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Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:25:00 - [1] This issue relates to an ongoing duscussion in the market discussion part of the forum: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1093130&page=2 I used to think that RMT/isk farming had a minimal effect one the game/market, but this would indicate that it goes deeper than that. It's one thing to use market bots, but to involve 0.0 powerblocks and affect the GTC market and the character market makes it very different. Is CCP looking in to this(TM) or are they turning a blind eye? Surely something of such magnitude could not evade their observation? Read the thread, have a think. I think it's time for something to be done. The information in the thread suggests large scale market manipulation and trading characters for real money. Nobody buys 10+ characters per month at buyout price. That doesn't even make sense. I could understand somebody trying to resell characters, but then you wouldn't buy them at buyout. I think some investigation and possible bans are in order.
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:26:00 - [2] Supporting this thread.
Dragonz Fire The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:30:00 - [3] I support this
XetC	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:44:00 - [4] Hope they are able to do something though I am not sure how.
Ta'jek Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:44:00 - [5] all for them looking into it closely
Sucker Free	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:47:00 - [6] totally for this! how about remove all bots, not just market bots :D
Server Monkey	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:48:00 - [7] drives me to tears. The mechanics of the market will need to be altered. BOTs won't go away but penalties need to be hammered on those who use them. Detection being the key.
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:56:00 - [8] I cannot claim to know the solution to this problem, but I agree that it is worth the CSM's attention as well as CCP's.
Solostrom	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:57:00 - [9] This topic deserves not only the CSM attention but the attention of Internal Affairs, the GMs, and the Devs. If one player can root this out... then EVERYONE @ CCP should be FIRED!
RJ Nobel	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:59:00 - [10] I fully support an investigation and public report on this issue.

Kata Dakini Flatiron Academy	Posted - 2009.06.09 23:15:00 - [11] An autistic girl at the school I work at always calls me a robot (wobot actually). However, I am not. I look forward to a new age in Eve, please address this issue. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Tsubutai	Posted - 2009.06.09 23:37:00 - [12] Ayup, supportin' dis.
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.06.09 23:44:00 - [13] This crapp has to be fixed asap, it's prioritary!
Juliet SoulBurner	Posted - 2009.06.09 23:46:00 - [14] CAPTCHA?
von hohenheim	Posted - 2009.06.10 00:53:00 - [15] Definitely support this!
EvilSpork	Posted - 2009.06.10 01:26:00 - [16] +1 to support. bots suck. they throw off the balance of the game. i enjoy my cheap modules and whatnot that i can currently buy, but someone making IRL money by screwing up my in game economy... no bueno.
Kal London	Posted - 2009.06.10 01:38:00 - [17] IDK if CCP is willing to tackle this, but it's long overdue and obvious
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.06.10 01:50:00 - [18] I don't like bots more than anyone else, but all this guy's done is trace alts. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to want a lot of alts. This isn't proof - this isn't even close to proof. If you're going to ban the number of accounts that this sort of activity implies, you're going to need a hell of a lot better reason than "he bought alts and didn't shave pennies doing it". And no, "he updates his trades quickly" is not proof that he's a bot. Provide some actual evidence and you might get somewhere, provide this level of fantabulation and I won't blame CCP for ignoring you. It's easy to say "fix the bot problem!!!1!", but you're not the one whose ass is out on the line, trying to tell legitimate, dedicated players that because they're too good at your game they're not allowed to play any more. Just how many honest players are you willing to false-positive accounts away from in your pursuit of a bot-free game? And don't bother answering that question - it's painfully obvious that most of you haven't even considered it. Yeah, I'd like to see fewer, but I'm not stupid enough to think that CCP is just ignoring the problem - unlike you, they actually have to look at the consequences of the decisions that you want them to make. No wonder they're more cautious than you lot.
Kal London	Posted - 2009.06.10 01:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto I don't like bots more than anyone else, but all this guy's done is trace alts. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to want a lot of alts. This isn't proof - this isn't even close to proof. If you're going to ban the number of accounts that this sort of activity implies, you're going to need a hell of a lot better reason than "he bought alts and didn't shave pennies doing it". And no, "he updates his trades quickly" is not proof that he's a bot. Provide some actual evidence and you might get somewhere, provide this level of fantabulation and I won't blame CCP for ignoring you. It's easy to say "fix the bot problem!!!1!", but you're not the one whose ass is out on the line, trying to tell legitimate, dedicated players that because they're too good at your game they're not allowed to play any more. Just how many honest players are you willing to false-positive accounts away from in your pursuit of a bot-free game? And don't bother answering that question - it's painfully obvious that most of you haven't even considered it. Yeah, I'd like to see fewer, but I'm not stupid enough to think that CCP is just ignoring the problem - unlike you, they actually have to look at the consequences of the decisions that you want them to make. No wonder they're more cautious than you lot. ouch. How's botting working out for you? jk? "trying to tell legitimate, dedicated players that because they're too good at your game they're not allowed to play any more" The problem is they're not legitimate, dedicated players, but akin to chinese gold farmers in WOW. Yea, it's one thing to say "You're reducing your own income" to get rid of the bots. But is it really worth it to the point where "legitimate, dedicated players" don't want to play anymore because it's ruining the game for everyone else?
Bunyip Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.06.10 02:59:00 - [20] During my stay in Reykjavik, I brought this issue up with the devs. They said that proof is the hard part, but that they're working on it. I was expecting some kind of action that would've rocked their world (due to the NDA, I can't go into details), but it still hasn't happened after 4+ months. It seems it will now happen SOON (Sometime Or Often Never). Something needs to be done, as this kind of abuse is offsetting the very thing that attracts many players (the laissez-faire market system). The effects also trickle down, and yet CCP has yet to exert any major effort without a huge effect (the POS exploit). Fly to any ice belt in high-sec, and you'll find some real players, but also a lot of bots. NPC 0.0 space is also pretty full of em. Caldari mission-runners tend to have a lot, and courier missions in low-sec are also pretty insane for botters. While I don't know what can be done, I've submitted ideas in the past. Something has to be done, and soon (sans the TM). Supported. "May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table.

Krathos Morpheus Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.10 03:26:00 - [21] Yes, please.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.10 04:07:00 - [22] You guys make me laugh... seriously... It's utterly hilarious. "We should fire all of CCP if a single player can resolve this!" I lol'd ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Humwawa Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.06.10 05:08:00 - [23] Also do something again the macrominers and couriermission bots !!!! SUPPORTED
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.10 05:38:00 - [24] the post linked by the op just got locked while i was reading it
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.10 09:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Bunyip Fly to any ice belt in high-sec, and you'll find some real players, but also a lot of bots. Curious as I see exactly the opposite. I go to the ice belts in high sec that I know, some very near to Amarr, and I see only characters with regular names, doing what appears to be not botted ice mining. Naturally, I can't prove they aren't bots exactly as you can't prove they are. I think it is a matter of prospective: you (and a lot of people) want to mark as bots everyone that is not you mining and proof be dammed, I think that what is not proved can be suspected but is not proved. BTW: to the OP. Link the thread title. The link is not working currently.
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 09:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Venkul Mul BTW: to the OP. Link the thread title. The link is not working currently. lol, WTB tinfoil hat, in bulk. Need at least three family sets. Will pay cash! The thread has been erased (no, not locked, evaporated), so I can't link it I'm afraid. It was working yesterday, but today it's gone. I wonder why. I NEED SOME TINFOIL HATS!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.10 09:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Fille Balle Originally by: Venkul Mul BTW: to the OP. Link the thread title. The link is not working currently. lol, WTB tinfoil hat, in bulk. Need at least three family sets. Will pay cash! The thread has been erased (no, not locked, evaporated), so I can't link it I'm afraid. It was working yesterday, but today it's gone. I wonder why. I NEED SOME TINFOIL HATS! Link it from Chribba server then (EVE files).
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 10:55:00 - [28] Righty o', new linky: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1093130/page/1
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Drake Draconis You guys make me laugh... seriously... It's utterly hilarious. "We should fire all of CCP if a single player can resolve this!" I lol'd You are the laugh here. Is not about firing anyone, but about bots. Anyone not supporting this is indirecttly supporting bots and agaisnt-eula advantage, what about CCP enforcing their own rules or making the gamefair for all? Stop this crapp. Is unfair for dedicated traders, and against-EULA when is a scheme for RMT.
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ Originally by: Drake Draconis You guys make me laugh... seriously... It's utterly hilarious. "We should fire all of CCP if a single player can resolve this!" I lol'd You are the laugh here. Is not about firing anyone, but about bots. Anyone not supporting this is indirecttly supporting bots and agaisnt-eula advantage, what about CCP enforcing their own rules or making the gamefair for all? Stop this crapp. Is unfair for dedicated traders, and against-EULA when is a scheme for RMT. Actually, using bots/macro's is against the EULA irrespective of RMT. In my opinion, they should either allow bots/macro's, or do something about it. At the moment the only people that "can" use bots are people with a lot of resources and knowledge, as they can hide what they're doing better. This is why I feel that something needs to be done. I really don't feel that a lot is being done atm. All the threads I see about this every day kinda proves me right. The average player gets booted for botting/macroing, where as the big organized operations that have a real impact on the game get away with it. Unfair advantage anyone?



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