Russian on EVE-RU and have written review of Fanfest video in there (including videos about WiS) And i gathered a lot of information.
P.S. Plus. No silliness that was mentioned by Torfi Frans Olafsson doesn't mean no running IMO. Running isn't silly if u are in hurry... It's silly if u are late for CTA and calmly walk through Promenade... (U should run as fast as u can i think) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:39:00 -
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Ambulation will be an even bigger success than Atmospheric Flight....
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:09:00 -
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OP seems pretty angry. Love the way he asks not to be flamed only to launch area of effect attacks against anything and everything not complying with "just his personal speculation".
2/10 because of rather low turnout though. Topic has been done to death 3 times last week alone. |
GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Originally by: GuntiNDDS
so then your summary is ambulation won't suck because its complicated ? this just gets better ! :D
Well for you it will suck because there are no plans for a forum to troll for isk and also because you suck at eve. But that's nothing new. ohwells
Hopefully there will be biomass processing shops so that when you're tired of sucking you can /cryquit through a pretty interface.
no reasons for strong words :)
i just think that your points doesnt make any sense. ambulation being difficult and ambulation "not to suck" are two completly seperated factors. explaining that ambulation would not suck because its so difficult to implement and needs serveral rocket-science experts to be hired by ccp to pull off is as unlogical as people explaining that the difficulty of implementing it would actually make it suck. even tho in the later case one could even logically argument that with increased difficulty there is also an increased chance of errors being made while implementing it. Also your earlier point, that it wont suck because it takes very long to implement doesnt disclose its logic to me either. If it sucks or not depends on the end result, and not how long it takes to get there.
and for the point: i have nothing against ambulation, nor do i think it would suck. it's just that your post makes no sense
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007 OP seems pretty angry. Love the way he asks not to be flamed only to launch area of effect attacks against anything and everything not complying with "just his personal speculation".
2/10 because of rather low turnout though. Topic has been done to death 3 times last week alone.
Only 2/10 I thought I'd get 4 because of popularity... plus you haven't made it through till downtime. Bad call.
AND I AM angry. I guess I got tired of reading about how much ambulation is going to suck. Btw don't flame my speculation... Instead, comply.
Originally by: Trimutius III
Stop... You misunderstood me...
Ok... you're right then I did misunderstand you. Point is it's in the SoonÖ pipe and it's not going to suck. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 08/06/2009 19:22:13
Originally by: GuntiNDDS
[...] explaining that ambulation would not suck because its so difficult to implement and needs serveral rocket-science experts to be hired by ccp to pull off is as unlogical as people explaining that the difficulty of implementing it would actually make it suck [...]
Name one thing that rocket-science experts were involved in creating that, in fact, sucked.
Secondly, sucking is a matter of personal taste and emotional acceptability so in once sense you are right. You can't equate time put into a project directly with mathematical certainty to it being ftw.
You CAN logically assume though, that a successful company like CCP would make it their best interest to make their carrot-on-a-stick be the best tasting not sucky carrot we've ever eaten if they ever give it to us. It better taste like ambrosia is what is likely going through their heads.
That coupled with it being uber-awesome as far as unprecedented detail and nifty features they plan/have implemented make it not suck.
Especially if being teh suck == getting out of your ship and finding out that WiS is just like WoW only there's just humans. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 08/06/2009 19:22:13
Originally by: GuntiNDDS
[...] explaining that ambulation would not suck because its so difficult to implement and needs serveral rocket-science experts to be hired by ccp to pull off is as unlogical as people explaining that the difficulty of implementing it would actually make it suck [...]
Name one thing that rocket-science experts were involved in creating that, in fact, sucked.
Secondly, sucking is a matter of personal taste and emotional acceptability so in once sense you are right. You can't equate time put into a project directly with mathematical certainty to it being ftw.
You CAN logically assume though, that a successful company like CCP would make it their best interest to make their carrot-on-a-stick be the best tasting not sucky carrot we've ever eaten if they ever give it to us. It better taste like ambrosia is what is likely going through their heads.
That coupled with it being uber-awesome as far as unprecedented detail and nifty features they plan/have implemented make it not suck.
Especially if being teh suck == getting out of your ship and finding out that WiS is just like WoW only there's just humans.
yes, you can except them making it not suck, but that doesnt have anything todo with it taking longer than expected, or being a complicated matter.
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Cool Goose
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mish'Kala Going on past CCP experience i foresee the following
* It will look immense
* All charaters will be missing a vital feature like a nose or an arse cheek or something. This will be due to time running out for the release. The missing featues will be added in a patch 2 weeks after release
* One of the characters will walk sideways. It will do this for months.
* Characters will be surrounded by that crackly electrical effect when they enter a new room. This beacuse they are invunlnerable for 30 seconds and its just not used enough in the game
* Hopefully Gallente females will suffer a similar bug to the warp tunnel and will appear 3 ft outside of their clothes. Acura Females must never suffer from this bug unless eye bleach becomes available on the market.
* The Drinks menu will have items like Beer 999,999,999 Isk
QFT
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GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Name one thing that rocket-science experts were involved in creating that, in fact, sucked.
Challenger ?
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 08/06/2009 19:44:23
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Secondly, sucking is a matter of personal taste and emotional acceptability so in once sense you are right. You can't equate time put into a project directly with mathematical certainty to it being ftw.
You CAN logically assume though, that a successful company like CCP would make it their best interest to make their carrot-on-a-stick be the best tasting not sucky carrot we've ever eaten if they ever give it to us. It better taste like ambrosia is what is likely going through their heads.
LOL No it's better if it taste like Oat Cookies (my favourite cookies) But it's a matter of personal taste...
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That coupled with it being uber-awesome as far as unprecedented detail and nifty features they plan/have implemented make it not suck.
The best is the enemy of good. I think CCP should try to do everything on level without trying doing it uber-awesome. Just awesome is enough... Plus features that are already announced are really awesome, they should be made good and then there is no problem... Of course there would be bugs and some other problem, they are always there it's a law, but still i think nothing deadly...
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Especially if being teh suck == getting out of your ship and finding out that WiS is just like WoW only there's just humans.
WoW... Hehe in wow there is no that interesting minigames... For me that minigames would be another reason to play... It's like when i'm switching between several things missions/hunt/mining/PVP/trading/moving goods (with many variabilities inside each) I switch to something else when i'm tired of doing same thing for days/weeks... And if there would be minigames added in this row it's for good i think Maybe not only minigames who knows. ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Device Bearer
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:14:00 -
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I like the OPs optimism thinking that ambulation will see light of day. |
Descrambled
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:22:00 -
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Ambulation will be a wild success because CCP has been working on it forever. Just like Darkfall, Duke Nukem Forever, and Daikatana - all those legendary titles that were so awesome because they took forever to make.
Ambulation will be awesome, simply because it took forever and ever and ever to make!
Gimmie a break; They spending resource working on real features for the game. They probably only got 1-2 artists working on Ambulation along with 1 part time programmer tops |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly It might not suck, if it were only released before the end of the world.
the world ended last year ?
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Device Bearer I like the OPs optimism thinking that ambulation will see light of day.
Me too.
Originally by: GuntiNDDS
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Name one thing that rocket-science experts were involved in creating that, in fact, sucked.
Challenger ?
Bad form. Challenger's suckedness was the result of politicians, the media, and a woman teacher (The key is in the extra x chromosome). The scientists were mostly innocent of its sucktitude.
Originally by: GuntiNDDS
yes, you can except them making it not suck, but that doesnt have anything todo with it taking longer than expected, or being a complicated matter.
There was no expected... They've never set a release date or even a fuzzy one. It taking a long time but still showing progress means they're putting much work into it. This is a good sign. The reason it's taking a long time is because it's complicated. So they're doing something hard, they're taking their time, and the progress they've showed rocks hardcore... That means the release will very likely not suck.
Thank you, I win. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
There was no expected... They've never set a release date or even a fuzzy one.
you dont need to publically set a release date for people being able to have an expected one. besides, werent the point of my reply. you can scratch the word if you feel better then.
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
It taking a long time but still showing progress means they're putting much work into it. This is a good sign.
Actually there hasnt been alot of progress being shown lately. the last videos that popped up were the same scenes as from their fanfest '08 demonstration.
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
The reason it's taking a long time is because it's complicated. So they're doing something hard, they're taking their time.
And thereforce maybe it is too complicated to judge the ressources they need to spent on it versus the reward ? what they shown and announced someone could do in ambulation wasnt really alot. and they even statet themselves that with the initial release, there wont be alot for players to do and them wanting to expland it post-release.
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Thank you, I win.
no problem, but i dont think so :)
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