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Mikhail Nehalem
Gallente Bureau of Somnium Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.16 01:01:00 -
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Hello!
First Time Poster.
I had a general question about mining. I've worked my way up to flying a Covetor, training for a Hulk. At the moment I'm Jetcan Mining, loading it up to about 11,000 m3, and then bringing my Iteron IV to haul it back to the station. I feel like I'm not making as much ISK as I could though.
Is a second account really necessary to keep the mining/hauling process constant to up the ISK that I make?
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Tyranus vonCarstein
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Posted - 2009.06.16 01:10:00 -
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It's definately not required but boy it sure is handy. Your hauler alt can train skills that will increase your mining yield (mining foreman) even while just flying a hauling ship. It's really up to you, but most people would say go for it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.16 01:10:00 -
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If you feel you're not making as much ISK as you could, you probably shouldn't have picked mining in the first place... but I digress... if you're unwilling to make actual friends that would help you in mining ops, then yes, conjuring up another version of yourself in the form of a second account will do the job too.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Mikhail Nehalem
Gallente Bureau of Somnium Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.16 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T If you feel you're not making as much ISK as you could, you probably shouldn't have picked mining in the first place... but I digress... if you're unwilling to make actual friends that would help you in mining ops, then yes, conjuring up another version of yourself in the form of a second account will do the job too.
Well I'm still learning...its not like just because it didn't work out immediately like I hoped I'm gonna just quit.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.16 01:25:00 -
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A hauler only starts becoming profitable long-term as the third, maybe even a fourth account. Before that, simply cargo-expanding your mining barge and doing round-trips to the station is a better option overall. Of course, while you train your second account for mining barges too, it would be a waste not to have it haul for your main.
Now... might I ask, where exactly do you mine, and how long do you mine, on a monthly basis ? Also, how do you plan to pay for your second (or subsequent) account(s), with real-life cash, or ISK to purchase PLEXes ? Do you really want to mine, or would any other ISK-making activity appeal to you ? All of these things are relevant.
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Mikhail Nehalem
Gallente Bureau of Somnium Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.16 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T A hauler only starts becoming profitable long-term as the third, maybe even a fourth account. Before that, simply cargo-expanding your mining barge and doing round-trips to the station is a better option overall. Of course, while you train your second account for mining barges too, it would be a waste not to have it haul for your main.
Now... might I ask, where exactly do you mine, and how long do you mine, on a monthly basis ? Also, how do you plan to pay for your second (or subsequent) account(s), with real-life cash, or ISK to purchase PLEXes ? Do you really want to mine, or would any other ISK-making activity appeal to you ? All of these things are relevant.
I've thought about paying for the 2nd account with real life cash, unless I could somehow start making ridiculous amounts to pay for PLEXes. I've only been in the barge for a couple days now.
As for whether I want to do this, I do. I find a strange satisfaction parking myself in a belt and just mining away until the rocks disappear :) |
RaidenMagmus
Darklore United
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Posted - 2009.06.16 02:21:00 -
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Most people I know who mine seriously (aka not just a little bit when new to the game) end up going with 3+ mining accounts. I think the general feeling is that mining with just 1 account is too slow paced (at least until they add some sort of interactive aspect to mining). |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.16 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mikhail Nehalem I've thought about paying for the 2nd account with real life cash, unless I could somehow start making ridiculous amounts to pay for PLEXes. I've only been in the barge for a couple days now.
Characters sell for peanuts usually (compared to how much it would cost in PLEX equivalents to train them anyway), especially industry-specced characters, so you can't hope to recoup much of your investment into, so you'd have to recoup most of the costs from mining itself anyway... but if you planned to keep the character long-term, that would be a moot point.
You can make (very roughly) around 10 mil ISK per hour per account mining in highsec, after you get to the point where you have a respectable mining operation going (which probably won't be for a good while). What this means is that if you DON'T mine for at least 40 hours per month on average... you'd simply be much better off buying PLEX for real-life cash and selling them in-game for ISK rather than wasting not just the money, but also 40 hours of your time each month... just so you could get the same amount of ISK.
Seriously, in your situation, I would simply advise you to sell PLEXes.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.16 07:25:00 -
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To the OP: I have multiple hulks and multiple haulers.
After months of operativity I can safely conclude that I can easily earn multiple times of that by sitting in a station and trading. Trading with a 3 days worth of training new character (compared with months for fully trained hulk pilots) in noob ship, in a low budget situation, nets me about 170M a day (composed of log in, flip orders, log off: 5 minutes per log in) compared to 12-15M per hour with Hulk mining, and you have to stay logged in for the whole day to come close to casual trading.
For those not willing to trade, you can do L4 missions for very good cash. I tried farming them with two ships in order to break tanks way faster and use much less ammo and it kinda works. Net income can go from 12M per hour in worst L4 situation to 40M per hour for best missions, LP sold, large modules sold, salvage sold.
The only way to feel good as a miner is when you also have a T1 industrialist. Make stuff, open the market window and discover 99999999 trillions of that stuff being sold for half the minerals value.
The best facepalm situation? When you find all that stuff at half mineral value, wonder who is the moron who sells stuff at below production value and you discover it's you on your trade alt
You go check WTF you have done to sell that T1 stuff for so low and then you discover you sold it at half value because you could buy it at 1/10 of the value and just relist it at half value...
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.16 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 16/06/2009 07:42:27 I only have one account and one character and I've managed to do fine and have fun for well over a year now.
Having multiple accounts may make certain activities more efficient, but I refuse to engage in meta-gaming like that. I think it's preferable to make friends and join a corp and have other people haul.
In short, no, it's definitely not a 'necessity'.
EDIT: I agree with Akita's post above. If you are considering getting multiple accounts to make money to pay for said multiple accounts...why not just buy and then sell PLEXes and skip all that and proceed to have fun doing whatever you want to do. If you have a decent job, you can often make ISK faster by just buying it. I can make enough at my job for a PLEX in a few hours, whereas to make how much ISK I'd get from a PLEX in-game would take days, weeks, maybe longer. |
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Dodgy Past
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Posted - 2009.06.16 08:41:00 -
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I run a second account who is slowly training up to be a researcher, though this keeps on getting side tracked with other important skills that I need, but don't necessarily have to have on my main.
What I would suggest is if the support character is going to be science / industrial based think carefully about your remaps, also I highly recommend getting your alt into a covops asap as there are so many ways that can be used to support your main.
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RaidenMagmus
Darklore United
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Posted - 2009.06.16 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: RaidenMagmus on 16/06/2009 13:05:39
Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 16/06/2009 07:42:27
Having multiple accounts may make certain activities more efficient, but I refuse to engage in meta-gaming like that. I think it's preferable to make friends and join a corp and have other people haul.
Interesting definition of meta gaming.
As for the mining for isk discussion... getting out of highsec also helps with that (once you are able to). Mining ABCs turns income from 10 mil/hour into 30 or 40. Theoretically it can be a lot higher, but your corp/alliance will usually take a cut as well to pay for logistics, protecting the space, etc.
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Clansworth
Farstrider Industries MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.06.16 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: RaidenMagmus Edited by: RaidenMagmus on 16/06/2009 13:05:39
Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 16/06/2009 07:42:27
Having multiple accounts may make certain activities more efficient, but I refuse to engage in meta-gaming like that. I think it's preferable to make friends and join a corp and have other people haul.
Interesting definition of meta gaming.
Not really, if you think about it, going around the premise of the game IS meta-gaming. Assuming the game is a MMORPG, choosing to use multiple characters to get around the multiplayer aspect, as well as it's effect on role playing, definitely go against the MMORPG ideal.
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Mikhail Nehalem
Gallente Bureau of Somnium Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.16 15:08:00 -
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Wow! Thanks for all the replies.
Mining for PLEXes was just one of the options. I can afford to pay for the second account if I really want to, so its not a mega issue.
I've joined a Corp, so I'll hopefully be doing some Mining Ops with them. I guess I'll just see how it goes. |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.16 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 16/06/2009 16:14:40 I'm a miner / industrialist. I actually enjoy mining. I've been known NOT to go AFK while ice mining even. Weird huh!
I wasn't going to get a second account... then I borrowed a friend's Orca. It's really hard to beat a 35% yield increase from a maxed out Orca pilot, as well as all that cargo room. My own Orca pilot is in training (my friend has even offered to loan me the ISK to buy the Orca!).
I suggest you try it out. Training takes about 1 day for the basics.
1. Get a trial account. 2. Train Amarr Frigate 3, regardless of what race you want to play. 3. Train Amarr Industiral 1 (Amarr Bestower is the largest low skill Industrial ship) 4. Train Hull Upgrades 2. 5. Get a Bestower + 4x Cargohold Expanders II + 4x Giant Secure Containers
After that you can train learning skills 5/4 and start Orca training.
If you want to train to Industrial level 4, go Minmatar and get a Mammoth instead. Gallente is really only good for the Iteron V, and that takes a LONG time to train. Training any Industrial to level 5 also puts you in reach of Transports and Freighters.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.16 16:10:00 -
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I have two accounts that are completly opposite in what they are training but compliment each other perfectly.
Couldn't imagine playing Eve with just one account at this point. Having an alt with the capacity to mine, fly orcas, build ships, perfect refine /reprocess is just waaaay to f'ing useful. |
Mikhail Nehalem
Gallente Bureau of Somnium Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.16 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 16/06/2009 16:14:40 I'm a miner / industrialist. I actually enjoy mining. I've been known NOT to go AFK while ice mining even. Weird huh!
I wasn't going to get a second account... then I borrowed a friend's Orca. It's really hard to beat a 35% yield increase from a maxed out Orca pilot, as well as all that cargo room. My own Orca pilot is in training (my friend has even offered to loan me the ISK to buy the Orca!).
I suggest you try it out. Training takes about 1 day for the basics.
1. Get a trial account. 2. Train Amarr Frigate 3, regardless of what race you want to play. 3. Train Amarr Industiral 1 (Amarr Bestower is the largest low skill Industrial ship) 4. Train Hull Upgrades 2. 5. Get a Bestower + 4x Cargohold Expanders II + 4x Giant Secure Containers
After that you can train learning skills 5/4 and start Orca training.
If you want to train to Industrial level 4, go Minmatar and get a Mammoth instead. Gallente is really only good for the Iteron V, and that takes a LONG time to train. Training any Industrial to level 5 also puts you in reach of Transports and Freighters.
i really have been considering it because it would just be a whole lot easier to just stay in a belt and just have the hauler move back and forth between the belt and the station. |
Sep'Shoni
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 16:18:00 -
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A second account is not necessary.
A good corp of people you enjoy working with and spending game time with is probably necessary. |
Tesal
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Posted - 2009.06.17 18:16:00 -
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One thing you will find is that having 2 accounts lets you specialize your characters so you can advance much more quickly. You probably won't always want to mine and will want to try other things in the game. You can split your skills into spaceships on one account and mining, science, trade, industry on the other and get a lot of options quickly on what you are capable of doing in the game. The important thing is finding out what you like to do and then optimizing both of your accounts so you get the capabilities you need more quickly.
You might decide to make your second account a hauler on a pvp or missioning path.
A second account is very nice for using all the extra alt market slots as well. This can leave you with trader characters in 3 market hubs, for example, all on the same account and you won't feel bad about wasting time training basic trade skills on all of them if you choose a trade path because your main is still optimized.
If you want passive income, grinding standings for data cores is a good option with multiple accounts and can supplement other activities. You might also add invention and manufacturing capabilities to this mix giving you a character that can support you economically.
When your main is more advanced and might be living in 0.0 space or low sec, it is very handy to have an empire hauler and cyno alt who can move your stuff and do your shopping and logistics.
You also need 2 accounts if you want to scout yourself into a hostile area, this might help you get a freighter/orca into a low sec system for example without dying because you can have a combat ship go ahead of you and scout.
A second account might be good for ninja ratting and mining in 0.0. When you hear the gate fire next to your scout you will know to get your main to a safe spot.
I highly recommend a second or even third account if the more advanced parts of the game interest you. |
Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.06.18 19:38:00 -
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I think it sucks more than Jenna Jameson that to keep up with the Jones you need multiple accounts.
I find it 'meta-gaming' as well as the poster above for the same reasons.
I am a pro nerf-alt guy (1 account = 1 character) And would love to see them do away with multi-accounting |
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Hayaishi
Gallente East Eve Trading Co.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hoo Is I think it sucks more than Jenna Jameson that to keep up with the Jones you need multiple accounts.
I find it 'meta-gaming' as well as the poster above for the same reasons.
I am a pro nerf-alt guy (1 account = 1 character) And would love to see them do away with multi-accounting
yeah, just imagine ccp losing 35% or so of their income to this revolutionising change. |
czar shadow
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Posted - 2009.06.18 23:48:00 -
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one aspect of using 2 accounts is you take less chance of running into problems with ore thieves and belt rats, you can drop off secure cargo containers and ancor them and set a password, and this way you can x-fer without jettison containers, risk mining to long and it popping or ore thieves from stealing it
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Amoranis
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Posted - 2009.06.19 02:42:00 -
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if u have 2 computers and enough money to fund 2 characters. i highly recomend... P.S. i tried with one computer, and it made me dizzy swithcing screens 0,e |
Sep'Shoni
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.20 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Amoranis if u have 2 computers and enough money to fund 2 characters. i highly recomend... P.S. i tried with one computer, and it made me dizzy swithcing screens 0,e
Same happens to me when I borrow my husband's account to haul while I'm mining.
I can do it for a while but if I do it for an extended time I get a headache. |
Master Zeuth
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:09:00 -
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I run 4 accounts out of pocket.. Now usually the different training chars dont complement each other I use them to explore different aspects of the game.. However the untrained alts are usually used for hauling, Jita trading/price checks, Ceo holders, etc..
Now for me personally I have a hard time keeping up with all my characters, not sure if its short attention span or what, but I usually find myself playing on only 1 for awile and just keeping the others training. Though 3/4 trained characters are combat trained I always find myself wanting to get into the industrial side(mining/manufacturing) but end up realizing its not worth it money wise and its boring so usually end up selling that char.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.20 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sep'Shoni
Originally by: Amoranis if u have 2 computers and enough money to fund 2 characters. i highly recomend... P.S. i tried with one computer, and it made me dizzy swithcing screens 0,e
Same happens to me when I borrow my husband's account to haul while I'm mining.
I can do it for a while but if I do it for an extended time I get a headache.
playing in windowed mode + general settings > general > show window identification, makes it a bit easier.
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Jess Cuz
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Posted - 2009.06.21 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Amoranis if u have 2 computers and enough money to fund 2 characters. i highly recomend... P.S. i tried with one computer, and it made me dizzy swithcing screens 0,e
I run 3 clients on one computer just fine. All in window mode. Works like a dream. *shrug*
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Sep'Shoni
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.25 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Sep'Shoni
Originally by: Amoranis if u have 2 computers and enough money to fund 2 characters. i highly recomend... P.S. i tried with one computer, and it made me dizzy swithcing screens 0,e
Same happens to me when I borrow my husband's account to haul while I'm mining.
I can do it for a while but if I do it for an extended time I get a headache.
playing in windowed mode + general settings > general > show window identification, makes it a bit easier.
It still gets me.
I'm just not much of a multi-tasker.
Sep'Shoni
Mining ore and making stuff. Its not just a job, its an obsession. |
Jade MIdas
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Posted - 2009.06.25 16:06:00 -
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mine in low sec?
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unholy blight
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Posted - 2009.06.25 22:04:00 -
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to avoid getting a headache and switching would be to hook up a 2nd monitor. |
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