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FlameGlow
Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:12:00 -
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So what's the contradiction? They honestly say they're going to lie, cheat, steal and be bastards; that is the 'fair play' from the second quote as opposed to pretending to be knights in shining armor and still lying, cheating and being bastards. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Etien Aldragoran
Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:12:00 -
[32]
this thread
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HoiYou
Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:17:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Genuinely Windypops I actually don't think that's the case - we all know from the forum leaks how much MM hate GS.
I hate MM, personally. |
CARY
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:20:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Blaster Worm http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7905924.stm?ad=1 "Such swindles left some players in awe of EVE's potential for realism, whilst others called for a stronger code of ethics in the game. But spymaster Mittani scoffed at calls for in-game morals, noting that without dirty tricks, GoonSwarm would have had no chance of toppling a more established corporation like BoB. He said: "[i][u]We don't have any advantages, so we can't obey your stupid 'space bushido'. We're going to spy, we're going to use defectors, we're going to lie, cheat, steal and be bastardsö
I like this part, GOONS play completely within the frame of the game. If other want to play EVE by picking flowers and looking at rainbows then enjoy your short stay. GOONS know its a kill or be killed world of EVE, just like many nations of the world. |
NAFnist
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:20:00 -
[35]
after bob lost the throne, goons stepped in and became the top evil in eve, nothing personal, its just the way it is |
Genuinely Windypops
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog RZR are a decent alliance, try finding your own identity again
The thing is, BD, I'm not sure anyone outside of the NC actually things of them as separate alliances.
It reminds me of the survey I did a year or so ago where most people thought of the NC as a single entity. I actually think it's one of the biggest problems members of the NC face when they try to get away from Goonswarm - try as they may, people just don't take them seriously in their own right.
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CARY
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: NAFnist after bob lost the throne, goons stepped in and became the top evil in eve, nothing personal, its just the way it is
[:shockSO BOB WAS EVIL!! nnnnaaaaaahhhhhh! |
kayentelva
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: kayentelva on 12/06/2009 15:46:13 to be fair no one in goons said they were beacons of fair play
nothing has come to light that i know of where they used exploits to gain an advantage
****ty game mechanics yes, exploit no
so they are dirty bustards, but who cares? its part of what makes eve what it is
they play how they want and I can dislike or like them for it
eve needs a villain right ?
edit: crappy spelling
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Grimpak
Gallente Clubs and Diamonds
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: kayentelva eve needs a villain right ?
were there even heroes in EVE to begin with? ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Cadela Fria
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:58:00 -
[40]
Originally by: CARY
Originally by: Blaster Worm http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7905924.stm?ad=1 "Such swindles left some players in awe of EVE's potential for realism, whilst others called for a stronger code of ethics in the game. But spymaster Mittani scoffed at calls for in-game morals, noting that without dirty tricks, GoonSwarm would have had no chance of toppling a more established corporation like BoB. He said: "[i][u]We don't have any advantages, so we can't obey your stupid 'space bushido'. We're going to spy, we're going to use defectors, we're going to lie, cheat, steal and be bastards”
I like this part, GOONS play completely within the frame of the game. If other want to play EVE by picking flowers and looking at rainbows then enjoy your short stay. GOONS know its a kill or be killed world of EVE, just like many nations of the world.
You play *completely* within the frame of the game do you? I suppose that explains why your posts gets locked, moderated or delete entirely all the time by the forum mods. Not to mention your spamming ingame. I'm sure that has never gotten any of you muted or temp-banned before..
But thats okay right? Because bob did the same thing once...So its okay that you do it. |
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Itzena
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:58:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Blaster Worm I want to say a couple of words.
The Querious situation exhausted us, and we have given the alliance a small break. There is a well known phenomenon called postwar syndrome, where, after the stresses of a war, real life seems unreal and strange. Something like that is going on in EVE right now. During the "peaceful" days, before the attack on H74, we also took a break and had some good pew, but the thought of going back to the trenches was always in the back of my mind. A lot of the pleasure of the pew (we took a frigate gang into Providence and scored 100+ kills) was erased because of that.
This time around, when once again we got some mass pew without lag, s****and hatred, with goodfights and well executed tactics, something hit me. A half year ago, EVE was like that for us all the time. We pewed with our neighbors for sport. Yeah, we killed nearby alliances, but this is a game - people who can do that do it and the losers start over. Today, we have tons of hatred and rage, victory at any cost and by any means necessary.
Reading hostile forums as part of CEO-dom, I can't get used to the other side's (lolgoons) concentrated hatred of their enemies. "Burn", "trample", "censored" and "censored" [yes he actually types this out] - from post to post, from topic to topic. I won't repost this stuff - those who read it know, the rest are better off without it. I see that people don't realize the difference between a callout and aggression, between sporting competition and hatred, between prevailing over the enemy and his total annihilation.
How did we always see politics in LGK? The most important thing was to have the biggest amount of targets. For talented soloers, for roaming gangs, for gangs of 100+, and for random inter-corp pew, nobody needs a cobalt POS [think he means faction POS?] or to have good constellations. Yes, as guardians of the forest, we periodically pruned the dying and useless alliances. New ones arose in their place, their leaders learned, and now ex-KOS are burning their full share of napalm as part of PL.
When I look at the black and white universe of the "other" side, who almost never flies fun roaming ops, doesn't have friends (just uses their allies), doesn't play for sport but hates and wants blood (and doesn't hesitate to cross over into IRL in any situation as soon as it becomes possible), I get an unpleasant feeling. I don't see the "other" side having any fun-pvp alliances who fight for pleasure. It's possible that I'm not reading all their forums and don't know their internal life well, but what I see is a muddy stream of teenage aggression and the desire to pay back for childish hurts.
I think that we can keep this in check and we have a lot of good days on the hospitable front lawns of Providence ahead of us. There's a long time until we get there, and things could always get worse, but as they say, to live is to hope.
There, a much better Blaster Worm quote. |
Cadela Fria
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:05:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 12/06/2009 16:05:30
Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: Blaster Worm I want to say a couple of words.
The Querious situation exhausted us, and we have given the alliance a small break. There is a well known phenomenon called postwar syndrome, where, after the stresses of a war, real life seems unreal and strange. Something like that is going on in EVE right now. During the "peaceful" days, before the attack on H74, we also took a break and had some good pew, but the thought of going back to the trenches was always in the back of my mind. A lot of the pleasure of the pew (we took a frigate gang into Providence and scored 100+ kills) was erased because of that.
This time around, when once again we got some mass pew without lag, s****and hatred, with goodfights and well executed tactics, something hit me. A half year ago, EVE was like that for us all the time. We pewed with our neighbors for sport. Yeah, we killed nearby alliances, but this is a game - people who can do that do it and the losers start over. Today, we have tons of hatred and rage, victory at any cost and by any means necessary.
Reading hostile forums as part of CEO-dom, I can't get used to the other side's (lolgoons) concentrated hatred of their enemies. "Burn", "trample", "censored" and "censored" [yes he actually types this out] - from post to post, from topic to topic. I won't repost this stuff - those who read it know, the rest are better off without it. I see that people don't realize the difference between a callout and aggression, between sporting competition and hatred, between prevailing over the enemy and his total annihilation.
How did we always see politics in LGK? The most important thing was to have the biggest amount of targets. For talented soloers, for roaming gangs, for gangs of 100+, and for random inter-corp pew, nobody needs a cobalt POS [think he means faction POS?] or to have good constellations. Yes, as guardians of the forest, we periodically pruned the dying and useless alliances. New ones arose in their place, their leaders learned, and now ex-KOS are burning their full share of napalm as part of PL.
When I look at the black and white universe of the "other" side, who almost never flies fun roaming ops, doesn't have friends (just uses their allies), doesn't play for sport but hates and wants blood (and doesn't hesitate to cross over into IRL in any situation as soon as it becomes possible), I get an unpleasant feeling. I don't see the "other" side having any fun-pvp alliances who fight for pleasure. It's possible that I'm not reading all their forums and don't know their internal life well, but what I see is a muddy stream of teenage aggression and the desire to pay back for childish hurts.
I think that we can keep this in check and we have a lot of good days on the hospitable front lawns of Providence ahead of us. There's a long time until we get there, and things could always get worse, but as they say, to live is to hope.
There, a much better Blaster Worm quote.
Why is this a better quote? |
Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:08:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: CARY
Originally by: Blaster Worm http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7905924.stm?ad=1 "Such swindles left some players in awe of EVE's potential for realism, whilst others called for a stronger code of ethics in the game. But spymaster Mittani scoffed at calls for in-game morals, noting that without dirty tricks, GoonSwarm would have had no chance of toppling a more established corporation like BoB. He said: "[i][u]We don't have any advantages, so we can't obey your stupid 'space bushido'. We're going to spy, we're going to use defectors, we're going to lie, cheat, steal and be bastardsö
I like this part, GOONS play completely within the frame of the game. If other want to play EVE by picking flowers and looking at rainbows then enjoy your short stay. GOONS know its a kill or be killed world of EVE, just like many nations of the world.
You play *completely* within the frame of the game do you? I suppose that explains why your posts gets locked, moderated or delete entirely all the time by the forum mods. Not to mention your spamming ingame. I'm sure that has never gotten any of you muted or temp-banned before..
But thats okay right? Because bob did the same thing once...So its okay that you do it.
Just like how you're doing it right now.
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:09:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Euriti What exactly did you hope to achieve with this thread?
-A-'s last-ditch strategy for defending KenZoku is to trigger an existential paradox that will cause goons to vanish in a puff of smoke. |
Myz Toyou
Minmatar Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:11:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Fossil Wolf
to be fair they did make a public apology and the member was kicked for number one
Thanks for this. Awsum how NC people were embarrest over Goons actions, times have changed it seems |
Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:12:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Venomire on 12/06/2009 16:12:34
Originally by: Cadela Fria You play *completely* within the frame of the game do you? I suppose that explains why your posts gets locked, moderated or delete entirely all the time by the forum mods.
What's that have to do with anything? The mods are unfunny ***gots that take an internet forum way too serious. I don't see how that means we use insider information, exploits or gifts handed to us by CCP. We use the same tools, abilities and information available to everyone else in this game and have no artificial advantage. That's what playing within the frame of the game means.
Quote: Not to mention your spamming ingame. I'm sure that has never gotten any of you muted or temp-banned before..
See the bit about moderation above.
Quote: But thats okay right? Because bob did the same thing once...So its okay that you do it.
BoB were never good posters.
e: oops, formatting. |
Cupdeez
Caldari Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:12:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Blaster Worm http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7905924.stm?ad=1 "Such swindles left some players in awe of EVE's potential for realism, whilst others called for a stronger code of ethics in the game. But spymaster Mittani scoffed at calls for in-game morals, noting that without dirty tricks, GoonSwarm would have had no chance of toppling a more established corporation like BoB. He said: "We don't have any advantages, so we can't obey your stupid 'space bushido'. We're going to spy, we're going to use defectors, we're going to lie, cheat, steal and be bastards."
vs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/arts/television/28eve.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print ôI donÆt think there is any question that my idea of democracy is very different from a European personÆs idea of democracy,ö said Sean Conover, a 30-year-old computer forensics analyst from Cranford, N.J., who as the character Darius Johnson is the leader of a powerful military alliance of more than 5,000 players called Goonswarm. ôI think Europeans are more used to the idea that their political elites operate by different rules than everyone else, and that government officers need to be able to huddle somewhere in a private room so they can say things to each other that are different from what they say in public. What weÆve had to explain is that Americans have a very strong sense of fair play. We donÆt abide things like that, and we want everything to be open. So, yes, there has been some conflict on that level.ö
This is a r3tarded post if you ask me. If I recall didn't BOB start off using dirty tricks before anyone else? Didn't BOB get their 1st 2 titan killz using dirty tricks? Didn't BOB take space from other alliance using dirty tactics? Didn't BOB use exploits to get T2 BPO's?
Then on top of this BOB: They had Spies They lied they cheated
Now I also remember -aaa- using some of these also. Now I'm not saying some are bad or you shouldn't use some of these tactics but making a POST about it come on. LAME
Evil Thug needs to bltch slap you.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:13:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: CARY
Originally by: Blaster Worm http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7905924.stm?ad=1 "Such swindles left some players in awe of EVE's potential for realism, whilst others called for a stronger code of ethics in the game. But spymaster Mittani scoffed at calls for in-game morals, noting that without dirty tricks, GoonSwarm would have had no chance of toppling a more established corporation like BoB. He said: "[i][u]We don't have any advantages, so we can't obey your stupid 'space bushido'. We're going to spy, we're going to use defectors, we're going to lie, cheat, steal and be bastards”
I like this part, GOONS play completely within the frame of the game. If other want to play EVE by picking flowers and looking at rainbows then enjoy your short stay. GOONS know its a kill or be killed world of EVE, just like many nations of the world.
You play *completely* within the frame of the game do you? I suppose that explains why your posts gets locked, moderated or delete entirely all the time by the forum mods. Not to mention your spamming ingame. I'm sure that has never gotten any of you muted or temp-banned before..
But thats okay right? Because bob did the same thing once...So its okay that you do it.
Just like how you're doing it right now.
That doesn't even make any sense..Nothing I'm saying will get moderated, or get me a forum warning. Dont try to cover up the truth with some lame attempt at spin.
If you're going to be self-rightous about how goons play, at least stick to the rules. |
Cadela Fria
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:15:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Venomire Edited by: Venomire on 12/06/2009 16:12:34
Originally by: Cadela Fria You play *completely* within the frame of the game do you? I suppose that explains why your posts gets locked, moderated or delete entirely all the time by the forum mods.
What's that have to do with anything? The mods are unfunny ***gots that take an internet forum way too serious. I don't see how that means we use insider information, exploits or gifts handed to us by CCP. We use the same tools, abilities and information available to everyone else in this game and have no artificial advantage. That's what playing within the frame of the game means.
Quote: Not to mention your spamming ingame. I'm sure that has never gotten any of you muted or temp-banned before..
See the bit about moderation above.
Quote: But thats okay right? Because bob did the same thing once...So its okay that you do it.
BoB were never good posters.
e: oops, formatting.
Rules are rules..Just because you think something is funny, doesn't mean you can break the rules. Which makes you play outside the frame of the game. Thats what it has to do with it.
You can harb on the opposite as long as you want, but 9/10 the posts that get moderated, locked or deleted in CAOD, are made by goons. Why do you think that is? |
Itzena
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:18:00 -
[50]
Volume, mostly. |
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:19:00 -
[51]
Short answer is goons are as dirty as Band of Brothers ever was. Probably far worse. But Goons are also much better at threadnaughting and bullying the devs as well. Still Eve goes on and doubtless we'll be reading about Goon scandals in a couple of years and wondering why anyone was stupid enough to defend them.
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Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:19:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
That doesn't even make any sense..Nothing I'm saying will get moderated, or get me a forum warning. Dont try to cover up the truth with some lame attempt at spin.
If you're going to be self-rightous about how goons play, at least stick to the rules.
One person's spam is another person's post. For instance I interpret most of your post as spam. It's all a matter of perspective. That is what interpersonal communication skills are all about.
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Itzena
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:21:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Short answer is goons are as dirty as Band of Brothers ever was. Probably far worse. But Goons are also much better at threadnaughting and bullying the devs as well. Still Eve goes on and doubtless we'll be reading about Goon scandals in a couple of years and wondering why anyone was stupid enough to defend them.
This is far too concise to be a genuine Jade Constantine post. Who are you, and when did you steal his account? |
Cadela Fria
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:22:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Itzena Volume, mostly.
So you make a lot of posts, and a lot of those posts are breaking the rules. You are still playing outside the frame of the game. Rules are rules. Regardless of how funny you think it is to break them and then go nuts at CCP whenever someone tries to do something similar. |
Will Hunter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:22:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Short answer is goons are as dirty as Band of Brothers ever was. Probably far worse. But Goons are also much better at threadnaughting and bullying the devs as well. Still Eve goes on and doubtless we'll be reading about Goon scandals in a couple of years and wondering why anyone was stupid enough to defend them.
ok we have blaster worm, windipops and jade so far
this thread will be awesome |
Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:22:00 -
[56]
Are you somehow suggesting that things said or done on the forum has any sort of relevance on what happens in the game? |
Alekanderu
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:22:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Fossil Wolf
to be fair they did make a public apology and the member was kicked for number one
Thanks for this. Awsum how NC people were embarrest over Goons actions, times have changed it seems
that was almost three years ago, so yeah times have changed genius |
Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:23:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Itzena Volume, mostly.
So you make a lot of posts, and a lot of those posts are breaking the rules. You are still playing outside the frame of the game. Rules are rules. Regardless of how funny you think it is to break them and then go nuts at CCP whenever someone tries to do something similar.
Which rules have been broken. Perhaps you should report these infractions post haste good sir.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:24:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri
Originally by: Cadela Fria
That doesn't even make any sense..Nothing I'm saying will get moderated, or get me a forum warning. Dont try to cover up the truth with some lame attempt at spin.
If you're going to be self-rightous about how goons play, at least stick to the rules.
One person's spam is another person's post. For instance I interpret most of your post as spam. It's all a matter of perspective. That is what interpersonal communication skills are all about.
You can analyse my post from here till the end of time. Fact remains that goon posts are the ones being moderated, deleted or locked for trolling, personal attacks and flaming. Thats what rules are all about. |
Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:25:00 -
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After parsing Blaster Worm's post I decided a Venn Diagram could help everyone understand the various relationships and principles underlying his argument.
Hope this helps:
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
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