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Jack Paladin
Solar Storm Intrepid Crossing
144
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Posted - 2012.05.16 10:40:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:People who try to change the game before trying to adapt.
This dude just won eve. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
624
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Posted - 2012.05.16 12:53:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Apparently we're not alone, as that post has gathered many likes in less than 24 hours. Amidst the usual f* hiseccers/carebears/non PvPers posts, I can't see in this thread any other issue more serious than this one. EVE's population is growing older, not younger, wereas almost every bit of endgame content is aimed at consuming large chunks of time and commitment. Large chunks which people with a life probably should be devoting to something else, or can't devote to barely nothing, let alone a video game. What can you achieve in EVE within a pomodoro? Try to answer that and worry if you really care about the game's long term prospects. Also, keep telling people that they must lose forever the fruits of months of commitment for a few minutes AFK because their baby strated crying and you gonna succeed in pushing them into the arms of your competitors... The elderly "how do i babby with job?" demographic isn't the target of the video game industry anyway. Those people shouldn't be the focus of the development process. If the player base is growing older at such an alarming rate, then something is terribly wrong with that process, because the game is obviously not attracting younger players. In fact, it might be a sign that CCP is focusing on these older players, who are going to quit anyway simply because they're too busy to play games as they get older. If EVE is dumbed down with autopilot features such as arena pvp and high-sec invulnerability in order to appeal to the "play while feed babby" crowd at the expense of the type of players that gave it long-term success, then it's going to be in a very difficult position, since the former won't notice, and the latter will be alienated. It's like making soup out of a sandwich; neither the youngsters nor the old, toothless folk will be interested in the final product, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Uninformed chatter will only take you as far as here:
EVE's average player is 34 years old and that average has been growing every year.
Player loyalty? Of course. But also that once you've played everything, then there are not many aternatives left... how many "mature" games are out there? Let alone "mature" MMOs?
And yet EVE's endgame is better suit to jobless sociopaths than to sane people wiht a life. Good luck scaring the sh*t out of ADD children and fu**ing in every way people with a life who can only afford to play EVE in little pieces of time. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.05.16 13:26:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:People who try to change the game before trying to adapt.
This.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |

highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
71
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Posted - 2012.05.16 13:39:00 -
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The one thing that is hurting eve?
Crybaby highsec carebears that don't understand EVE is a sandbox
Eventually the game weeds them out though, thankfully. My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.05.16 13:46:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: And yet EVE's endgame is better suit to jobless sociopaths than to sane people wiht a life. Good luck scaring the sh*t out of ADD children and fu**ing in every way people with a life who can only afford to play EVE in little pieces of time.
"I Heartily Endorse This Statement"
This, more than anything else really.
2 Alt accounts expire in 5 days, the other 2 in about 4 weeks due to the mistake of paying up ahead of time.
My Casual A** is out of here. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
271
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:11:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:the all seeing free intel giving window that is local
Got to ask what it's telling you?
Can you see what ships they are in?
Can you see if they are afk or at the computer?
Can you see their ships configuration?
Can you see who is I their fleet?
Can you tell if they are passing through or scouting a larger fleet?
Most of the above local doesn't help with. All except the most barmy suggestions give some of this information. I'm Not sure eve is ever going to be fun with the suggestions vs local.
So although I'm questioning you here, I'm not disagreeing. F10 doubley so for intel. Rarely is the delay long enough to shroud activity. ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
720
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:15:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
EVE's average player is 34 years old and that average has been growing every year.
Player loyalty? Of course. But also that once you've played everything, then there are not many aternatives left... how many "mature" games are out there? Let alone "mature" MMOs?
And yet EVE's endgame is better suit to jobless sociopaths than to sane people wiht a life. Good luck scaring the sh*t out of ADD children and fu**ing in every way people with a life who can only afford to play EVE in little pieces of time.
There is no "endgame" in a sandbox.
And you certainly appear very mature indeed.
There are two kinds of people, those who do, and those who make excuses.
In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |

bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:bongsmoke wrote:You think advice, even if its not your version, should be bannable? Advice shouldn't be. Tricking them into not playing the game and wasting their time on irrelevancies should be. It borders on RL fraud. The things I listed isn't GÇ£adviceGÇ¥ GÇö it's blatant deception about how the game works and how to get the most out of it. It perpetuates the lie about having to train forever before doing anything. It perpetuates the lie about the helplessness and uselessness of newbies. This is griefing to the highest degree and is far more damaging than, say, can baiting, because while the latter exploits the newbies' unfamiliarity of the game mechanics, the former makes them never learn any mechanics to begin with.
This game, in case you haven't played it, is built around deception. You can get scammed, ransomed, blown to smithereens, but god and heaven forbid someone tells new players low/null sec should be avoided at all costs, your propaganda campaign is going nowhere.
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Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:It's us, right? Nahh
You are just anoying. |

TRUE ZER0
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:32:00 -
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MNG In before lock. |
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Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:33:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Local Supercaps Jump drives Battlecruisers Freighters in highsec
1 100 % agree 2 1000% agree 3 10000000% agree 4 Not sure bit of a problem but tier cide should mitigate that 5 it is not the ship it is the possibility to travel from one Empire to other one without crossing low sec.
Freighter sure can be in high but there shold be a low sec zone between each empires no jita to amarr to rens to Dodixie Afk runs.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
216
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:34:00 -
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NPE should pod the new player at some point after giving them implants. +1 in local |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:43:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Multiboxing and alt accounts.
Being limited to one account per person would solve SOOOOO many problems. And create many more, namely seriously depleted income for CCP. Besides, you could NEVER stop it...
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
82
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:46:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:People who try to change the game before trying to adapt.
WINNER!
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:People who try to change the game before trying to adapt. WINNER!
And those who try to change the game AFTER trying to adapt are, what, Losers ? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Leemi Sobo
48
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:25:00 -
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Niko Takahashi wrote:Jumpdrives fast travel in general ... also jumpclones IMO
ShahFluffers wrote:Multiboxing and alt accounts.
Being limited to one account per person would solve SOOOOO many problems. at least we can dream about a future without alts 
HVAC Repairman wrote:Clone costs for the higher SP characters i had never thought i would agree with a goon publicly, but an empty clone which is more expensive than the fitted ship is ridiculous and it's the only reason which prevents me from flying frigs 
Gilbaron wrote:also a lack of PvP content for groups of 10-15 players that is not "lets go on a roam"
or better: an actual reason to fight, not just "lets go on a roam" there should be more industy out there ... back in 06 we lost a miningops while the scout was asleep 
Torneach wrote:Killmails and instant local. no more killmail whoring logistics if there would only be lossmails and as a bonus no more "free" fitting intel
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
219
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:27:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:And those who try to change the game AFTER trying to adapt are, what, Losers ? No, they just need to adapt more. +1 in local |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:30:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote: No, they just need to adapt more.
 Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
1023
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:02:00 -
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Immortality through clones.
Some problems just cry for a more permanent solution. 
-.- |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
175
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:04:00 -
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Boring PvE and introductory player content.
No bait or anything to really hook the trial players into the game. People try, say this is dull, leave. Reduced retained trials to expand into everything else. |
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
262
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:05:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Multiboxing and alt accounts.
Being limited to one account per person would solve SOOOOO many problems.
This. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
627
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Posted - 2012.05.16 19:36:00 -
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Roime wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
EVE's average player is 34 years old and that average has been growing every year.
Player loyalty? Of course. But also that once you've played everything, then there are not many aternatives left... how many "mature" games are out there? Let alone "mature" MMOs?
And yet EVE's endgame is better suit to jobless sociopaths than to sane people wiht a life. Good luck scaring the sh*t out of ADD children and fu**ing in every way people with a life who can only afford to play EVE in little pieces of time.
There is no "endgame" in a sandbox. And you certainly appear very mature indeed. There are two kinds of people, those who do, and those who make excuses.
Well, then EVE is not a sandbox as it certainly does have endgame content.  EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1139
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Posted - 2012.05.16 19:43:00 -
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Too much minecraft Not enough Eve The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Pres Crendraven
23
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:12:00 -
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Having to pay for ships Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |

Max Essen
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
14
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:23:00 -
[175] - Quote
Me, I am the problem. Think I may have to take a couple months break.
Fake Edit: No you can't have my stuff, I'll be back! |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
496
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:38:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: And yet EVE's endgame is better suit to jobless sociopaths than to sane people wiht a life. Good luck scaring the sh*t out of ADD children and fu**ing in every way people with a life who can only afford to play EVE in little pieces of time.
News: armchair psychologist labels people enjoying pixel spaceships 'sociopaths'. Dumbest comment in this thread so far
Fabulousli Obvious wrote: "I Heartily Endorse This Statement"
This, more than anything else really.
2 Alt accounts expire in 5 days, the other 2 in about 4 weeks due to the mistake of paying up ahead of time.
My Casual A** is out of here. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I have introduced that many players with the buddy invite system in the past few weeks and they're enjoying the game, I think it's a fair exchange, one whiner with his alts doing the old 'I'm unsubbing all my alts' for several players who actually enjoy the game and may well have multiple accounts themselves. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
257
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:44:00 -
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Local |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
725
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Posted - 2012.05.16 21:15:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:[ Well, then EVE is not a sandbox as it certainly does have endgame content. 
Care to enlighten us about your opinion on what is EVE's endgame content? When you reach level 80?
I think "endgame" is just another term that doesn't even belong to EVE, like "playstyle", PVP, PVE, crafting and quests.
In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1004
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Posted - 2012.05.16 21:21:00 -
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Badposters. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
464
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Posted - 2012.05.16 21:55:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:The elderly "how do i babby with job?" demographic isn't the target of the video game industry anyway. Those people shouldn't be the focus of the development process. If the player base is growing older at such an alarming rate, then something is terribly wrong with that process, because the game is obviously not attracting younger players. In fact, it might be a sign that CCP is focusing on these older players, who are going to quit anyway simply because they're too busy to play games as they get older.
If EVE is dumbed down with autopilot features such as arena pvp and high-sec invulnerability in order to appeal to the "play while feed babby" crowd at the expense of the type of players that gave it long-term success, then it's going to be in a very difficult position, since the former won't notice, and the latter will be alienated.
It's like making soup out of a sandwich; neither the youngsters nor the old, toothless folk will be interested in the final product, albeit for entirely different reasons. Uninformed chatter will only take you as far as here: EVE's average player is 34 years old and that average has been growing every year. Player loyalty? Of course. But also that once you've played everything, then there are not many aternatives left... how many "mature" games are out there? Let alone "mature" MMOs? Claiming that there are no "mature" games out there just makes you look like a pretentious jackass. Are you really trying to say that out of the ten or so million people playing WoW, for example, there isn't a single mature guild/community?
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:And yet EVE's endgame is better suit to jobless sociopaths than to sane people wiht a life. Good luck scaring the sh*t out of ADD children and fu**ing in every way people with a life who can only afford to play EVE in little pieces of time. There we go, the pinnacle of maturity. |
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