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CCP Solomon
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:19:00 -
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Hello,
We are trying to collect as much information as we can to determine if this is a driver issue. The most effective way of getting this information to us is to file a bug report using the in-game tool, this can be accessed by pressing F12.
The in-game bug reporting tool will collect the following information automatically and send it to us with your bug report:
- DXDiag file
- prefs.ini
- screenshots
- logs.txt containing last 1000 lines of in-memory logs from notice and higher.
- methodcalls.txt containing all calls made to the server since the client started
- processHealth.txt containing cpu, memory and network info in 5 second buckets
- settings.yaml containing all your user, public and character settings
If you are unable to use the in-game tool, you can submit issues through the bugs website, but you will need to manually create a DxDiag file yourself and attach it to the web form. Please use the title field to describe the issue, include your graphics card if you believe it is related. You can also use the fields within the bug report tool to describe the reproduction steps that most reliably make your game crash.
There is an excellent page on bug reporting at the EVE Wiki. The more of these reports we can get, the easier it is to pattern match and the more effective our case for change will be.
As others in the thread have mentioned, you can try rolling back your drivers in the interim to see if the issue is no longer present.
Thanks for your continued patience.
Associate Technical Producer - Foundation Technology |
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Saber Coombs
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:36:00 -
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Thanks for looking into this. Since the system completely freezes and a hard reboot is necessary, I'm assuming the in-game tool isn't gonig to be very useful. |
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CCP Solomon
C C P C C P Alliance
154
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:40:00 -
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Saber Coombs wrote:Thanks for looking into this. Since the system completely freezes and a hard reboot is necessary, I'm assuming the in-game tool isn't gonig to be very useful.
The in-game tool is always preferable due to the automatic collection of lots of good information, but as I mentioned in my original reply, if you are unable to use the in-game tool, you can submit issues through the bugs website and attach your DxDiag separately.
Many Thanks. Associate Technical Producer - Foundation Technology |
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Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:50:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Andromeda Cesaille wrote: It's my fault for buying a high tier GPU from one of the TWO only real options? Nvidia and AMD, thats it, there are no other choices. Also AMD and Nvidia has always had about the same amount of **** happening, GPU drivers in general are horrible, it has always been like that, it's not the hardware. Secondly, the card is 100% stable and works fine in a multitude of other games, something in AMD:s drivers somehow conflicts with something in eve:s coding (and potentially a few other games, but if it's the same exact issue, it's hard to say, look up that huge shogun 2 thread about 7xxx series freezing or just 7xxx freezing in general).
Yes, its your fault buying ATI. As for everyone else who does purchase broken things. You know they tend to freeze over years and multiple series of products, thus if you still decide to use that kind of hardware, dont complain if it goes wrong again. I did this mistake too, but accepted it was wrong, got rid of that piece of a sh*t ATI card and put an nVidia GTX 670 card into my PC, working fine since then. Get a driver crashes occassionally which is annoying but its still better than dead stopped PC which then doesnt even reacto to the reset button anymore and requires power off in order to restart it. If hardware freezes/crashes the PC its always hardware/driver fault. That easy. Software does not interact with the hardware directly for decades anymore its always the drivers and OS. No user software should be able to put hardware into a corrupt state like freeze, if the drivers/hardware allow this, its a flaw on their end. Andromeda Cesaille wrote: What's the problem with posting my experience of the issues in a few threads?
because C&P the same cr*ap in multiple threads is called "crossposting" and is considered as spam.
keep bumping our threads bro
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Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:28:00 -
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CCP Solomon wrote:Hello, We are trying to collect as much information as we can to determine if this is a driver issue. The most effective way of getting this information to us is to file a bug report using the in-game tool, this can be accessed by pressing F12. The in-game bug reporting tool will collect the following information automatically and send it to us with your bug report:
- DXDiag file
- prefs.ini
- screenshots
- logs.txt containing last 1000 lines of in-memory logs from notice and higher.
- methodcalls.txt containing all calls made to the server since the client started
- processHealth.txt containing cpu, memory and network info in 5 second buckets
- settings.yaml containing all your user, public and character settings
If you are unable to use the in-game tool, you can submit issues through the bugs website, but you will need to manually create a DxDiag file yourself and attach it to the web form. Please use the title field to describe the issue, include your graphics card if you believe it is related. You can also use the fields within the bug report tool to describe the reproduction steps that most reliably make your game crash. There is an excellent page on bug reporting at the EVE Wiki. The more of these reports we can get, the easier it is to pattern match and the more effective our case for change will be. As others in the thread have mentioned, you can try rolling back your drivers in the interim to see if the issue is no longer present. Thanks for your continued patience.
hd7870 here
i'm using the latest display driver under revision 12.6, but have the same effect in 12.4 and 12.5, so rollbacks don't seem to helping. the behavior starting happening when i upgraded from an hd48xx to the 7870 so this series of gpu is involved.
tried both a fresh Windows 7 install and a fresh EVE client, same issue. no other game causes this.
doesn't seem to be a pattern for when or how the entire system hard locks, but i've noticed it more and more when i'm switching between multiple clients on dual monitors.
due to the hard lock, there's not much logging being done, and virtually nothing in the event viewer besides a critical kernal-power error (pressing the reset button).
regardless, i encourage everyone having this problem to submit the info CCP Soloman requested as it may help them find out what we all have in common that could be causing the freezes.
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ISquishWorms
146
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Posted - 2012.07.13 00:22:00 -
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My client freezes from time to time as well.
It will lock up the PC at random intervals for a period of roughly 30 seconds. I have an NVidia graphics card though.
I don't know if this will help in the search for the problem, but I just had the client lock up on me and when it sprang back into life this is what it had done to the station. Notice my ship manged to render fine on this occasion although I would not say that this is always the case.
I have given up sending in bug reports as all I ever get in return is 'We can not reproduce' emails.
ISquishWorms.
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OrDeR
Muppet Factory Northern Coalition.
84
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:37:00 -
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I have used Nvidia for years and decided to try ATI few months ago with the dual 7970's and it was a big ******* mistake in regards to eve pew. No multi boxing until this is resolved or I rage and buy new cards. Filed 3 bug reports and numerous petitions and it's been over 2 months. One word WIN |
Tau Leece
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:48:00 -
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Just upgraded from a HD 5870 to a HD 7870 due to the 5870 losing the will to live,,,
Gutted... You pay out vast amount of money and you get rewarded with this game freezing on ya....
Mine tends to crash whilst multi boxing only, although that doesnt mean it wont crash with just one loaded, just havent expierenced that yet...
Tried settings to lower standards although that goes against the grain.... Tried repairing, using Eve tool Tried rolling back the drivers
Loading the map seems to be a big no no... Crashed a few times doing that! At least its good to know, its not just me.....
HD 7870 presently using 12.6 drivers Windows 7 - 64 bit I7 930 6Gb Memory On board Sound
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Th3 Ladyship
Red Shift Enterprises
28
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:18:00 -
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Im on an ATI 5700 and I am having the same issues. REALLY ANNOYING as mine tends to happen when I either JUMP or when I warp. ITS A GOOD JOB THEY ARENT IMPORTANT TIMES. Lol :P Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
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Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:04:00 -
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Th3 Ladyship wrote:Im on an ATI 5700 and I am having the same issues. REALLY ANNOYING as mine tends to happen when I either JUMP or when I warp. ITS A GOOD JOB THEY ARENT IMPORTANT TIMES. Lol :P
Entire system lockup?
When did yours start?
If the 5xxx series cards are stuffed the same as the 7xxx cards, Im going to have to give someone a beating. |
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nardaq
Orion Expeditions
22
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:46:00 -
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people, people....
step one: sell ATI Step Two: buy Nvidia Problem solved = WIN!!!
I had no issue with my ATI 4890 for years, until 1.5 patch in April this year. BSOD when i boot up a second or more clients. (and the issue is still exisit )
I waited a week or 2 and was NOT gonna wait longer for CCP to get it fixed. bought a Nvidia and problems are gone. |
Jenny Kitty
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:48:00 -
[42] - Quote
1x HD 7970
I am having the same issue. I was having the same problem with Tera Online.
I am also dualboxing.
Please fix this CCP. |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:42:00 -
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just FYI, this is still not fixed and I'm considering just selling this PoS and buy something that actually works without one year of fixing... oh yeah... lets create a really high performance card which wont work stable for at least 1 year... thet's the whole point of buying expensive ATI ****... ktxhdie ATI...
Also, this happens with only 1 client as well... especially funny during solo pvp... -,- |
Lili Lu
309
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:07:00 -
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nardaq wrote:people, people.... step one: sell ATI Step Two: buy Nvidia Problem solved = WIN!!! I had no issue with my ATI 4890 for years, until 1.5 patch in April this year. BSOD when i boot up a second or more clients. (and the issue is still exisit ) I waited a week or 2 and was NOT gonna wait longer for CCP to get it fixed. bought a Nvidia and problems are gone. unfortunately an nvidia card is not a cure all. there are people having problems with nvidia cards. but good for you that you aren't one of them. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
350
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:49:00 -
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nardaq wrote:people, people.... step one: sell ATI Step Two: buy Nvidia Problem solved = WIN!!! I had no issue with my ATI 4890 for years, until 1.5 patch in April this year. BSOD when i boot up a second or more clients. (and the issue is still exisit ) I waited a week or 2 and was NOT gonna wait longer for CCP to get it fixed. bought a Nvidia and problems are gone.
what this guy said. You can wait AMD to fix the crashes, or just sell their sh*t and buy nvidia.
occasional driver crashes > system freeze
PS: yes I'm mad about AMD, bought one of their products for years I avoided them due to instability issues and all I got were SYSTEM FREEZES! They havent learnt for years, they were always bad and they seem not to improve!! |
Mad B0mber
Cosmology Deadly Unknown
1
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:12:00 -
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I have a radeon 7970 aswell and my reliablity was pretty good u p untill recently somewhere in the last patch or two or three things went wrong..
now i get complete lock ups..
no prgs added, drivers the same. etc etc.. everyhting else works great except EVE
managed to get it to hard crash 3 times in a row going into starmap.. No recovery possible, reset or power down is only fix.
using 12.6 CCC's also tried the 12.7 beta drivers but it made no difference..
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Jenny Kitty
3
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Posted - 2012.07.19 13:10:00 -
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Mad B0mber wrote:I have a radeon 7970 aswell and my reliablity was pretty good u p untill recently somewhere in the last patch or two or three things went wrong..
now i get complete lock ups..
no prgs added, drivers the same. etc etc.. everyhting else works great except EVE
managed to get it to hard crash 3 times in a row going into starmap.. No recovery possible, reset or power down is only fix.
using 12.6 CCC's also tried the 12.7 beta drivers but it made no difference..
What is your config (CPU, SSD, RAM) ?
Are you connecting your monitor via the DisplayPort/HDMI/DVI ?
FYI, no drivers out there will make any difference. I tested all of them from 12.2 to 12.7 beta. AMD hasn't yet fixed it.
I have been doing some testing for the last two months and I recently found a change that affects the freezes (not solving them). It is related to the AMD sound drivers but I'll post more on that later if the tests are conclusive. |
Jenny Kitty
3
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Posted - 2012.07.19 23:54:00 -
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Hi guys,
I have good news to share with you. I have found a fix that works.
I have successfully been able to play with multiple accounts for a long period of time at max settings after the fix.
The problem seems to be related to the HDMI sound drivers that are installed with the AMD drivers. Uninstalling/disabling them has resolved my issue related to freezing while gaming with a single AMD HD 7970.
Before I explain the procedure, here are my current PC specs: - i7 930 OC @4Ghz - 1x MSI HD 7970 connected to 3 monitors via DisplayPort and DVI. - 12G RAM - SSD OCZ Agility 3 - Drivers 12.7 beta installed.
Procedure: 1) Uninstall the HDMI drivers via the "AMD Catalyst Install Manager". Go to Start-> Control Panel -> Uninstall Program -> Right click on "AMD Catalyst Install Manager" and select Change then Uninstall Manager. In the component list, select only the HDMI drivers. Click Next and complete the uninstallation procedure. You will be asked to reboot, click Yes.
2) After rebooting your system, go to Start-> Right click on Computer and then Properties. Select Device Manager on the top left corner. Under the list, expand "Sound, video and game controllers" and check if you have "AMD High Definition Audio Device" (Make sure it is prefixed with "AMD"). If yes, right click and uninstall and reboot. If not, go to next step.
3) Last step is to disable the default Windows HMDI drivers. See screenshot Device Manager. Right click on High Definition Audio Device and then Disable. Reboot. You're done.
Hopefully AMD or CCP fixes the issue in a later patch but for now I can live without it as I am not using my monitor speakers (FYI, DisplayPort/HDMI cables enable video AND sound hence why AMD drivers include sound drivers).
Please let me know if that fixed it for you. |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.21 10:29:00 -
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Jenny Kitty wrote:Hi guys, I have good news to share with you. I have found a fix that works. I have successfully been able to play with multiple accounts for a long period of time at max settings after the fix. The problem seems to be related to the HDMI sound drivers that are installed with the AMD drivers. Uninstalling/disabling them has resolved my issue related to freezing while gaming with a single AMD HD 7970. Before I explain the procedure, here are my current PC specs: - i7 930 OC @4Ghz - 1x MSI HD 7970 connected to 3 monitors via DisplayPort and DVI. - 12G RAM - SSD OCZ Agility 3 - Drivers 12.7 beta installed. - Windows 7 64 bits Procedure: 1) Uninstall the HDMI drivers via the "AMD Catalyst Install Manager". Go to Start-> Control Panel -> Uninstall Program -> Right click on "AMD Catalyst Install Manager" and select Change then Uninstall Manager. In the component list, select only the HDMI drivers. Click Next and complete the uninstallation procedure. You will be asked to reboot, click Yes. 2) After rebooting your system, go to Start-> Right click on Computer and then Properties. Select Device Manager on the top left corner. Under the list, expand "Sound, video and game controllers" and check if you have "AMD High Definition Audio Device" (Make sure it is prefixed with "AMD"). If yes, right click and uninstall and reboot. If not, go to next step. 3) Last step is to disable the default Windows HMDI drivers. See screenshot Device Manager. Right click on High Definition Audio Device and then Disable. Reboot. You're done. Hopefully AMD or CCP fixes the issue in a later patch but for now I can live without it as I am not using my monitor speakers (FYI, DisplayPort/HDMI cables enable video AND sound hence why AMD drivers include sound drivers). Please let me know if that fixed it for you. Thank you for your procedure. Unfortunately it didn't work for me :-( Crashed after ~15 mins, randomly again... |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.07.21 20:56:00 -
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I love all of the people being useful with their comments about ATI supposedly sucking, clearly that will help us fix our problem.
I have heard problems with both ATI and nVidia from all different areas, but thank you for wasting our time and yours by sharing that info.
I tried the supposed fix from Jenny, but sadly it did not work for my either. Thank you anyways.
Bump for the same issue with 2x XFX Radeon HD 6870s @ stock speed. Cannot move any client off the monitor it boots up with, to either of my other two monitors, without it completely locking my computer up and forcing me to hard reboot. Zero problems with any other games although I have not needed to move the clients from the main monitor over to others. |
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Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
2
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Posted - 2012.07.22 03:27:00 -
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Jenny Kitty wrote:Hi guys, I have good news to share with you. I have found a fix that works. I have successfully been able to play with multiple accounts for a long period of time at max settings after the fix. The problem seems to be related to the HDMI sound drivers that are installed with the AMD drivers. Uninstalling/disabling them has resolved my issue related to freezing while gaming with a single AMD HD 7970. Before I explain the procedure, here are my current PC specs: - i7 930 OC @4Ghz - 1x MSI HD 7970 connected to 3 monitors via DisplayPort and DVI. - 12G RAM - SSD OCZ Agility 3 - Drivers 12.7 beta installed. - Windows 7 64 bits Procedure: 1) Uninstall the HDMI drivers via the "AMD Catalyst Install Manager". Go to Start-> Control Panel -> Uninstall Program -> Right click on "AMD Catalyst Install Manager" and select Change then Uninstall Manager. In the component list, select only the HDMI drivers. Click Next and complete the uninstallation procedure. You will be asked to reboot, click Yes. 2) After rebooting your system, go to Start-> Right click on Computer and then Properties. Select Device Manager on the top left corner. Under the list, expand "Sound, video and game controllers" and check if you have "AMD High Definition Audio Device" (Make sure it is prefixed with "AMD"). If yes, right click and uninstall and reboot. If not, go to next step. 3) Last step is to disable the default Windows HMDI drivers. See screenshot Device Manager. Right click on High Definition Audio Device and then Disable. Reboot. You're done. Hopefully AMD or CCP fixes the issue in a later patch but for now I can live without it as I am not using my monitor speakers (FYI, DisplayPort/HDMI cables enable video AND sound hence why AMD drivers include sound drivers). Please let me know if that fixed it for you.
this does not work
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Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.23 17:49:00 -
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Indeed, my computer froze again today. It used to freeze within 15mins without that fix. Sorry guys. I have been trying every little change possible without success. I am now completely hopeless. I guess I'll have to change graphic card soon. |
ra773
True Argons Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:12:00 -
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Jenny Kitty wrote:Hi guys, I have good news to share with you. I have found a fix that works. I have successfully been able to play with multiple accounts for a long period of time at max settings after the fix. The problem seems to be related to the HDMI sound drivers that are installed with the AMD drivers. Uninstalling/disabling them has resolved my issue related to freezing while gaming with a single AMD HD 7970. Before I explain the procedure, here are my current PC specs: - i7 930 OC @4Ghz - 1x MSI HD 7970 connected to 3 monitors via DisplayPort and DVI. - 12G RAM - SSD OCZ Agility 3 - Drivers 12.7 beta installed. - Windows 7 64 bits Procedure: 1) Uninstall the HDMI drivers via the "AMD Catalyst Install Manager". Go to Start-> Control Panel -> Uninstall Program -> Right click on "AMD Catalyst Install Manager" and select Change then Uninstall Manager. In the component list, select only the HDMI drivers. Click Next and complete the uninstallation procedure. You will be asked to reboot, click Yes. 2) After rebooting your system, go to Start-> Right click on Computer and then Properties. Select Device Manager on the top left corner. Under the list, expand "Sound, video and game controllers" and check if you have "AMD High Definition Audio Device" (Make sure it is prefixed with "AMD"). If yes, right click and uninstall and reboot. If not, go to next step. 3) Last step is to disable the default Windows HMDI drivers. See screenshot Device Manager. Right click on High Definition Audio Device and then Disable. Reboot. You're done. Hopefully AMD or CCP fixes the issue in a later patch but for now I can live without it as I am not using my monitor speakers (FYI, DisplayPort/HDMI cables enable video AND sound hence why AMD drivers include sound drivers). Please let me know if that fixed it for you.
tried it and it doesnt work. at least for multiclient
single client with diabolo 3 open was running fine, but need to test further.
rolled back to my ati 5770 and multiclients run like a charm just without nice graphic. But here i didn't had a issue anyways.
so i guess highend graphic in eve is just something nice u can watch in movies, as high end cards don't work as they should.
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Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:56:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback.
I have read countless number of post about this. As far as I know, 2 other games are experiencing the same issue. Tera Online and Total War Shogun 2. On the later website forums, there are 82 pages of feedback. Do you realize the extent of the issue ? It is quite infuriating to buy such an expensive card and not being able to play one's favourite game.
Links: http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/35440-7xxx-Series-AMD-cards-freezes-and-lock-ups/ https://tera-answers.enmasse.com/posts/0c51f8c038?start=31&stop=45 |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:16:00 -
[55] - Quote
Bump. Still having the same problem.
So happy I pay for four accounts(albeit via plexs thankfully), but can't use more than one monitor without my computer crashing. |
Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:22:00 -
[56] - Quote
Yea still having the same problem here cant play the game already died cuz of it. CCP should give me my money back for the past month. |
Sellendis
The Ares project
149
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Posted - 2012.07.24 09:17:00 -
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Using ATI 5770 i had no issues, upgraded to 6850 (just couse 560ti wasnt available) and never had a problem.
Using 2 DVIs + 1 HDMI, 3 clients and no problems. Tested on all combinations of ports and number of clients, and when i run out of accs, i boot Sisi ones :) Still no crash.... Map or no map, cant get the goddamn thing to go down. As some people have simillar issue with series 5xxx and 6xxx.
Using 11.10 drivers, firm believer of not trying to fix what isnt broken. Heard a lot of crappy issues with newer drivers, so how far back with drivers did ya guys go to test?
P.S. - just if anyone wonders, i am an old fart and i have decades of experience with software and drivers and performance upgrade with new versions that give 3.2% FPS boost isnt nearly good to make me sacrifice working stability.
I had horrible experience with both cards, from crappy quality, insanely loud fans that do nothing, to drivers that should have never left the dev PC and should get him/her/them to the electric chair before even thinking about unemployment.
So lets leave fanboys ATI vs nVidia fights out of this, this issue is purely a ATI driver + EVE Online mix that ends up with angry customers. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
358
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Posted - 2012.07.24 10:14:00 -
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you can still wait someone to fix it, which may take half an eternity. Or you fix it by yourself and get rid of ATI. |
Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.24 11:29:00 -
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Sellendis wrote:Using ATI 5770 i had no issues, upgraded to 6850 (just couse 560ti wasnt available) and never had a problem.
Using 2 DVIs + 1 HDMI, 3 clients and no problems. Tested on all combinations of ports and number of clients, and when i run out of accs, i boot Sisi ones :) Still no crash.... Map or no map, cant get the goddamn thing to go down. As some people have simillar issue with series 5xxx and 6xxx.
Using 11.10 drivers, firm believer of not trying to fix what isnt broken. Heard a lot of crappy issues with newer drivers, so how far back with drivers did ya guys go to test?
P.S. - just if anyone wonders, i am an old fart and i have decades of experience with software and drivers and performance upgrade with new versions that give 3.2% FPS boost isnt nearly good to make me sacrifice working stability.
I had horrible experience with both cards, from crappy quality, insanely loud fans that do nothing, to drivers that should have never left the dev PC and should get him/her/them to the electric chair before even thinking about unemployment.
So lets leave fanboys ATI vs nVidia fights out of this, this issue is purely a ATI driver + EVE Online mix that ends up with angry customers.
I went as far back as 11.12 which is the default driver sold with the graphic card. No luck I am afraid. |
Sellendis
The Ares project
149
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Posted - 2012.07.24 12:43:00 -
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Jenny Kitty wrote:
I went as far back as 11.12 which is the default driver sold with the graphic card. No luck I am afraid.
Damn, so series 7xxx starts from 11.12 drivers. But people with other series had issues also, so its not new hardware that is faulty.
Maybe a combination of hardware? I mean, i am playing on an old E6500, 4gb ram, 6850 and w7x64, 2 years old win install (that i keep reasonably clean), win updates disabled when i noticed how M$ decided to ***** my hdd space for backups of every crap, so its not updated for 1.5y, no AV or FW installed. Running AV check from other bootable media now and then + malwarebytes weekly. If this old POS manages to hang on....then honestly.
Probably drivers wrecking havoc. Ati does wonders in that department....damn idiots. Guess later series just dont wanna play along with Eve tech, but work without trouble with other games and pass burn-in and stability benches nicely. Frustrating as hell.
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