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Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jhango Fett Because there are no real punishments against banks/bank employees in EVE, banks should only be trusted to safely and securely hold onto your hard earned ISK.
Wait a minute. My wallet already does that!
HAHA. SCAMMED SON!
I really wished people would read a bit more before posting...
The only people who got scammed are the owner of Ebank. It was a corp theft. The isk deposited by numerous players is safe and can still be withdrawn.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 23:08:00 -
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With the whole corporate dividends/taxing this and that/contracts and trading Eve features, why hasn't CCP created an internal Ebank accessible through the game? ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.10 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Sader Rykane (Ya, thats right I'm looking at you Chribba )
Shame I have to wait until CCP closes TQ to make the final post "Told you so", but it will be worth the wait
I'm sure the post will be chock full of lulz and roflz. |
Amarrlookindude
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Posted - 2009.06.11 03:39:00 -
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We demand a public apology post from EBank for misleading players and seeming to be legit! |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: StationSpinner
Originally by: Blane Xero Yeah, Anyway good luck to you LaVista, i know this is gonna weigh heavily on you guys for a while.
Kinda like ricdic's nuts on ebank's collective face lol
Preserving this so it lives long after it gets modded |
Iateyourgoatforbreakfast
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:41:00 -
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:41:00 -
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What's interesting to me is that this all would have been 100% CCP approved if only he hadn't sold the ISK. It was the RMT that turned this into a legal nightmare for those involved.
Without the RMT, this would have just been a 200B corp theft. Notable, but not quite so angst-inducing.
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Uronksur Suth
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin What's interesting to me is that this all would have been 100% CCP approved if only he hadn't sold the ISK. It was the RMT that turned this into a legal nightmare for those involved.
Without the RMT, this would have just been a 200B corp theft. Notable, but not quite so angst-inducing.
Yep, I like how CCP lets us do what we want, ANYTHING we want, provided there is no real life money involved.
And really, I'm not surprised at all that this happened. I am surprised that he was stupid enough to try and sell the ISK.
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Amarrlookindude
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:49:00 -
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This is the beauty of EVE. I mean we might actually give credit to EBank if they just openly admitted that they were part of a huge scam, but instead we get excuses and blame.
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Johnny Darkseid
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Uronksur Suth And really, I'm not surprised at all that this happened. I am surprised that he was stupid enough to try and sell the ISK.
Well lets see just how stupid ricdic was.
Bad Stuff.
Lost his account with all the time he spent training it and whatever rl monies he paid for his sub which even after several years of playing is still only a few hundred $$$.
Good Stuff.
Gained $5K~$10K rl monies which can easily purchase another account and gtc's to buy tons of well skilled characters and goes right back to playing eve. Pockets the 97% leftovers and scores on lots of blow and hookers for years to come.
Yeah ricdic was a fool.
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:03:00 -
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Huh? I don't see how "Ebank" was part of a scam. Touchy, defensive and naive, perhaps, but i dunno about the scam part. Athe's (mispelling that, no doubt) response to someone posting their withdrawl experience comes across as rather snarky (you'd get written up for a customer service response like that tbh) and LaVV quotes 30B as the maximum theft exposure possible, which turned out to be off by nearly an order of magnitude, bolded because any excuse to cite orders of magnitude is a good one.
I expect the bank will absorb the loss and carry on. On the one hand, the fanboi depositors will live in a blissful world where nothing bad will ever happen and the bank is to be trusted completely; and on the other, the conspiracy theorists will scream in unholy ecstasy as they perceive their doomsaying come to pass; but somewhere in the middle, the bank will muddle through, tighten up, screen people a little better, get a little more paranoid with who's allowed to do what, and it'll be at least a year before the next theft.
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Uronksur Suth
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Darkseid
Originally by: Uronksur Suth And really, I'm not surprised at all that this happened. I am surprised that he was stupid enough to try and sell the ISK.
Well lets see just how stupid ricdic was.
Bad Stuff.
Lost his account with all the time he spent training it and whatever rl monies he paid for his sub which even after several years of playing is still only a few hundred $$$.
Good Stuff.
Gained $5K~$10K rl monies which can easily purchase another account and gtc's to buy tons of well skilled characters and goes right back to playing eve. Pockets the 97% leftovers and scores on lots of blow and hookers for years to come.
Yeah ricdic was a fool.
Of course there's always the incredibly minor possibility CCP might sue for breaking the ToS. Maybe they'll ban his IP? They could complain to his ISP, they could ban all accounts that are registered with his name/address/email/credit cards and refuse transactions from his former payment accounts or accounts in his name.
The guy who bought the ISK probably won't do too well.
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Johnny Darkseid
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:21:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Darkseid on 11/06/2009 06:22:25
Originally by: Uronksur Suth Of course there's always the incredibly minor possibility CCP might sue for breaking the ToS. Maybe they'll ban his IP? They could complain to his ISP, they could ban all accounts that are registered with his name/address/email/credit cards and refuse transactions from his former payment accounts or accounts in his name.
The guy who bought the ISK probably won't do too well.
CCP sueing ricdic? For what? All this free publicity? lol!
His isp will not do anything to him for breaking the rules of a game, ever, and all he has to do to get another account is to change his ip and use false info on his new account creation then pay with gtc. I rather think he can afford the slightly higher price of them now I would imagine.
As far as the guy who bought dirty isk I hope they ban him the stupid git.
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Uronksur Suth
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Darkseid
CCP sueing ricdic? For what? All this free publicity? lol!
His isp will not do anything to him for breaking the rules of a game, ever, and all he has to do to get another account is to change his ip and use false info on his new account creation then pay with gtc. I rather think he can afford the slightly higher price of them now I would imagine.
As far as the guy who bought dirty isk I hope they ban him the stupid git.
Lol I agree, I'm sure he's already back. I was just speculating on what they could try to keep him out. And the guy who bought the ISK is a complete idiot. They probably just banned his account. And if he had the brains to attempt to pass it through a few alt accounts, they'll just follow the money to the end, confiscate the ISK and ban the accounts involved. |
Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:36:00 -
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The proper way to launder the ISK is to buy your own character through the secure method using a dummy proxy account.
CCP would have a hell of a time with that one. |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.11 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Uronksur Suth
Originally by: Bad Harlequin What's interesting to me is that this all would have been 100% CCP approved if only he hadn't sold the ISK. It was the RMT that turned this into a legal nightmare for those involved.
Without the RMT, this would have just been a 200B corp theft. Notable, but not quite so angst-inducing.
Yep, I like how CCP lets us do what we want, ANYTHING we want, provided there is no real life money involved.
And really, I'm not surprised at all that this happened. I am surprised that he was stupid enough to try and sell the ISK.
Well the only reason he did it (or so it seems) is FOR the real life money. Clearly he knew the risks (sweeping account bans), but he did it anyway. The ingame money was meaningless to him, it was the fact that he could change it to RL money that made it important.
Basicly, if he couldn't have done the RMT then he wouldn't have scammed EBANK in the first place. |
Johnny Darkseid
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.06.11 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane Basicly, if he couldn't have done the RMT then he wouldn't have scammed EBANK in the first place.
I would add that there probably *would not have been an ebank* founded at all in that case. |
ShadowMaiden
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.06.11 23:30:00 -
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ITT- we try to sound intellectual about pretend money
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.11 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Darkseid
Originally by: Sader Rykane Basicly, if he couldn't have done the RMT then he wouldn't have scammed EBANK in the first place.
I would add that there probably *would not have been an ebank* founded at all in that case.
Because opening a bank just to sting it multiple years later is definitely a great time investment for the money. Given pricing he got no more than $4k and thats being optimistic. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Johnny Darkseid
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.06.11 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Johnny Darkseid
Originally by: Sader Rykane Basicly, if he couldn't have done the RMT then he wouldn't have scammed EBANK in the first place.
I would add that there probably *would not have been an ebank* founded at all in that case.
Because opening a bank just to sting it multiple years later is definitely a great time investment for the money. Given pricing he got no more than $4k and thats being optimistic.
Well lets see.
Joined in june 2004 and left in june 2009. He played the game for exactly 5 years and arguably has experienced all there is to experience in eve and then some so he should be well satisfied with all his time playing. Btw the total bill if he paid on the monthly rate and didn't use isk to purchase gametime is only $897. So that optimistic $4k not only paid for all his time playing eve but left him with lots leftover to do with as he wishes. So yeah considering he probably knew he would get quickly banned for rmt its not suprising he chose to pick his five year aniversery to do it. Reeks of well crafted long term plans to me.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.06.11 23:56:00 -
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lolz - noobs trust people they meet in EVE
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.12 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Darkseid
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Johnny Darkseid
Originally by: Sader Rykane Basicly, if he couldn't have done the RMT then he wouldn't have scammed EBANK in the first place.
I would add that there probably *would not have been an ebank* founded at all in that case.
Because opening a bank just to sting it multiple years later is definitely a great time investment for the money. Given pricing he got no more than $4k and thats being optimistic.
Well lets see.
Joined in june 2004 and left in june 2009. He played the game for exactly 5 years and arguably has experienced all there is to experience in eve and then some so he should be well satisfied with all his time playing. Btw the total bill if he paid on the monthly rate and didn't use isk to purchase gametime is only $897. So that optimistic $4k not only paid for all his time playing eve but left him with lots leftover to do with as he wishes. So yeah considering he probably knew he would get quickly banned for rmt its not suprising he chose to pick his five year aniversery to do it. Reeks of well crafted long term plans to me.
A 5 year plot for ~$3200 hardly seems like it would be worth the effort don't you think? I mean all the time an energy spent to build up an e-rep found a back, countless man hours spent to rip it off for enough to pay for half a pre-2000 used Honda Civic?
On second thought, it was clearly worth every second.
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Johnny Darkseid
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.06.12 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane A 5 year plot for ~$3200 hardly seems like it would be worth the effort don't you think? I mean all the time an energy spent to build up an e-rep found a back, countless man hours spent to rip it off for enough to pay for half a pre-2000 used Honda Civic?
On second thought, it was clearly worth every second.
Considering it was probably only a small slice of what he did in eve I would say the payoff was very time effecient. Or do you think he spent 23/7 working the ebank books? It sounds to me the guy sat down one night and wrote down all the stuff he wanted to do in eve. Somewhere on the list was make a bank to mess about with and finally rob when he was tired of eve and made the descision to quit. That would be like faithfully working for a bank for years but secretly when you knew it was time to move to the islands you would use your inside knowledge to grab a few hundred thousand to stick in an offshore account and go live in paradise. He played eve till the fun was over then enabled a long term plan to cash out at the end. Man for supposed crafty eve players filled to the brim with scams and scemes you are all having a hard time wrapping your head around the epicness of this heist. Especially as the popular 'troll' opinion at the time of ebanks founding was that ricdic was going to pull one sooner or later and look at what happened. |
Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ms Delerium on 12/06/2009 02:09:02 uh? how you do the calculations?
I often get spam mails from isk sellers... "fghasiudyasi" and friends, you know.
usually 1b = 30$ approximately. He robbed 200b + 275b = 475b so 475*30= 14,250 US$
Now I'd like to know how much he managed to sell. C'mon no one on Earth would spend 14k on the game. You need lets say 100customers or more, 140US$ as average is saying pretty enough.
p.s. Yo Ricdic!!! Im sure you reading this right now. Enjoy your new-used Mazda RX7
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 12/06/2009 02:43:03
Originally by: Ms Delerium Edited by: Ms Delerium on 12/06/2009 02:09:02 uh? how you do the calculations?
I often get spam mails from isk sellers... "fghasiudyasi" and friends, you know.
usually 1b = 30$ approximately. He robbed 200b + 275b = 475b so 475*30= 14,250 US$
Now I'd like to know how much he managed to sell. C'mon no one on Earth would spend 14k on the game. You need lets say 100customers or more, 140US$ as average is saying pretty enough.
p.s. Yo Ricdic!!! Im sure you reading this right now. Enjoy your new-used Mazda RX7
FIRST OFF.
He didn't steal the 275b Unsecured loan.
SECOND OFF.
Current pricing is around $23 per billion according to my last spam mail (Today)
$4,600
THIRDLY.
He used the money so he didn't lose his ****ing house you ignorant twit.
EDIT: And lastly; his character got banned at roughly 40b left, so considering he initially swiped 230b total, thats only 190b sold. So it goes down to $4,370 |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero FIRST OFF.
He didn't steal the 275b Unsecured loan.
By saying that do you mean that EBANK was scammed twice? uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium C'mon no one on Earth would spend 14k on the game.
Ya reckon?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: Blane Xero FIRST OFF.
He didn't steal the 275b Unsecured loan.
By saying that do you mean that EBANK was scammed twice?
He is referring to a Loan that defaulted two months ago (According to the Official market discussion thread) Go read the damn thread for the info. It was a corp that was in KIA, that was vouched for by KIAEddz, someone who had vouched for many people and always returned profit. They decided to misuse Eddz trust and run with it. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.12 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sader Rykane on 12/06/2009 12:09:48
Originally by: Ms Delerium
C'mon no one on Earth would spend 14k on the game.
You are so wrong. Hell, Lineage 2 private servers (READ. Free to play), rake in millions from people "donating" money for gear. That's just one example, if I really wanted to I could find you that case of the russian funding his own Eve Online alliance with hundreds of thousands of dollars in RL cash. |
Duvodas Dakerais
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Posted - 2009.06.12 21:16:00 -
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I'm new to the game and find this whole Ebank thing quite interesting.
Only thing I can see with player ran banks in a game like this is that they are fine and dandy until someone who has access to bank funds 1. Gets tired of banking and does a runner with everything they can get thier hands on (As far as I can tell this is a legit yet underhand action). 2. They get bored with the game or decide to quit for whatever reason and decide to make some RL money (Def not allowed but seems to be easy to do).
Just seems to me that there is a real chance/risk that at some point someones going to run of with the money (as much as they can get access to).
Seems like this could be a really interesting game. |
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