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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.06.13 09:25:00 -
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lucky i bought some last week and now can hop on this high price bandwagon lol
im rich im rich \o/
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Kasshim
Omega Strike Force
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Posted - 2009.06.13 09:30:00 -
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The rising prices just looks to me like ccp is trying to compete with the isk sellers by getting people to buy from them instead. Getting more value for your money with GTC's instead of buying from those damn isk sellers.
It's a conspiracy I tell ye!
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.06.13 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kasshim The rising prices just looks to me like ccp is trying to compete with the isk sellers by getting people to buy from them instead. Getting more value for your money with GTC's instead of buying from those damn isk sellers.
It's a conspiracy I tell ye!
Unless CCP is actively buying and selling ingame PLEX or GTC's on the forum this is rubbish...
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Newsflash
Gallente NorthUnited
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Posted - 2009.06.13 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Originally by: ShardowRhino
really no reason to read your entire post there. yeah who hasnt heard about the plex for fanfest bit. I seriously doubt the prices are going to drop as the result of everyone getting fanfest tickets.
Maybe you should have looked at the record of GTCs and plexcards over the past year and a half. The idea that once everyone has their tickets that the prices are going to drop is bordering outlandish. prices have been climbing steadily before and will continue to climb. I doubt that there will be a noticable dip once everyone has tickets. Either way the prices of a gtc is still going to climb,fanfest or no fanfest.
Think for half a second. 90days of game time used to go for 400mil,even less. Yet before the fanfair announcement regarding plexcards people were paying 300+mil for 30days. all fanfest has done is accelerate things. Its unlikely that gtcs would have simply leveled off at 300mil and stayed there permanently.
as for the comment on my alts stuff, is that your mandatory attempt to look hip?
No, I really was hoping you'd /cryquit and give me his/her stuff. It's happened before.
And about the other stuff, all I hear is "*whine whine whine* the times are changing and I can't cope". Go see the eve psychiatrist.
If you're so against isk farmers this change should make you happy as paying for another month of time is ever-so-slightly cutting into their profits. More importantly though it's directly competing with isk prices of illegal isk sellers. We can only hope one day it's not profitable, but for that to happen, slave labourers would have to be freed in china and pigs will fly out of our missle launchers.
Plex prices have been this high before and gone down. Also, I don't think buying plexes to go to fanfest will make prices go down, they'll make them go up! It's the fall out of speculation that will make them go down (if that ever happens). The idea is that at some point you cut out enough of the buyers' market by pushing prices up you're left too much to sell and no one rich enough to buy. That's bils of isk you've got wrapped up in PLEX btw. So you sell trying to liquidate and move that money somewhere else and drop your price a bit. Then everyone else starts selling because the price starts to drop.
Overall, yes the trend will be an upward trend. Why? Inflation. Back six years ago when I started this game 100mil isk was what a bil isk is to us now. Inflation. Eventually, half a bil will be just another mission grind. C'est la vie.
This is the way of the market, take an economics class.
why should anyone give his stuff to *******?
gtc and plexes are hugely overpriced atm. im thinking its time for me to stop playing as with all the **** going on in world im now unemployed and still dont really have time to grind iskies to pay subscription and actually have fun in game. no. i dont give my stuff to anyone. 0/
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2009.06.13 14:25:00 -
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It is quite strange to see so many people in this thread feeling that they're ENTITLED to play EVE without paying real money for it. Talk about having a warped sense of reality...
Basically, you can either: A. Play EVE B. Not play EVE
If you choose A, you can either: A. Pay by RL money B. Pay by working for another player
If you choose A, your price will wary when/if CCP changes their price structure, or as currency fluctuations change what you pay in your local currency, but will otherwise be stable. If you choose B, then we have a very simple supply/demand situation: A. If less people want PLEX than there are people wanting to sell them, prices drop. B. If more people want PLEX than there are people wanting to sell them, prices rise.
It's not really rocket science.... (FYI, we're in situation B right now)
Especially in the current recession.... It is not surprising that less people want to sell PLEX and more people want to buy them. By that fact, it is also not surprising that prices are going up. They'll continue to go up or down as supply/demand dictates.
So no... Prices are actually NOT out of control. They're in fact under very strict control by the players who choose to sell and buy PLEX.
To the people whining over high prices.... Remember that CCP is handling this in the most neutral way possible. They're simply saying: "As long as we get paid, we don't care where the money comes from as long as ISK-for-money trade goes on" They're even providing a facility for you to easily buy game-time from other players (via PLEX).
Essentially, your whine goes: "Wha! Wha! CCP won't give us gametime for free! Not fair!" (add a few more 'Wha!'s.... depending on the amount of caps used in the whine....)
To the ones blaming speculation, this is most likely not the case. Unless there are a very few people in a market speculation, or if they're all working together to fix prices, speculation will only have the effect of smoothing price fluctuations. Speculators buy when prices are low, thus increasing demand and driving prices up. They sell when prices are high, thus increasing supply and driving prices down. The current price increases are most likely caused solely because less people want to sell, and more want to buy PLEX. Nothing to do about it.....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2009.06.13 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 13/06/2009 14:30:02
Originally by: Newsflash gtc and plexes are hugely overpriced atm.
To you they might seem overpriced, but to the general EVE population, they're not. If they WERE overpriced, people would not buy them and prices would drop. Your opinion is thus only a minority opinion....
Originally by: Newsflash im thinking its time for me to stop playing as with all the **** going on in world im now unemployed and still dont really have time to grind iskies to pay subscription and actually have fun in game. no. i dont give my stuff to anyone. 0/
If you stop buying PLEX, you'll be helping your fellow whiners by doing your bit to make PLEX prices drop. I'm sure they'll appreciate it
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.06.13 14:57:00 -
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It seems pretty straight-forward. The 'PLEX for fanfare tix' announcement was made on/about 20 May, 2009.
Now look at the graph of PLEX prices. I see the current upward trend beginning on/about <gasp!> 20 May, 2009.
I'm not sure how this is not obvious.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.13 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
It seems pretty straight-forward. The 'PLEX for fanfare tix' announcement was made on/about 20 May, 2009.
Now look at the graph of PLEX prices. I see the current upward trend beginning on/about <gasp!> 20 May, 2009.
I'm not sure how this is not obvious.
KB
So wait you're saying that an increase in demand has caused an increase in prices?
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.06.13 15:30:00 -
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Quote this if you can remember getting 90 days for 300m. :( -----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.13 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff Quote this if you can remember getting 90 days for 300m. :(
I remember only getting one Hulk for 600M too - what's your point?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.13 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff Quote this if you can remember getting 90 days for 300m. :(
Quoting this ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2009.06.13 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff Quote this if you can remember getting 90 days for 300m. :(
I remember those. Bought quite a few around the 340 mark. Now they're what? 1.2 bil for equivalent?
It's all about ease of isk generation and what's comfortable for each player. I think us casual players got left behind loooooong ago when it comes to gtc. At least those of us who don't know Jedi Market-Fu.
I've long ago stopped caring. About the only thing interesting left in this topic is all the speculation about what drives the price up. They make it sound like it's going to come down at some point. Ha! Wishful thinking imo.
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Lady Aja
Caldari Eradication Project
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Posted - 2009.06.13 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kasshim The rising prices just looks to me like ccp is trying to compete with the isk sellers by getting people to buy from them instead. Getting more value for your money with GTC's instead of buying from those damn isk sellers.
It's a conspiracy I tell ye!
still to a noob 2b isk for 43 bucks off a isk seller is highly tempting if they dont know any better!!
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Lady Aja
Caldari Eradication Project
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Posted - 2009.06.13 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff Quote this if you can remember getting 90 days for 300m. :(
try 270m isk for 90 days and 90m for 30 days... |
Kephael
Caldari Cursed Souls Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.06.13 16:52:00 -
[75]
Look at who is buying the gtcs in the timecode section, there's tons of RMTers. CCP need to prevent people from sending gtcs to these players. |
Iridescent Moon
Caldari Iridescent Dawn
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Posted - 2009.06.13 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
To the ones blaming speculation, this is most likely not the case. Unless there are a very few people in a market speculation, or if they're all working together to fix prices, speculation will only have the effect of smoothing price fluctuations. Speculators buy when prices are low, thus increasing demand and driving prices up. They sell when prices are high, thus increasing supply and driving prices down. The current price increases are most likely caused solely because less people want to sell, and more want to buy PLEX. Nothing to do about it.....
I bolded the importnat part. You say "most likely". I am willing to say is.
If you look at the market graph in Jita for PLEX you see a manipulation starting about a month ago. Then prices fall. When CCP announced the PLEX for FanFest deal the price shot up. As stated in my previous post the numbers of PLEX that will be consumed by PLEX for FanFest is fairly small when looking at the broader PLEX market. What really happened is that speculators heard about FanFest and thought it would be a good time to get in on PLEX and resell later with the assumed impending boost from the expected PLEX usage increase.
Let me stated this clearly. The Price increase since May 20th has been do to SPECULATION not do to consumption. THis is clearly demonstrated in this thread. You see 2 types of posts...
Speculation: "I have invested in PLEX, you should too."
Less Demand: "PLEX are to expensive, I have/will stop using PLEX for my account(s)"
I can't wait for the crash, it will be fun to watch.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2009.06.13 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kewso on 13/06/2009 18:57:12 they are overpriced due to gaming of them. I know few that will post offers on forum at higher prices, but use alts to post buys for them repeatedly all day long which gives the appearance of people actually paying the higher prices but in truth it's only alts. Therefore tricking the rube to pay the higher price thinking it's the norm.
Simple trick that most forum sellers use. Problem is people see the alts making offers to buy at those prices and they think well that is just supply and demand. No it's not you just got scammed is all. So people think the average prices have just went up when they haven't they have only been gamed with alts to artificially inflate the price. Since I can post WTS 700m gtc and then post with few of my alts offers to buy them all, but then 1 rube comes in and buys one thinking that is the normal price and gets ripped off.
happens all the time.
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.13 19:54:00 -
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So what your saying is I need to sell my some GTC @ a billion wait for the next patch...wait for t3 prices to go down then I can afford me one of them fancy cruisers.... Then I will have a shiny new toy. Which is to costly to lose in pvp....but I will have a shiny new toy.... which is better btw loki or tengu? |
Critias
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.06.13 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Critias on 13/06/2009 20:16:43 Personally I blame the following people:
1) CCP, for forcing a price spike after they let ppl pay for fanfest tickets by plex 2) Market speculators, who have been proven beyond reasonable doubt to produce artificial price increases time and again, buying up stock and placing fake (high volume) buy orders. 3) GTS power sellers - select few people in big alliances, who are interested in higher plex prices, and thus produce obviously fake buy orders in GTC forum channel to drive up the buying frenzy - orders that are either 'filled' by their alts, or refuse to pay if a legitimate seller contacts them. 4) GTS power buyers - very rich ppl who simply dont give a damn about how much they pay and buy multiple plex at whatever prices are available. 5) Isk farmers - for the reasons that have already been stated by other ppl in this thread. 6) Normal players, who chose to pay by GTC and have no choice but to support higher prices by continuing to buy. 7) Overall decreased volume of sold plex cards over the last month ( taken from market data), that naturally leads to higher prices on the remaining plexes in the presence of similar or slightly increased deman due to fanfest. 8) Students who finished their exams going on a summer vacation which leads to certain subtle changes in the people's playing style. 9) Inflation, although it couldn't produce such a high spike by itself, is a part of it.
I can go on here, but It's really the combination of the above that leads to abnormally high prices. |
Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2009.06.13 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: aDore Him 3.: YouÆre a student that has a hard time learning and should be gratefull not being able to waste time.
I find this mildly offensive because it insinuates all Students have a "Hard time learning" and thats because they / we waste time playing a game. You're basically labeling all students as care-free good for nothing drifters / scroungers who want to do everything at no cost to them.
Hey, we've all been there so we know it's the truth ;-p
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Black Leather
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Posted - 2009.06.14 06:51:00 -
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RTM?
Real Trader Monies?
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Kasshim
Omega Strike Force
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Posted - 2009.06.14 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Black Leather RTM?
Real Trader Monies?
I was wondering what RTM meant on the other post. Hehe! That makes sense now.
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Flossing
Flush Gordon and The Toilet Ducks of Death
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Posted - 2009.06.14 08:32:00 -
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Why do people seem to take it as a personal insult and totally lose control, if somebody suggests that plex prices might be a bit too high?
Always makes me laugh. |
KardelSharpeye
Gallente Dark Nebula Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 08:48:00 -
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I would say prices are rising because CCP made it available to buy fanfest tickets with plexes(check account management)
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.14 09:08:00 -
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plex will be rising in price until isk selllers quit
60D GTC - shattared link |
Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2009.06.14 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Cergorach on 14/06/2009 09:45:30
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl plex will be rising in price until isk selllers quit
*b!tch slaps Kalintos Tyl upside the head*
Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true, you do know that...
If you look at the history graph you'll see that six months ago the price also spiked, and it also came down. It's not as if the 'isk sellers' quit and just only returned to EVE. |
ShadowMaiden
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.06.14 10:42:00 -
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ITT - we try to sound intellectual about pretend money |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.14 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowMaiden ITT - we try to sound intellectual about pretend money
All money is pretend, yet they build whole economies around it. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.14 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff Quote this if you can remember getting 90 days for 300m. :(
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.14 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kasshim The rising prices just looks to me like ccp is trying to compete with the isk sellers by getting people to buy from them instead. Getting more value for your money with GTC's instead of buying from those damn isk sellers.
It's a conspiracy I tell ye!
woah you just catch on?
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