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Gath'ran Gammigan
Collaborative Arts Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.05.17 08:37:00 -
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First of all, thank you CCP for doing the much needed step of removing DPS-mining for minerals. It was a massive flow for minerals into the game and was seriously depriving EVE of mining as a serious profession *snicker*.
It seems though that residents of these regions have been given a bit of a shorter stick.
(A) Drones do not drop any loot of any kind. No meta items, no T1, no random ammunition caches. This ranks them significantly below the other races where ratting is concerned, considering the market value of some meta items. They do not make up for this with extraordinary salvage or anything like that either.
(B) The 'faction' Drone spawns drop components and T2 salvage. Things used in building. Again, if the plan was to bring Drones in line with the other factions, why not have them drop faction modules of some kind that are immediately useable?
(C) Drone anomalies are limited in variety and do not have escalations. <-- Seriously, this is bad, mmkay.
(D) No Drone space complexes. <--- Sadface
(E) No officer spawns that I've heard of <--- More sadness.
(F) No security status increase for killing the drones. <--- Though this is the least important of all of them, it's kinda still missing.
I can't help but think that the Drone regions have been a little over nerfed now. I'll try to collect some more data on sites and spawns as I have higher military index data available.
Has anyone else seen problems with Drone ratting so far? Please do post your observations, even if you disagree with me on some of the above or have information that I do not have yet.
Most importantly, will CCP be going back to address these issues if they are found to be legitimate ones? As it currently stands, I see people moving away from using these regions of space in favour of neighbouring ones, or even highsec. |
TriadSte
3rd Division
90
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Posted - 2012.05.17 08:53:00 -
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Maybe an attempt to get the russians to move on out of there? |
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
4
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Posted - 2012.05.17 10:47:00 -
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It's a shocking idea, I know, but maybe regions aren't supposed to be all equally desirable. |
Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.05.17 11:46:00 -
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Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote:It's a shocking idea, I know, but maybe regions aren't supposed to be all equally desirable.
Yes. Having content, which is not totally worthless is shocking indeed. |
Gath'ran Gammigan
Collaborative Arts Incorporated
5
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:33:00 -
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Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote:It's a shocking idea, I know, but maybe regions aren't supposed to be all equally desirable.
There definitely exist certain variables that make some regions more desirable than others, and this has not changed. However there was always a status quo for the money making activities of the average player, so to speak, and the variance in sites and activities made the prospect less boring.
This way drones are currently doesn't only make the region less desireable, it makes it anathemic, where players would rather be OUTSIDE the region to make cash, rather than within. I don't think any such thing should exist in nullsec. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
35
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Posted - 2012.05.17 18:46:00 -
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Space isn't equal, :shocker: |
Marcus McTavish
EnC Heavy Industries The EnC Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.05.17 22:20:00 -
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Indeed, regions should not all be equal. But this is many many regions that are terrible in almost every-way, in comparison. |
Boomhaur
64
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Posted - 2012.05.18 06:22:00 -
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These are not the drones you are looking for *waves hand*. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Shaen Vesuvius
A pink Cow
9
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:54:00 -
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If it's an undesirable place, it can be a place for corps to start their null career. Atm the only viable way of doing it, is joining an existing powerblock.
On the other hand, adding /improving drone related content might help. For example, making it so that drone regions are the sole area with building materials of...drones? (t1, t2, FACTION, fighters FB's etc.) BPC from complexes/profession sites, T2 from mags and overseers/sentients, material from rats...(Cue Gallente flame...)
Anyways , u get the drift. Drones need love, just not too much, cause they don't love us back.
And to answer your question: No, it wasnt overdone. the way it was before didnt make any sense. This is just a way of whiping the sheet clean so you can start over.
Also, adapt or die :) |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:26:00 -
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I went out scanning last week and found a bunch of sites, but 6 of them were independence's (drone site) I scoffed at the idea of even warping to them.
Did not regret not doing them. |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
266
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:29:00 -
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There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :) CCP Affinity | Team Five 0 |-á @CCP_Affinity |
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Whiskey 01
Akimamur Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:36:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :)
I live in low sec, never going to drone space. Your answer would really **** me off if I lived in drone space.
No answer would be better then that response. |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
268
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Posted - 2012.05.18 15:12:00 -
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Whiskey 01 wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :) I live in low sec, never going to drone space. Your answer would really **** me off if I lived in drone space. No answer would be better then that response.
We haven't 100% confirmed what we will be doing - we will discuss it when it is more final. I just wanted to let the community know we hadn't forgotten and will be doing something more with them. CCP Affinity | Team Five 0 |-á @CCP_Affinity |
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Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:02:00 -
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Whiskey 01 wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :) I live in low sec, never going to drone space. Your answer would really **** me off if I lived in drone space. No answer would be better then that response.
Really now? I'd just appreciate knowing the issue hadn't been forgotten about. Given CCP's track record, any response on an issue is good news because it means they won't totally ignore it.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
115
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Posted - 2012.05.18 21:20:00 -
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Thanks for continuing development work on rogue drones. I don't think anyone in the Drone Regions really minds waiting for more information, so long as we know that work is being done and the Drone Regions won't be left in their current state for years. The Drone Regions' major attraction was their well-developed industrial base, driven by a ready supply of minerals, which allowed for local production of almost all tech-1 ships. So unlike all other nullsec space, prices of Tech-1 ships and other modules were not terribly overpriced relative to Jita, and consequently while raw ISK per hour may have been lowed for Drone Region residents, their real income was about the same or higher due to lower prices.
If anything, I suspect most Drone Region residents are more interested in whether any work is being done on nullsec mineral supply and industry. At the moment, one of the biggest detriments to nullsec industry is the need to import low-ends and export high-ends. Even at current prices, it still doesn't make much sense for miners to mine low-ends outside of big mining operations, so those have to be imported, with associated fuel and time costs. High-ends have to be exported, with associated losses due to fuel and time costs. That in effect is a double-tax on ships and modules for all nullsec residents. |
Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.05.18 21:26:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :)
Good to hear. It would be a shame to have such a good idea as Rogue Drones to go to a waste. *fingers crossed* |
Gath'ran Gammigan
Collaborative Arts Incorporated
8
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Posted - 2012.05.18 23:19:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Whiskey 01 wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :) I live in low sec, never going to drone space. Your answer would really **** me off if I lived in drone space. No answer would be better then that response. We haven't 100% confirmed what we will be doing - we will discuss it when it is more final. I just wanted to let the community know we hadn't forgotten and will be doing something more with them.
Thank you for your response Affinity. I'm glad to see you haven't forgotten the Drone regions :) I'm really hoping whatever you introduce will usher in a new era of less boring PVE. At the moment running Drone Hordes (the Haven equivalent I believe) is just SO boring, and it brings in pittances.
Also our sov upgrades are largely being wasted, since the same levels in a system one region West, for example, yields some excellent site spawns and explorable sites.
I look forward to seeing what changes you come up with. If you need more feedback, please don't hesitate to ask and I'll be happy to collect data for you.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
48
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:51:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :)
Components for the new drone mods? |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate
35
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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:07:00 -
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Whiskey 01 wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :) I live in low sec, never going to drone space. Your answer would really **** me off if I lived in drone space. No answer would be better then that response.
its cool, all the devs are being heavy handed and cryptic this last strech here, its great fun. Check out threads about the other great changes including, but not limited to : The "inventory" , our skin colors, and the wardec changes. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
444
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Posted - 2012.05.20 10:33:00 -
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Gath'ran Gammigan wrote:First of all, thank you CCP for doing the much needed step of removing DPS-mining for minerals. It was a massive flow for minerals into the game and was seriously depriving EVE of mining as a serious profession *snicker*.
It seems though that residents of these regions have been given a bit of a shorter stick.
(A) Drones do not drop any loot of any kind. No meta items, no T1, no random ammunition caches. This ranks them significantly below the other races where ratting is concerned, considering the market value of some meta items. They do not make up for this with extraordinary salvage or anything like that either.
(B) The 'faction' Drone spawns drop components and T2 salvage. Things used in building. Again, if the plan was to bring Drones in line with the other factions, why not have them drop faction modules of some kind that are immediately useable?
To be honest I think the problem with the dronepoo was not so much the 'combat-mining' driving down the mineral-prices down galaxy-wide. It was the fact that all these minerals could be so easily, safely and especially cheaply transported to empire to compete with the miners there.
If jumpfreighters consumed a lot more fuel for jumping they would be restricted to strategic use only, not for making null and empire joined to the hip logistics-wise. It's a variation on the excessive projection of null-power that's currently causing problems all over the game.
Without this, the minerals would have mostly stayed in the drone regions, not interfering with galactic mineral prices, nor in need of such a excessive nerf.. T1 and capital production in the drone regions would have been really cheap, simply compensated by the fact a lot of other things would have been more expensive.
So mostly in line with the rest of null income-wise, but mainly just different, like it should. And the region being slightly less desirable but easy to build capital ships in, would turn it into a breeding grounds for ambitious fledgeling alliances.
But no, leave it to CCP to puts band-aids on symptoms, trying to achieve balance by simply making everything more the same, rather then fixing the root of the problem.
Gath'ran Gammigan wrote: (C) Drone anomalies are limited in variety and do not have escalations. <-- Seriously, this is bad, mmkay.
(D) No Drone space complexes. <--- Sadface
(E) No officer spawns that I've heard of <--- More sadness.
(F) No security status increase for killing the drones. <--- Though this is the least important of all of them, it's kinda still missing.
I agree that living in the Drone Regions should not not exclude you from null gameplay elements like escalations, Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
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Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.05.21 12:07:00 -
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Whiskey 01 wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will get *something* from your list above but for now, I am not telling you what :) I live in low sec, never going to drone space. Your answer would really **** me off if I lived in drone space. No answer would be better then that response.
I lived in Nul sec, in the drone regions. I think these changes were only slightly better than when they dropped alloys.
These changes are FAR worse than when you could warp to an anom and pop all 4 bunkers at once to get all the spawns happening. The community agree'd that is was the best also, for it saw the lowest prices for ships i have ever seen.
Now look at the cost of everything. People have to PVE for far longer than before just to be able to get into a ship they want.
Add in **** poor bounties, no sec status changes, no loot, no excitement, no interest, no players |
TotalRapeage
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:31:00 -
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Gath'ran Gammigan wrote:First of all, thank you CCP for doing the much needed step of removing DPS-mining for minerals. It was a massive flow for minerals into the game and was seriously depriving EVE of mining as a serious profession *snicker*.
It seems though that residents of these regions have been given a bit of a shorter stick.
(A) Drones do not drop any loot of any kind. No meta items, no T1, no random ammunition caches. This ranks them significantly below the other races where ratting is concerned, considering the market value of some meta items. They do not make up for this with extraordinary salvage or anything like that either.
(B) The 'faction' Drone spawns drop components and T2 salvage. Things used in building. Again, if the plan was to bring Drones in line with the other factions, why not have them drop faction modules of some kind that are immediately useable?
(C) Drone anomalies are limited in variety and do not have escalations. <-- Seriously, this is bad, mmkay.
(D) No Drone space complexes. <--- Sadface
(E) No officer spawns that I've heard of <--- More sadness.
(F) No security status increase for killing the drones. <--- Though this is the least important of all of them, it's kinda still missing.
I can't help but think that the Drone regions have been a little over nerfed now. I'll try to collect some more data on sites and spawns as I have higher military index data available.
Has anyone else seen problems with Drone ratting so far? Please do post your observations, even if you disagree with me on some of the above or have information that I do not have yet.
Most importantly, will CCP be going back to address these issues if they are found to be legitimate ones? As it currently stands, I see people moving away from using these regions of space in favour of neighbouring ones, or even highsec.
What do you mean drone anoms don't have escalations?? Drone hordes and patrols give out 10/10s... I have two in my journal right now. Also, the drone combat explore sites have a chance to escalate. I agree with your other points though. |
Gath'ran Gammigan
Collaborative Arts Incorporated
11
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:47:00 -
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TotalRapeage wrote:Gath'ran Gammigan wrote:
Has anyone else seen problems with Drone ratting so far? Please do post your observations, even if you disagree with me on some of the above or have information that I do not have yet.
What do you mean drone anoms don't have escalations?? Drone hordes and patrols give out 10/10s... I have two in my journal right now. Also, the drone combat explore sites have a chance to escalate. I agree with your other points though.
Aye cheers for pointing it out. From the fresh data I have gathered so far, the only escalation worth running is the 10/10 Outgrowth Rogue Drone Hive, however even this has a lower payout in comparison to other 10/10s, and with no drops, no Officer loot, and diminished salvage (more and more it seems like this is the case), the site isn't worth all that much (reports indicate 800m tops).
Does this sound accurate? |
Terza Torre
Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:04:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:[quote=Whiskey 01][quote=CCP Affinity]There is still on-going development with the rogue drones. They will ... We haven't 100% confirmed what we will be doing - we will discuss it when it is more final. I just wanted to let the community know we hadn't forgotten and will be doing something more with them.
This is really a great news TYVM!
I tried to give drones plexing a real chance after the last pacthes but the situation is really terrible: in addition to no loot at all only very very rare DED 3 plexes are found in 0.0 and they never drop anything, seems to be there just for discouraging us.
If you are lucky enough to make the full Hyerarchy escalation you took at least three hours for 100 mill loot at best.
The magnetometric and radar sites are awful: 30 to 45 mins to finsh those just to get nothing at all or, very rarely, 1 drone BPC that is worth 5 mill....
Please give us a stanadard set of plexes with faction items like others ty
TT |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
130
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:23:00 -
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Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote:It's a shocking idea, I know, but maybe regions aren't supposed to be all equally desirable.
Man said it it all right here using as few words as possible, if I could like this post 20 times with one click I would. |
Charlie Conway
Pax Emunio Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:56:00 -
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You take away all those juicy alloys and make every anom a grav site. Where all the RAD/MAG sites be at yo? |
Tikera Tissant
36
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Posted - 2012.05.24 09:19:00 -
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I'll also add that drone region was a nice place to build stuff because of the drones alloys.
Now, without it, and the lack of some critical minerals in the area, its a pretty useless zone really. |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
65
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:44:00 -
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I see alot of pilots going tuff luck.
But come on it's 0.0 and right now it's worth less then any space in the game High sec included.
That's just wrong and you know it.
I'm mostly a High sec/Worm hole kind of guy but for 0.0 that's just wrong.
And I do mean that from a fighter pilot point of view.
Yes there are Moons and Rocks there and less figher pilots would make it that much easyer for people to hit up Moons and Rocks but still.
Edit: But a cool ideal would be killing and salvaging Rogue Drones for parts to build Tech 3 Drones. Hellz Yes! That would be the something to get me out of high sec/wormholes. I love drones all ways have :) I know it will not happen but it would be something differnt from every other 0.0 space. Or even Tech 2 Fighter/Bomer drones for Carriers/SC's. That would fire up some hot and heavy wars in Drone space I bet too. :)
And before you shoot down the Tech 2 Figher/Bomer ideal it do's not mean Tech 2 fighter/bomer's would have to have more dps it could mean just better speed/less bandwith/drone bay space as well. |
Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
51
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Posted - 2012.05.26 10:24:00 -
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I think the way it has been handled has been a complete joke. Still an ongoing development? please. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
207
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Posted - 2012.05.27 18:52:00 -
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Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote:It's a shocking idea, I know, but maybe regions aren't supposed to be all equally desirable.
I agree. For example, the Null Space the Goons are in has been very, very valuable for a long time.
I think all Tech Moons should be removed from it.
Shake things up a bit.
NOTE: I am perfectly serious. |
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