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Kejlee
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Posted - 2009.06.09 19:02:00 -
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Hi,
I am wondering how fast do drones die from Sleepers in wormhole systems?
I was thinking of taking a Dominix to class 3 WH system. Along with some RR for my drones.
What size of RR and how many of them would be necessary to repair my drones?
Or am I better off in a non-drone ship?
Thanks.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.06.09 19:20:00 -
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In the sites my corp has done, Sleepers tend to target drones fairly quickly, and take them out just as fast. We rarely have time to call them in before they're destroyed.
Personally I wouldn't depend on them to do a majority of your damage.
That being said, they're not without uses. The light drones are hardest to hit, and they're a bit more survivable as a result once the frigates and most of the cruisers are down. You can then use them to swarm the battleships which will be unable to track them.
They also make excellent decoys if you find that you've attracted too much attention. Pop some lights, sic them on a target, and if you're lucky the Sleepers will shift their focus to them.
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Canute Minealot
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Posted - 2009.06.10 09:08:00 -
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search this forum abit, there is allready a thread about how someone solo WH's with drones.
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Jetto
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Posted - 2009.06.10 09:20:00 -
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It depends and maybe it is random.
I would like to find a tactic to fight sleepers with the help of drones.
I try to do close combat with a Myrmidon, launching my drone when I'm close to the target so I can remote my med T2 drones.
Unfortunately it take time to get close to the target and if you are targeted during approach you just have time to warp out (Last time I wait to warp out I loose my ship). Of course this is only possible if you are not alone in site.
Maybe 2 Myrmidon with the same configuration with RR would be great.
It take also time to target drone to remote it so, in fact, I return it to drone bay and launch an other one.
I think this is the last chance to make drone useful in W-space.
I'm thinking of doing the same kind of tactic with a Dominix. I mean being static and using sentry drone against target from 10 to 30km, following target and using medium drone against target closer, doing close combat against BS if I can.
But there is many hole in that tactic. At least for target farer than 30km. I also need to do enough DPS with just my drones to kill Sleepers.
At now I don't find A fit for my Dominix I am comfortable with.
I think that Drake have a very big advantage into W-Space. But I'm fare, I will give us a tips that save a corpmate : If you are scramb and you do not tank sleepers, launch your drones, there is chance that sleepers switch target to your drone and give you time to warp out.
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Bloody Rabbit
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Posted - 2009.06.10 09:23:00 -
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I use Ewar drones very well in W-space, the pirate warped in and I unleashed them and warped off.
Other than that not so much, the Ewar drones were eaten alive by the sleepers.
When are we getting T2 Ewar drones......
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ArcDragon
Caldari FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:00:00 -
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I have lost over 650 T1 drones in a 3 hour span, we lost 1000+ drones working that same site.
Use only T1 drones against sleepers and you could not possibly bring enough. |
Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.06.11 01:50:00 -
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I've pulled about 300 mil of loot/salv out of class 1/2/3's.
I lost 5 drones initially, haven't lost another.
Its how you use your drones. I use sentry drone a lot and 2 ships and dont have a problem loosing drones. |
Qaedienne
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Posted - 2009.06.11 03:27:00 -
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Short answer, you're better off in another ship.
Sentry drones work, but you have to watch them and be ready to scoop them. Medium and large drones are too easy to target and get eaten if aggro'd. Scout drones have better survivability, but will still get smacked around shockingly easy.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Celia Therone on 11/06/2009 05:12:27 It depends on what sorts of ships you're fighting.
In a class two or three wormhole you generally fight a lot of frigates with webifiers. If they target one of your drones then it can be hit by half a dozen simultaneous webifiers and almost certainly popped (unless it's a sentry and you can just scoop it).
If the ships that you are shooting at have remote repair backup then anything less than a large drone is pretty much worthless unless you are incredibly lucky (or possibly have maxed out all of your drone skills). You can lure the frigates out of remote repair range of the cruisers with care though.
Remote repair is a handy capability to have so that you don't have to leave the wormhole to fix up your drones (armor rep drones work), however imho it's pretty much worthless when you're actually in combat. Your drones simply don't last long enough for this to be a practical counter to incoming damage.
You can try using ewar to gain threat, but I've had mixed results from this.
Edit: I've done all of my wormhole combat in drone boats so it is possible. It can be expensive though. I've gravitated towards light scouts, heavies and sentries (mostly as a damage sponge as my sentry skills suck.)
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Janine Ramsey
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Posted - 2009.06.11 11:21:00 -
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I honestly dont know what the problem is to use drones in c1 - c3. I have lost around 4 drones in 10 weeks of living in a c3. I use dom/ishtar with t2 drones , only thing is u dont launch them first thing u do unless u use t2 sentries but then stay put so u can scoop them if needed. Together with a large remote repper they are hard to loose unless u dont pay attention (aka u sleep on the keyboard :P). Use drones in lowest possible range, long travel range is a certain way to loose them.
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Nambu
Caldari Black Mesa
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:47:00 -
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I lost 2 hammerhead 2s in a Class 6 anomoly last night, the keys to keeping them alive: I tried to keep them within 5km, and keep aggo on yourself. We accomplished this decently as we had 4 Scorps jamming the sleepers, they didnt like that one bit (disliked the painter even more).
So I think one thing to keep your drones alive is to pose more of a thread ala e-war. Sleepers dont like e-war, they virtually ignored our Raven until he whipped out a painter. |
Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari Free Spirits
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Posted - 2009.06.15 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nambu I lost 2 hammerhead 2s in a Class 6 anomoly last night, the keys to keeping them alive: I tried to keep them within 5km, and keep aggo on yourself. We accomplished this decently as we had 4 Scorps jamming the sleepers, they didnt like that one bit (disliked the painter even more).
Im close (5 days) to use T2 minmatar drones myself, What are your levels in droneskills like:
Drone Durability Drone Sharpshooting Drone Navigation
Just to mention a few, as i asume the extra MWD speed the little critters gain will make them take less dmg and what would the extra damage help on the frigate sized ships to get down before they are killed?
Really interrested in that :) |
Terrus Valkin
Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.15 18:54:00 -
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Classes 1-2, I've never seen them target drones. 3 and 4, they tend to do so but it is manageable if you have replacements and you call them in when they're under fire. Class 5, they don't always aggro drones but when they do you're going to lose at least a few before they get back. Never done a class 6. |
Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.06.15 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Celia Therone on 15/06/2009 20:40:32
Originally by: Ashmira Wintereyes
Just to mention a few, as i asume the extra MWD speed the little critters gain will make them take less dmg and what would the extra damage help on the frigate sized ships to get down before they are killed?
Really interrested in that :)
Sorry, forums ate initial post.
If you're fighting the weakest sleepers then faster drones can make a big difference.
If you're fighting a lot of webifying drones then the extra speed doesn't help that much.
If you're fighting webifying sleepers with remote repair backup then you need heavy hitting drones to take down the webifying frigates before the remote repair kicks in.
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