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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:07:00 -
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What is it that has caused these ships to now be worth over 30 million isk?
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Crimsonjade
Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:08:00 -
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supply meet demand
/nuff said
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Br41n
Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:09:00 -
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i like it 
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:13:00 -
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Goons in delve?
Delenda est achura. |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:36:00 -
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Around 70% of any ship hull price is ferrogel and fermionic condensates. Read: R64 moon goo. It goes up, ship prices go up, ship demand goes down, after the freetards wash out the price goes up some more due to less competition.
T2 carebearing in a nutshell.
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:41:00 -
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Most of the dictor T2 bpo's are owned by the alliances. Alliance members get them for free and lose quite many, the rest have to pay through the nose.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:44:00 -
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What's wrong with the market discussion section.. 
But yah, you got the answers above. All t2 ships gone up, but dictors are threwn away en masse in the bigger alliances. Should give an idea of what happens to those reaching the market.
Nice hint for the guys into invention..
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.09 15:00:00 -
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Frigate-strength, cruiser-sized, very popular, suicide-run ship…
Yes, I wonder what might drive the prices up on such a contraption. 
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Thea Arsoniztik
Red Tides
Viewer Discretion Advised
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Posted - 2009.06.09 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Thea Arsoniztik on 09/06/2009 15:03:17
BLAH blah blah free market blah blah
blah blah player driven economy blah blah
blah blah mineral prices blah blah
blah blah supply demand blah blah blah
blah blah adapt or die blah blah
blah blah because of falcon blah blah
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.09 15:12:00 -
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Cheapest invented interdictors considering current material prices would run somewhere around 40 mil ISK a piece just to break even.
Manufactured from a highly researched BPO, they would cost roughly 20 mil ISK in a no-bonus, no-penalty manufacture slot, and you could only build around 800 of them in one year in a normal station (so that's around 8 bil ISK profit A YEAR from a blueprint - of course, you could drive that up a bit by using other types of manufacture installations, but still, it's a very low figure).
So... yeah, the prices for interdictors are ridiculous... ridiculously LOW, that is.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
Cheapest invented interdictors considering current material prices would run somewhere around 40 mil ISK a piece just to break even.
Manufactured from a highly researched BPO, they would cost roughly 20 mil ISK in a no-bonus, no-penalty manufacture slot, and you could only build around 800 of them in one year in a normal station (so that's around 8 bil ISK profit A YEAR from a blueprint - of course, you could drive that up a bit by using other types of manufacture installations, but still, it's a very low figure).
So... yeah, the prices for interdictors are ridiculous... ridiculously LOW, that is.
There's always perspective to things. You could add in that a player flying one "waste" a month training destroyer 5 and propulsion jamming 5 (four is more than fine, but ok, let's say you waste two weeks)..
not to mention the ship is near suicidal to fly in fleet sizes over a certain number, assuming you have no cloak. The huge size works against you as well, and you're likely to be primaried in many cases..
The price for dictors is ridicilous.. ridicilously high. 
..but yah, you got a point Akita. It still makes no sense that a t2 frigate, with heavier skill training than interceptors, but being alot more fragile and near suicidal.. has to go at a price where you could get two ceptors intead. Incentitive for players to fly them?
<- loves dictors, still.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:16:00 -
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Ridiculously low... compared to creation cost.
Ridiculously high... when talking survivability.
Just about right, after you take into account not just cost and survivability, but also usefulness
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shoukei
Most of the dictor T2 bpo's are owned by the alliances. Alliance members get them for free and lose quite many, the rest have to pay through the nose.
I own two Interdictor BPOs myself but we're not building any at present, the prints are in research. We may put some on the market now if we can get some of those materials from the market. Those are very much cornered, the prints not so much. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.10 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Crimsonjade
supply meet demand
Please make this easier to understand. |
Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2009.06.10 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Crimsonjade
supply meet demand
Please make this easier to understand.
I'll help you out by adding a single character to the line.
Supply, meet demand.
Alternatively, you can do it this way:
Demand, meet supply.
I imagine the conversation goes something like this.
"Supply, meet demand. Demand, meet supply."
"Hi Demand, lovely to meet you."
"You too Supply. How are things these days?"
When they don't meet, prices fluctuate higher or lower, depending on who is the non-responsive party in this communication.
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Glyn Davish
Common Address Redudancy Protocol
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Siriyana
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Crimsonjade
supply meet demand
Please make this easier to understand.
I'll help you out by adding a single character to the line.
Supply, meet demand.
Alternatively, you can do it this way:
Demand, meet supply.
I imagine the conversation goes something like this.
"Supply, meet demand. Demand, meet supply."
"Hi Demand, lovely to meet you."
"You too Supply. How are things these days?"
When they don't meet, prices fluctuate higher or lower, depending on who is the non-responsive party in this communication.
And then sometimes you see Supply shopping for groceries wearing baggy sweats and sunglasses. Supply thinks it's enough to hide the bruises, but it's not.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 04:49:00 -
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What T2 prices aren't ridiculous? I barely even use it anymore. |
Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:56:00 -
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Ya, t2 is getting silly again. Edging towards early 2006 prices which isn't good for PVP.
Actually, that's a massive generalisation to make. I should say (more accurately) that this isn't good for my PVP. I die alot and need to replace things. Good if I was better and won more fights, more stuff to sell for moar. |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:57:00 -
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HICs are getting fudging expensive too... |
Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
Ya, t2 is getting silly again. Edging towards early 2006 prices which isn't good for PVP.
Actually, that's a massive generalisation to make. I should say (more accurately) that this isn't good for my PVP. I die alot and need to replace things. Good if I was better and won more fights, more stuff to sell for moar.
its great for pvp if you stop dying. dont lose and you will make more money. let the prices rise. |
ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:15:00 -
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was about time t2 prices went up again.
if they keep going up there will finally be some real money to be made on pvp again
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.06.10 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
was about time t2 prices went up again.
if they keep going up there will finally be some real money to be made on pvp again
Horrible.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.06.10 10:15:00 -
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Moved to " Market Discussion". |
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Kazang
Gallente
Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.06.10 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
was about time t2 prices went up again.
if they keep going up there will finally be some real money to be made on pvp again
No.... you could not be more wrong, the expensive bit the (the t2 ship and the rigs) explodes so there is maybe 2-5 mil more profit to made per kill off the T2 mods after inflation.
As someone who makes his money entirely from ransoms and loot its getting tight, very tight, i can't justify flying a taranis(my favourite ship) anymore since they are one of the most suicidal pvp ships around. They have gone up in price more than 100% since January, lucky to get one for less than 20mil these days. |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang
No.... you could not be more wrong, the expensive bit the (the t2 ship and the rigs) explodes so there is maybe 2-5 mil more profit to made per kill off the T2 mods after inflation.
How do you figure? Most t2 modules don't require r64 moon goo and as a result have become significantly cheaper as T2 hulls increase in price and decrease in demand. Since ferrogel and friends are the gating factor in t2 hull production everything NOT made of dysprosium/promethium has crashed to amazingly low levels from relative overproduction.
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As someone who makes his money entirely from ransoms and loot its getting tight, very tight, i can't justify flying a taranis(my favourite ship) anymore since they are one of the most suicidal pvp ships around. They have gone up in price more than 100% since January, lucky to get one for less than 20mil these days.
Excellent! All we need now is rumors and anecdotes re: how stupid it is to pay ransom and how often the juicy targets get blown up after paying and pirates will all be flying T1 junk. 0.0 alliances win it for the carebear team! |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: Kazang
No.... you could not be more wrong, the expensive bit the (the t2 ship and the rigs) explodes so there is maybe 2-5 mil more profit to made per kill off the T2 mods after inflation.
How do you figure? Most t2 modules don't require r64 moon goo and as a result have become significantly cheaper as T2 hulls increase in price and decrease in demand. Since ferrogel and friends are the gating factor in t2 hull production everything NOT made of dysprosium/promethium has crashed to amazingly low levels from relative overproduction.
You two appear to be agreeing with each other.
Bear in mind when he says 'profit' for the T2 mods he's talking about the total amount he can sell them for, not the margin he could get by selling them if he first produced them.
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Rip Minner
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Posted - 2009.06.10 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 09/06/2009 17:19:01
Ridiculously low... compared to creation cost.
Ridiculously high... when talking survivability.
Just about right, after you take into account not just cost and survivability, but also usefulness
Solutions ?
A) make them more likely to survive (buff defences and/or increase speed in some way and/or decrease signature and/or make them imune to their own bubbles)
or
B) reduce their manufacture costs (this should actually be quite easy - just reduce number of materials needed, especially those "heavy" in dyspro/prom... and maybe even buff invention chance a little, or increase number of invented runs per max run copy)
There;s always the carebear solution. Let carebears moonmine in high sec them tech 2 ship/mods will drop like rocks.
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
What T2 prices aren't ridiculous? I barely even use it anymore.
T2 prices WERE ridiculous... And it was caused by massive exploit.
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
was about time t2 prices went up again.
if they keep going up there will finally be some real money to be made on pvp again
No.... you could not be more wrong, the expensive bit the (the t2 ship and the rigs) explodes so there is maybe 2-5 mil more profit to made per kill off the T2 mods after inflation.
As someone who makes his money entirely from ransoms and loot its getting tight, very tight, i can't justify flying a taranis(my favourite ship) anymore since they are one of the most suicidal pvp ships around. They have gone up in price more than 100% since January, lucky to get one for less than 20mil these days.
So you have already forgot nano ages? Polycarbs, complex MWDs were pretty much mandatory and many used sets of snakes during that time... My inty cost 100 M ISK back then, sometimes even more and still I had 3-4 always fitted and ready to go.. Just like everyone else had. Flying intys is cheap now since you do not need rigs and officer MWDs... |
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