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Erikel
Gallente Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Sarmiang Edited by: Sidus Sarmiang on 17/06/2009 22:24:23
Originally by: Erikel Now that Goonies and friends have nothing to shoot, I wonder when they are going to start backstabbing each other and how long it will take before all the "I hate BOB more than Goonies" people start shooting the Goonies since they won't have BOB to shoot anymore?
Anyways I think the Goonies are next in line. Next few months should be interesting. Just a thought, what do you guys think? Who will be next?
Disclaimer: Bla bla blah not the views of my corp or alliance bla bla bla etc etc
We all have plenty of things to shoot. Maybe not all together, but there's no shortage of fights in EVE.
I'm surprised someone in a relevant, important alliance like brick squad period has such a poor grasp of politics.
Franks an' Beans!! |
Thodoros
Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 07:59:00 -
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Victory! Fly safe in empire.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Valerianne
Aliances that really did something impressive without the use of metagamimg are: The Five conquering the north and Triumvirate when they conquered Deklein.
Wait, you are not speaking about the five coming north fighting FE and rawr, then setting FE blue and continuing to hit the brick wall untill they retreated ?
Or tri win over allmighty pure&hydra ? you serious ? :D |
Tibba Curri
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.18 08:19:00 -
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GF It's been been quite a long and fascinating chapter in EVE history from the days of XZH/S-U84A until now. Time to turn the page and start a new one.
Much love and thanks to our allies. |
Dahlia Houghton
Caldari Moon Mechanics Corp GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.18 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Don ZOLA
Originally by: Valerianne tri win over allmighty pure&hydra ? you serious ? :D
that was vale of the silent, deklein invasion was over the mighty forces of Aftermath alliance/Sparta (:cripes:)/ Vigilance Infinitas all hilariously crap players.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Don ZOLA on 18/06/2009 09:28:26
Originally by: Dahlia Houghton
Originally by: Valerianne tri win over allmighty pure&hydra ? you serious ? :D
that was vale of the silent, deklein invasion was over the mighty forces of Aftermath alliance/Sparta (:cripes:)/ Vigilance Infinitas all hilariously crap players.
my bad sorry.
Now wall of text incoming :
gg for all involved sides. This war was the most epic war in eve and hopefully will remain that for long time in future. Now there is great potential to brake all coalitions and make eve much more fun again without superblobs.
Outcome was inevitable for quite some time and was more the question of time when it will happen. Imho Molle should admit defeat, disband bob as we know it, and if there is enough interested people make something new and not try to be never ending alliance (FIX type).
This way bob will remain remembered as major power which died in the greatest conflict in mmorpg world. If they go the FIX way i am afraid that with the time people will forget their past achievements and might.
You can love them or hate them but the fact is that they was a long period while bob was the msot proffesional and strongest alliance. That was due to having lots of vets and extraordinary command and their professional behavior. Their enemies were not on that level, neither the leadership nor the ordinary members.
In the beggining bob had bunch of expirienced pvpers, people who knew their job and were lead by great fcs. Plenty of eve legends were among their ranks working on signle mission, making the greatest alliance of all the time. And they were good at it as they were among first to realise that internet spaceships are serious business.
Bob had it all, not just the pvp side. They had great economy too. Their leadership was doing awesome job in every aspect. Except the politics...
One among the first things bob became famous for is backstabbing of allies when it suits them. There are many that felt that on their own back. Thou still plenty who were still sticking to bob simply being too scared that they would be certainly ****d by them otherway.
Backstabbing allies created lot of hatred over time broadwise whole eve. People are fluctuating, changing corps, alliances etc and spread their opinions. Their allies could never be 100% sure that they wont be "sacrified" at some point. And thats not good diplomacy thing as if there is no relation based on trust and stability and safety in someone it has to break down eventually.
Second thing that didnt go in their favour was arrogance. It was semi acceptable in the start, when they really were above their enemies in majority of aspects. But during the time bob was recruiting and absorbing people from their pets alliances and from alliances they killed. Ofc there were some decent players there but most of them were wannabes who wanted easy "i win button" and be part of something great without much effort. And they were all behaving like they are responsible for everything bob has done and like they were part of it, while most of them wasnt even "alive in game" at that time. Ie they were taking credits and basing their arrogancy on the work old bobbits did. They took the "right" for that by simply wearing the ticker.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 09:29:00 -
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Too much failures from fail alliances was recruited that way. But even that was survivable as long as bob leadership had strength and activity for the game. All you needed is soldiers who can listen. Read fit and everything on forum and listen to the fc. And that worked. Problem was that old fcs were getting burned. Be it too much rl obligations, boredom with eve, wanting to try something new or whatever, they were simply leaving. And there was no good replacements. I dont think there is a single good fc that joined bob in last 1-2 years ? (not sure when waagaa joined but still he is 1 person). Good fcs from other corps wanted challenge, and there is no bigger challenge then fighting top1 alliance :) So they were going to anti bob corps/alliances.
During the time anti bob "movement" was growing. Plenty of incidents helped that. T20 was just one of them. Then their metagaming. Bob of all times has changed. They were not winning just by ingame skill. The concept of their players changed. They wanted wins at any costs, wannabes thinking among their ranks has overthrown their old style wanting good fights. Ofc good fights was still used meme but the things show different.
They used ingame exploits, ccp info, direct involvement from devs anything at all to get advantage. Not everyone ofc but some low lifes. The problem was that low lifes among their ranks were tolerated instead of punished and kicked. Dishonouring 1vs1 deals, stealing from their own members and such things made their old members slowly start to leave and get fed up. And fresh blood wasnt good enough to carry the burden of top dog pvp alliance. Forum propaganda and smacktalking didnt help that either. As last resort they even allied alliance they were constantly smacktalking to previous years calling them exploiters, ebayers etc. But when they needed their help they changed the tape.
I will not go in strategic mistakes they did and the battles and wars they lost. Its game, you win some you lose some. Its important to remain "the man" during that time and keep your dignity and honour and not eat your own words.
Im out of this conflict for quite some time due to my inactivity but i do feel like an arch enemy is gone. Since the FA days i disliked bob for the backstab they did to that alliance. Im sure that lots of people will feel like there is gapping hole now in the place where your enemy is supposed to be no matter at what point they started crusade against bob.
While i agree that you cant kill alliance until leadership do it itself i think that they should close down bob as we know it atm. Lots of people will leave now to try something else, lots of people will retire. regroup yourself and make new alliance and go for something new. Or just disband and let every corp find their own fun. After all you must admit that your opponents defeated you.
If you regroup and continue as bob again with same allies (at least those who survive) it will be against the same superblob shhit. Give a chance to eve politics to change the maps. To change the relations between alliance. To make new wars. Then after some time when you regroup as somenone new take your chance again to build it all over again. But maybe this time be carefull and not recruit wannabes that apply :P.
gl.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 09:41:00 -
[488]
Tell us Molle, how does it feel to feel your pets?
Eve, a place where the wolf became the lamb. Oh, the irony!
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Djerin
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.18 09:58:00 -
[489]
Originally by: Don ZOLA wall of text
Nice read though.
Cheers 'n RAWR! |
deadmaus
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.18 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: tehnomage Kenzoku ... good luck with whatever you're moving to guys.
As for the GoonTar... err Swarm, is it just me or you didn't actually kill BoB, it was their own guy that sealed their fate. So at the end of the day, the only thing that could put BoB down was BoB themselfs. Smack about it all you like, it's just the sad reality. EvE vs BoB, BoB wins again, kthxbye.
ROFL
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"And guess what? You're all dead. You just dont know it yet. Start moving your stuff from your stations, they wont be yours for much longer. Start looking for new space to occupy, it wont be yours much longer.
You know why?
We are BoB". |
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Myz Toyou on 18/06/2009 12:02:55
Originally by: Don ZOLA They used ingame exploits, ccp info, direct involvement from devs anything at all to get advantage. Not everyone ofc but some low lifes. The problem was that low lifes among their ranks were tolerated instead of punished and kicked. Dishonouring 1vs1 deals, stealing from their own members and such things made their old members slowly start to leave and get fed up. As last resort they even allied alliance they were constantly smacktalking to previous years calling them exploiters, ebayers etc. But when they needed their help they changed the tape.
Also works for every single Alliance that killed BOBZuko, just sayin but overall a nice writeup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo |
Don ZOLA
Caldari Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Myz Toyou Edited by: Myz Toyou on 18/06/2009 12:02:55
Originally by: Don ZOLA They used ingame exploits, ccp info, direct involvement from devs anything at all to get advantage. Not everyone ofc but some low lifes. The problem was that low lifes among their ranks were tolerated instead of punished and kicked. Dishonouring 1vs1 deals, stealing from their own members and such things made their old members slowly start to leave and get fed up. As last resort they even allied alliance they were constantly smacktalking to previous years calling them exploiters, ebayers etc. But when they needed their help they changed the tape.
Also works for every single Alliance that killed BOBZuko, just sayin but overall a nice writeup
true but bob was always playing on honour, white knight card always saying they do it by skill etc. and they were first to use metagaming as valid option.
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Vile rat
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.18 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Myz Toyou Edited by: Myz Toyou on 18/06/2009 12:02:55
Originally by: Don ZOLA They used ingame exploits, ccp info, direct involvement from devs anything at all to get advantage. Not everyone ofc but some low lifes. The problem was that low lifes among their ranks were tolerated instead of punished and kicked. Dishonouring 1vs1 deals, stealing from their own members and such things made their old members slowly start to leave and get fed up. As last resort they even allied alliance they were constantly smacktalking to previous years calling them exploiters, ebayers etc. But when they needed their help they changed the tape.
Also works for every single Alliance that killed BOBZuko, just sayin but overall a nice writeup
Not true at all. We didn't do one or two of those things.
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Soldis
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 12:34:00 -
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I wish there was a site that containing all the hilarious BOB quotes with timestamps and summary of the time period.
I want to be able to go to that site and pick a few quotes and troll whatever is left of Kenny in local forever.
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Caldari Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 12:48:00 -
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@ DON Zola: Nice read, thanks for that.
Kudos to people involved. I didn't take part in the conflict, but it certainly was interesting to follow. Thanks to Mittens for nicely written reports and propaganda. |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.18 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Don ZOLA
true but bob was always playing on honour, white knight card always saying they do it by skill etc. and they were first to use metagaming as valid option.
Not really the first to embrace it, if anything BoB was a bit of a late arrival on the "Total War" scene, but I agree that tends to be the popular opinion (maybe because the thought of us being on your TS, or in your forums, or on your IRC command channels was nearly effective as us actually being there. Much of the reported meta-gaming stuff, certainly early on, never actually happened. However, making people beleive it was to our advantage.)
Great write up by the way. I can't deny that there have been some things which happened within the alliance which made me question the direction it was taking. I have no doubt that the underlying conflict between some of the old guard and the newer "total war" thinking probably had a negative impact. Whilst e-honour is a much mocked thing in the Eve of today I see no shame in it, and as it seemed to diminish within the alliance I began to wonder if we were trading something worthwhile for a sack full of shiny, but ultimately worthless, trinkets. If I were to be absolutely honest I would have much rather that we had gone down all guns blazing at The Alamo during the previous Delve invasion than continued to see the betrayal we suffered. I wasn't so much angry as genuinely shocked and, I have to confess, disappointed. I guess because it was something that I had never even considered doing it just did not occur to me that someone else may. Maybe my e-honour backfired on me there, but it does lead on to my next point. In the Eve which exists today, certainly with regards to alliance politics and warfare, it seems to me that to succeed you must be prepared to play in a style I just can't bring myself to adopt. I'm not saying that it is a bad thing, it just isn't *my* thing. Whilst there are those who would berate our foes for the tactics they employed there is no denying that they were effective. I guess if winning at all costs is your thing then they have achieved a well deserved victory which I am sure they are enjoying greatly, and so they should.
I'm struggling to avoid making this all sound like the bitter rantings of a defeated entity, because that really isn't how I feel. I am trying to put forward my personal thoughts as honestly and clearly as I can.
This isn't an "iQuit" post either, so don't uncork that champagne just yet! If anything I am probably more interested in Eve now than at any time this year (not that I have been unable to play much, but I don't really want to go in to that - suffice to say it has nothing to do with ingame events).
Change is always interesting and challenging, and I am looking forward to it.
/me braces for smackfest impact.
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Soldis
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Don ZOLA
true but bob was always playing on honour, white knight card always saying they do it by skill etc. and they were first to use metagaming as valid option.
Not really the first to embrace it, if anything BoB was a bit of a late arrival on the "Total War" scene, but I agree that tends to be the popular opinion (maybe because the thought of us being on your TS, or in your forums, or on your IRC command channels was nearly effective as us actually being there. Much of the reported meta-gaming stuff, certainly early on, never actually happened. However, making people beleive it was to our advantage.)
Great write up by the way. I can't deny that there have been some things which happened within the alliance which made me question the direction it was taking. I have no doubt that the underlying conflict between some of the old guard and the newer "total war" thinking probably had a negative impact. Whilst e-honour is a much mocked thing in the Eve of today I see no shame in it, and as it seemed to diminish within the alliance I began to wonder if we were trading something worthwhile for a sack full of shiny, but ultimately worthless, trinkets. If I were to be absolutely honest I would have much rather that we had gone down all guns blazing at The Alamo during the previous Delve invasion than continued to see the betrayal we suffered. I wasn't so much angry as genuinely shocked and, I have to confess, disappointed. I guess because it was something that I had never even considered doing it just did not occur to me that someone else may. Maybe my e-honour backfired on me there, but it does lead on to my next point. In the Eve which exists today, certainly with regards to alliance politics and warfare, it seems to me that to succeed you must be prepared to play in a style I just can't bring myself to adopt. I'm not saying that it is a bad thing, it just isn't *my* thing. Whilst there are those who would berate our foes for the tactics they employed there is no denying that they were effective. I guess if winning at all costs is your thing then they have achieved a well deserved victory which I am sure they are enjoying greatly, and so they should.
I'm struggling to avoid making this all sound like the bitter rantings of a defeated entity, because that really isn't how I feel. I am trying to put forward my personal thoughts as honestly and clearly as I can.
This isn't an "iQuit" post either, so don't uncork that champagne just yet! If anything I am probably more interested in Eve now than at any time this year (not that I have been unable to play much, but I don't really want to go in to that - suffice to say it has nothing to do with ingame events).
Change is always interesting and challenging, and I am looking forward to it.
/me braces for smackfest impact.
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Poopsock Alarmclock
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.18 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Much of the reported meta-gaming stuff, certainly early on, never actually happened. However, making people beleive it was to our advantage.
allying a large portion of the player base against you based on these accusations was to your advantage, was it
how'd that work out for you |
Fossil Wolf
Caldari omen. Gay4Life
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Posted - 2009.06.18 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Whilst e-honour is a much mocked thing in the Eve of today I see no shame in it
Originally by: Fossil Wolf This whole 'war' has been a massive PR success for BoB
the idea of 'e-honour' isn't dead yet
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Ambre Blanche
Amarr ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.18 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
In the Eve which exists today, certainly with regards to alliance politics and warfare, it seems to me that to succeed you must be prepared to play in a style I just can't bring myself to adopt. I'm not saying that it is a bad thing, it just isn't *my* thing. Whilst there are those who would berate our foes for the tactics they employed there is no denying that they were effective. I guess if winning at all costs is your thing then they have achieved a well deserved victory which I am sure they are enjoying greatly, and so they should.
DonÆt worry. A lot of us ôordinary playersö arenÆt prepared to do ôanythingö to win in EVE
I have had the privilege to fight the GBC during more than 2 years, amongst a lot of brothers in arms, and I never witnessed any cheating, on the field or elsewhere. We still like a good fair fight and I certainly hope BoB players will recover and keep the game challenging.
We have a quote in French : plus dure sera la chute, that you can roughly translate by ôthe hardest the fallö. It means that the higher and stronger you go, the hardest you will fall : inevitably. BoB was a shining beacon of power and arrogance; they bit the dust as hard as that, betrayed by one of their own, abandonned by many. It was fate.
See you on the next battlefield, Ambre.
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Christopher Multsanti
Amarr Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2009.06.18 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 18/06/2009 14:01:10
Originally by: Avon Not really the first to embrace it, if anything BoB was a bit of a late arrival on the "Total War" scene, but I agree that tends to be the popular opinion (maybe because the thought of us being on your TS, or in your forums, or on your IRC command channels was nearly effective as us actually being there. Much of the reported meta-gaming stuff, certainly early on, never actually happened. However, making people beleive it was to our advantage.)
I understand we will both see things differently and both through two sets of rose tinted spectacles but imo:
Ever since the "there is no spoon post" BOB change.
From my memory, you were the first to offline a hostile (FA) pos using a spy, then anchor your own to kill anyone who logged in.
The first to try and publicly destroy players on these forums with repeated posts/sigs (John Mcreedy, Seleene etc).
The first to plan to kill a supercap while it was logged off (D2 Titan).
Those are the things I can remember off the top of my head but at the time, these actions really pushed the boundries on what gone before.
And to sum up, I am sure the rank and file of original BOB members only wanted good fights. But the leadership, Molle in particular only wanted to win, no matter what. That has been clear, for me anyway, for a long time. |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.18 13:59:00 -
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I didn't fight this war (well, I've been helping to clean out towers in 49-, but that doesn't count), but I've followed the conflict between BoB and Goonfleet since it was new. Also, BoB (through MC) helped kill my first alliance (The Big Blue), so I've been following them on and off for most of the time I've played Eve. Based on that outsider's knowledge, here's my own little post-mortem. It's almost certain to be based on one or two faulty assumptions, but this is CAOD, so v0v
I think that BoB's biggest mistake was a dependence on things that should not have been depended upon. Examples include:
1) A dependence on game mechanics that could be (and often were) changed on short notice. 2) 'Superior' knowledge of said game mechanics and the strategies and tactics that were based on them. 3) A strategy of recruiting the most effective pilots and most valuable resources from their vassals, with the intention of shifting all local strength to themselves. 4) The belief that their reputation (combined with the previous brain drain) would be enough to keep their vassals/pets/allies surbordinate to their will. 4) The belief that they could do whatever they liked to weaker alliances without consequence. 5) Finally, the belief that the safeguards placed within corporate/alliance mechanics (for exmaple, shares) could be ignored or avoided for the sake of expediency (or for whatever reason).
Also, I think that there was a dependence on the 'batphone' (direct or semi-direct contact with the development team) and idea that they had an understanding of the direction that the development team wanted to the game to take. I don't mean that in a "the devs liked BoB best" way. I mean it more in the sense that many of BoB's old guard were recruited from among people started playing during a time when the player base was smaller, when player/dev relationship was much more collegial and when the walls that exist now between game maker and game player weren't nearly as high as they are today.
The players who formed what became BoB (and other players from that time) were able to contact the developers with their suggestions, complaints and ideas and have a high expectation that they were being listened to. This isn't cheating, but it can foster a belief in players that they DO help control to some degree. Getting a line to God for events (that provided generous rewards), a heads-up on new features that provided massive potential for profit and other similar phenomenon occured back before most of us had even heard of Eve, but they provided a massive advantage to those players that benefited from them.
The fact that old-school members (many of whom formed the backbone of BoB) took advantage this largess isn't, in my opinion, cheating. I can't blame them for taking advantage of the goodies that the devs handed out back then. In their position, I'd have done exactly the same thing, and I would have used every inch of the advantage that such things provided me. It was short-sighted on the part of the developers, but I can understand why they wanted to do special things for the Eve community. I think that, by and large, CCP has done its best to level the playing field. I don't think BoB's founding members ever thought that their advantages would be erased so quickly, but it turns out that what Molle used to say was right: Those who cannot adapt become victims of evolution. He just forgot to take his own advice.
Okay, feel free to pick that apart. It's almost certainly wrong on one level or another. Also, in before TL;DR. |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Caldari Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Soldis insignificant alliance, did not read
Irony overload? |
Soldis
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:15:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi
Originally by: Soldis insignificant alliance, did not read
Irony overload?
How dare you! We more than any other have had direct influence on this war. We decced Goons many times, forcing them to get better at PVP, and ultimately become nearly on par with us, and finally able to defeat Kenzoku.
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:21:00 -
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Its good that its over and if you are in any doubt of how insignificant it all was, you just need to read some of the many replies from people who 'died' years ago in this thread.
Good luck with your next adventure bob and goons.
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Cippalippus Primus
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:24:00 -
[506]
Originally by: Avon
If I were to be absolutely honest I would have much rather that we had gone down all guns blazing at The Alamo during the previous Delve invasion than continued to see the betrayal we suffered. I wasn't so much angry as genuinely shocked and, I have to confess, disappointed. I guess because it was something that I had never even considered doing it just did not occur to me that someone else may. Maybe my e-honour backfired on me there, but it does lead on to my next point.
I don't understand what continuous betrayal you are talking about. Care to elaborate on it? Are you talking about Haargoth, allies or something else? |
Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:39:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Avon I have been unable to play much
Ship camped into a station?
If you quit, can I have your stuff? You don't have to move it, just leave it in the station you lost, and contract, tia. |
Dahlia Houghton
Caldari Moon Mechanics Corp GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: Avon
If I were to be absolutely honest I would have much rather that we had gone down all guns blazing at The Alamo during the previous Delve invasion than continued to see the betrayal we suffered. I wasn't so much angry as genuinely shocked and, I have to confess, disappointed. I guess because it was something that I had never even considered doing it just did not occur to me that someone else may. Maybe my e-honour backfired on me there, but it does lead on to my next point.
I don't understand what continuous betrayal you are talking about. Care to elaborate on it? Are you talking about Haargoth, allies or something else?
I think he means the betrayal they did their pets throughout the years taking the "best" members while abusing the relationship to their own end before disowning them, all the while seeding the discontent most of eve have with BoB/Kenny due to exploits/game mechanic abuse which was before unknown to any other players that and destroying those who were weakest.
Still its a funny old world. |
von Goethe
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Soldis
Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi
Originally by: Soldis insignificant alliance, did not read
Irony overload?
How dare you! We more than any other have had direct influence on this war. We decced Goons many times, forcing them to get better at PVP, and ultimately become nearly on par with us, and finally able to defeat Kenzoku.
I, too, am unfamiliar with this "Kazuko" alliance or whatever it's called. Most goons have heard of Privateers (My inbox has been getting HAMMERED), but these Kazuko fellows I only started hearing about a few short months ago.
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Cur
Minmatar Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 15:04:00 -
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If it's really over, I'm glad to see this particular corrupt empire implode.
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