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iRock
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Posted - 2004.10.29 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Brunis
Originally by: Mark A
Quote: Close every program posible in Windows since Eve is VERY CPU demanding - Even stopping stuff like Winamp and mIRC will help, so close everything you don't need!
The foreground application should steal almost all of the CPU time when it needs to - unless you're running something CPU-intensive in the background (ie shows 10-20% of the CPU all the time) this won't matter much. Also stopping WinXP services you don't need won't make any difference either - this is a bit of a myth - processes that aren't doing any work don't use any significant CPU (< 1%).
Here you are wrong though, you can never trust a CPU meter it never shows the right amout. Also i tested this before i added it on the list, it maybe dident give much but 1-2 FPS is still a boost.
Another reason why this works (on the slower cpu's) is not only the CPU time and memory that they eat but also the context switches which the scheduler has to make. You might even want to try running the EVE.EXE as your shell environment instead of explorer.exe :)
The "changing process priority"-thingy is actually almost the same effect as killing other running processes. The processes with a higher priority just get a bigger timeslice to execute on the CPU. Note that if set EVE too high other processes dont get enough CPU time to do their thing which results in a long work queue and in the end; a total lockup.
You should be safe playing around with this setting if you either have a hypertreading or dual beast. If you have a real dual machine (no HT) you could even try setting the affinity to one cpu only and switching to "real time". As far as I know this even makes better use of the CPU cache, but I dont think this is the case with EVE sinces it only runs one thread.
/me should go back to work now .....
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iRock
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Posted - 2004.10.29 14:09:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Brunis
Originally by: Mark A
Quote: Close every program posible in Windows since Eve is VERY CPU demanding - Even stopping stuff like Winamp and mIRC will help, so close everything you don't need!
The foreground application should steal almost all of the CPU time when it needs to - unless you're running something CPU-intensive in the background (ie shows 10-20% of the CPU all the time) this won't matter much. Also stopping WinXP services you don't need won't make any difference either - this is a bit of a myth - processes that aren't doing any work don't use any significant CPU (< 1%).
Here you are wrong though, you can never trust a CPU meter it never shows the right amout. Also i tested this before i added it on the list, it maybe dident give much but 1-2 FPS is still a boost.
Another reason why this works (on the slower cpu's) is not only the CPU time and memory that they eat but also the context switches which the scheduler has to make. You might even want to try running the EVE.EXE as your shell environment instead of explorer.exe :)
The "changing process priority"-thingy is actually almost the same effect as killing other running processes. The processes with a higher priority just get a bigger timeslice to execute on the CPU. Note that if set EVE too high other processes dont get enough CPU time to do their thing which results in a long work queue and in the end; a total lockup.
You should be safe playing around with this setting if you either have a hypertreading or dual beast. If you have a real dual machine (no HT) you could even try setting the affinity to one cpu only and switching to "real time". As far as I know this even makes better use of the CPU cache, but I dont think this is the case with EVE sinces it only runs one thread.
/me should go back to work now .....
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Ethan Kel
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Posted - 2004.11.01 09:24:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Ethan Kel on 01/11/2004 09:40:48 Great thread thank you!
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Ethan Kel
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Posted - 2004.11.01 09:24:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Ethan Kel on 01/11/2004 09:40:48 Great thread thank you!
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Rift lance
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Posted - 2004.11.09 09:26:00 -
[125]
Use Fraps when cheking your FPS because the in game monitor pulls down your FPS 2.
Fraps gives you a more accurate reading.
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Rift lance
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Posted - 2004.11.09 09:26:00 -
[126]
Use Fraps when cheking your FPS because the in game monitor pulls down your FPS 2.
Fraps gives you a more accurate reading.
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:32:00 -
[127]
Spyware!!! And don't forget about the Spyware! Spyware is a groupterm for programs that bring commercial like material to your computer. These mostly come with free programs you download off the internet and usually install without you knowing about it. Examples of Spyware are those annoying addbars that suddenly appear in your browser, random add popups even though your browser is completely shutdown and the sudden change of your startpage. Some spyware just run in the background and monitor your surfing behaviour while some actively scan your harddrive for your commercial interests.
The problem with Spyware isn't only that they rudely invade a users privacy and cause general annoyance. Spyware can also have a severe impact on your overall system performance. Some Spyware even make your computer unstable, making it impossible to run certain programs.
All in all it's best to run a Spyware clean computer. You can scan and clean your computer of Spyware with any of the following programs:
AdAware - http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ Spybot Search & Destroy - http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
Virus! Naturally you also want to have your virusscanner up to date. I dont have to explain how a virus could affect system performance
Drivers Eventhough stated before, keeping your drivers up to date is essential to system performance. Remember that you need drivers for many components, including: chipset (motherboard), videocard (nvidia/ati), soundcard
Hardware problems Hardware problems can slow your PC down too. To check for hardware problems, right click 'My Computer' on your desktop and hit 'Properties'. Now go to the 'Hardware Tab' tab, press 'Device Manager' and see if any of the devices listed there has a questionmark / exclamationmark.
Advanced: IRQ Problems A general hardware problem is conflicting IRQs. It'd take a wholelotta time to explain IRQ problems so I'll just remind the people who allready know what they are to check for them. Just start 'System Information' under 'Start Menu\Programs\Accessories\System Tools' and check to see if thereis hardware listed under the 'IRQ conflicts' option under the 'Hardware Resources' tree. Let me remind you that even if two devices are working properly while sharing an IRQ they can still be afflicting each others performance. My vcard shares an IRQ with my USB bus, but they both work properly. However when I disabled USB I noticed a 20% FPS increase in most games!
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:32:00 -
[128]
Spyware!!! And don't forget about the Spyware! Spyware is a groupterm for programs that bring commercial like material to your computer. These mostly come with free programs you download off the internet and usually install without you knowing about it. Examples of Spyware are those annoying addbars that suddenly appear in your browser, random add popups even though your browser is completely shutdown and the sudden change of your startpage. Some spyware just run in the background and monitor your surfing behaviour while some actively scan your harddrive for your commercial interests.
The problem with Spyware isn't only that they rudely invade a users privacy and cause general annoyance. Spyware can also have a severe impact on your overall system performance. Some Spyware even make your computer unstable, making it impossible to run certain programs.
All in all it's best to run a Spyware clean computer. You can scan and clean your computer of Spyware with any of the following programs:
AdAware - http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ Spybot Search & Destroy - http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
Virus! Naturally you also want to have your virusscanner up to date. I dont have to explain how a virus could affect system performance
Drivers Eventhough stated before, keeping your drivers up to date is essential to system performance. Remember that you need drivers for many components, including: chipset (motherboard), videocard (nvidia/ati), soundcard
Hardware problems Hardware problems can slow your PC down too. To check for hardware problems, right click 'My Computer' on your desktop and hit 'Properties'. Now go to the 'Hardware Tab' tab, press 'Device Manager' and see if any of the devices listed there has a questionmark / exclamationmark.
Advanced: IRQ Problems A general hardware problem is conflicting IRQs. It'd take a wholelotta time to explain IRQ problems so I'll just remind the people who allready know what they are to check for them. Just start 'System Information' under 'Start Menu\Programs\Accessories\System Tools' and check to see if thereis hardware listed under the 'IRQ conflicts' option under the 'Hardware Resources' tree. Let me remind you that even if two devices are working properly while sharing an IRQ they can still be afflicting each others performance. My vcard shares an IRQ with my USB bus, but they both work properly. However when I disabled USB I noticed a 20% FPS increase in most games!
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Basileus
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:45:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Basileus on 19/11/2004 13:48:28 This is a pretty good thread actually! Thanks for the tips and suggestions. I have tried them, however, my in-game FPS still is dreadful.
I've paused playing Eve for a couple of months, and when I returned to the game a few days ago, I noticed the picture in-game was flickering like hell. The FPS in-game was a whopping 7-8 . In station I reached ~50 FPS. My configuration had not changed, except for a new LCD monitor. I run WIN XP on a P4 (2.4 GHz) with 512 MB RAM. My graphics card is an MSI FX5600 (128 MB). This config gave me excellent FPS in the past. I noticed the CPU performance went up to 80 - 90% when I left the station. I have no large TSR programs running that could consume my processor power (or memory for that matter).
I am rather baffled, and would certainly apperciate some help, as the game is unplayable for me at the moment. |
Basileus
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Posted - 2004.11.19 13:45:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Basileus on 19/11/2004 13:48:28 This is a pretty good thread actually! Thanks for the tips and suggestions. I have tried them, however, my in-game FPS still is dreadful.
I've paused playing Eve for a couple of months, and when I returned to the game a few days ago, I noticed the picture in-game was flickering like hell. The FPS in-game was a whopping 7-8 . In station I reached ~50 FPS. My configuration had not changed, except for a new LCD monitor. I run WIN XP on a P4 (2.4 GHz) with 512 MB RAM. My graphics card is an MSI FX5600 (128 MB). This config gave me excellent FPS in the past. I noticed the CPU performance went up to 80 - 90% when I left the station. I have no large TSR programs running that could consume my processor power (or memory for that matter).
I am rather baffled, and would certainly apperciate some help, as the game is unplayable for me at the moment. |
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Bubba1977
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Posted - 2004.11.21 23:40:00 -
[131]
Nice tips. Worked for me! __________________________________________________
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Bubba1977
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Posted - 2004.11.21 23:40:00 -
[132]
Nice tips. Worked for me! __________________________________________________
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Harkus
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:43:00 -
[133]
Just a quick note for those of you who have Intel's Hyperthreading CPUs.
Turn it off.
This works wonders especially if you are running more than one client on your computer. I run 2 clients on mine and with HT on, EVE would "stutter" (read: simply wouldn't run smooth). Turning off HT smoothed out EVE incredibly.
Nice thread. Let's keep the tips going!
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Harkus
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:43:00 -
[134]
Just a quick note for those of you who have Intel's Hyperthreading CPUs.
Turn it off.
This works wonders especially if you are running more than one client on your computer. I run 2 clients on mine and with HT on, EVE would "stutter" (read: simply wouldn't run smooth). Turning off HT smoothed out EVE incredibly.
Nice thread. Let's keep the tips going!
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.11.25 18:13:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Harkus Just a quick note for those of you who have Intel's Hyperthreading CPUs.
Turn it off.
This works wonders especially if you are running more than one client on your computer. I run 2 clients on mine and with HT on, EVE would "stutter" (read: simply wouldn't run smooth). Turning off HT smoothed out EVE incredibly.
Nice thread. Let's keep the tips going!
Turning of HT will afaik only give a slight boost, nothing people will realy notice. And if running 2 clients at once i think its posible to set them to work on each their "cpu" in taskmanager. In not 100% sure though
/Brunis Another dog lifting its leg |
Brunis
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Posted - 2004.11.25 18:13:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Harkus Just a quick note for those of you who have Intel's Hyperthreading CPUs.
Turn it off.
This works wonders especially if you are running more than one client on your computer. I run 2 clients on mine and with HT on, EVE would "stutter" (read: simply wouldn't run smooth). Turning off HT smoothed out EVE incredibly.
Nice thread. Let's keep the tips going!
Turning of HT will afaik only give a slight boost, nothing people will realy notice. And if running 2 clients at once i think its posible to set them to work on each their "cpu" in taskmanager. In not 100% sure though
/Brunis Another dog lifting its leg |
Harkus
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Posted - 2004.11.26 04:37:00 -
[137]
Yes, you are correct about giving only a little boost. It's more for stability especially when running 2 EVE clients. I've tried designating each EVE client to use a different virtual CPU, but it only makes the system even more unstable.
I also tried some graphics settings and if you are running more than one client, it's wise to use only 16-bit colors and 16-bit Z-buffers. Multi-sampling (antialiasing) should be off. This will guarantee the highest fps for both clients.
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Harkus
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Posted - 2004.11.26 04:37:00 -
[138]
Yes, you are correct about giving only a little boost. It's more for stability especially when running 2 EVE clients. I've tried designating each EVE client to use a different virtual CPU, but it only makes the system even more unstable.
I also tried some graphics settings and if you are running more than one client, it's wise to use only 16-bit colors and 16-bit Z-buffers. Multi-sampling (antialiasing) should be off. This will guarantee the highest fps for both clients.
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.11.26 06:13:00 -
[139]
I dunno about the Exodus client, but turning off "sun is ocluded by ship" in Castor made it alot more stable for alot of people.
Have you tryed that?
/Brunis Another dog lifting its leg |
Brunis
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Posted - 2004.11.26 06:13:00 -
[140]
I dunno about the Exodus client, but turning off "sun is ocluded by ship" in Castor made it alot more stable for alot of people.
Have you tryed that?
/Brunis Another dog lifting its leg |
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Kardinaal
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Posted - 2004.11.26 13:33:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Kardinaal on 26/11/2004 13:37:01 After theKiller8's advice, I've checked for IRQ problems/sharing on my PC, and found out that my graphics card is on the same IRQ as my usb hub device. How do I turn the USB device on and off?
And are there tips on this thread that I should NOT do now the new patch is out?
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Kardinaal
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Posted - 2004.11.26 13:33:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Kardinaal on 26/11/2004 13:37:01 After theKiller8's advice, I've checked for IRQ problems/sharing on my PC, and found out that my graphics card is on the same IRQ as my usb hub device. How do I turn the USB device on and off?
And are there tips on this thread that I should NOT do now the new patch is out?
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kardinaal Edited by: Kardinaal on 26/11/2004 13:37:01 After theKiller8's advice, I've checked for IRQ problems/sharing on my PC, and found out that my graphics card is on the same IRQ as my usb hub device. How do I turn the USB device on and off?
And are there tips on this thread that I should NOT do now the new patch is out?
In the BIOS you should be able to find an option to turn of the USB hub somewhere.
They will all still help to give more FPS in Eve but the Exodus client have been greatly optimized so the options in this thread will probely not help much anymore.
/Brunis Another dog lifting its leg |
Brunis
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:30:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Kardinaal Edited by: Kardinaal on 26/11/2004 13:37:01 After theKiller8's advice, I've checked for IRQ problems/sharing on my PC, and found out that my graphics card is on the same IRQ as my usb hub device. How do I turn the USB device on and off?
And are there tips on this thread that I should NOT do now the new patch is out?
In the BIOS you should be able to find an option to turn of the USB hub somewhere.
They will all still help to give more FPS in Eve but the Exodus client have been greatly optimized so the options in this thread will probely not help much anymore.
/Brunis Another dog lifting its leg |
Jarril
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Posted - 2004.11.29 13:01:00 -
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This little tweak worked great for me since the Exodus patch, you guys try it and see if it makes a difference.
In the options menu, in the Window colour settings, turn off Window transparency by dragging the slider to the beginning. You can still make windows transparent by clicking the "Sticky" button at the top of a window and personally I think the solid colour look makes the GUI look far more attractive. It boosted my FPS by a fair amount. I'm currently running Eve with my Radeon 9700 Pro with Anti-aliasing enabled at around 35-40fps in space which is easily smooth enough for me.
Hope this helps.
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Jarril
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Posted - 2004.11.29 13:01:00 -
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This little tweak worked great for me since the Exodus patch, you guys try it and see if it makes a difference.
In the options menu, in the Window colour settings, turn off Window transparency by dragging the slider to the beginning. You can still make windows transparent by clicking the "Sticky" button at the top of a window and personally I think the solid colour look makes the GUI look far more attractive. It boosted my FPS by a fair amount. I'm currently running Eve with my Radeon 9700 Pro with Anti-aliasing enabled at around 35-40fps in space which is easily smooth enough for me.
Hope this helps.
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Angel Dido
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Posted - 2004.11.30 12:14:00 -
[147]
Is there a way to make pinned windows non-transparent? I really love to pin my windows, but i hate it that they are transparent
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Angel Dido
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Posted - 2004.11.30 12:14:00 -
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Is there a way to make pinned windows non-transparent? I really love to pin my windows, but i hate it that they are transparent
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Jarril
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Posted - 2004.12.01 11:09:00 -
[149]
Just don't pin them then...? They won;t move anywhere unless you drag them.
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Jarril
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Posted - 2004.12.01 11:09:00 -
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Just don't pin them then...? They won;t move anywhere unless you drag them.
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