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Bugszor
Caldari PodPal
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Posted - 2009.06.22 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Bugszor on 22/06/2009 18:58:07 Edited by: Bugszor on 22/06/2009 18:57:36 You guys should seriously stop b*tching..
There have been so many new things. wormholes, sleepers etc etc. you do understand that all this new stuff means the normal player has WAY more isk then months before?
you should open your eyes and see its just inflation.
if you dont like it. go pay the normal ammount of money for eve and stop b*tching. you get the abilitty to play the game for free. And still you b*tch that its too expensive? This is the only game i know of that does this.. give their players Free time to play.
Cant you see that CCP is giving you free gaming time? if you keep going on with yer lvl 4/5 missions.. or mining or just ratting in 0.0.. you can easily make 800 mill in 2 months. hell even in 1. so you cant say you cant make profit out of it either..
so wtf are you guys b*tching about.
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Takuma Mitsitashu
Caldari PodPal
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Posted - 2009.06.22 19:13:00 -
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i agree for a 100%
basicly what all the whiners are screaming is: boohoo i want free game time and i dont want to do anything for it!
its simple, you wanna play eve? then pay with real life money and keep it in mind of all your monthly cost or work for it in eve and buy plex/gtc with isk and accept the fact that other players that can afford to buy gtc for reselling are the ones that have the control over the pricing...
ccp will not do anything about this and to make it even more clear, 800 mil is still cheap for 60 days of gametime, divide 800 mil with 60 days and you come out at 13.3 mil a day, now i realize that some players arent online everyday but you dont have to earn 13 mil a day and then quit, YOU CAN GO ON AND DO ANOTHER MISSION (or whatever your way of income is)
prices will go up and i dont care for 1 bit cause i am one of those guys that buys gtc for reselling
let the emo whining begin
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Viresa
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Posted - 2009.06.22 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Viresa on 22/06/2009 20:01:16
--- WTB a 60 day GTC for Viresta, 650 mill---
I agree that it is normal some things will go up due to the things you mentioned, but there should be some type of control, this is not in game mechanics where scam is almost favored, this is a forum with rules and people expect some control, as stated in the forum rules.
let true demand and offer control the price of GTC, not anyone who gangs up with some friends to spam the forum with over priced fake sells and buys.
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Lord Jeprox
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Posted - 2009.06.22 20:01:00 -
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BTW GrandPa dont play toomuch EVE take care of ur Grandson first OKI too much Radiation can make u blind trust me it will not happen today or tom w8 until 6-8 yrs. and u will NYT NYT Grampy and dont get too muck adik in EVE maintain ur blood presure NYT NYT GRUMPS. |
Bugszor
Caldari PodPal
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Posted - 2009.06.22 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Jeprox BTW GrandPa dont play toomuch EVE take care of ur Grandson first OKI too much Radiation can make u blind trust me it will not happen today or tom w8 until 6-8 yrs. and u will NYT NYT Grampy and dont get too muck adik in EVE maintain ur blood presure NYT NYT GRUMPS.
Dude you fail. go troll somewhere else.. |
L0ck
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Posted - 2009.06.22 20:41:00 -
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It doesnt matter what anyone says about the GTC pricing. Someone just paid 35 dollars for that code, who is anyone to debate its worth in make believe internet-spaceship monies? If people dont like the pricing, pay with $ yourself. There are about as many ways to make isk as there are people playing it. missions, ratting, trade, invention, production, blah blah blah....
i have spoken |
Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.22 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: L0ck It doesnt matter what anyone says about the GTC pricing. Someone just paid 35 dollars for that code, who is anyone to debate its worth in make believe internet-spaceship monies? If people dont like the pricing, pay with $ yourself. There are about as many ways to make isk as there are people playing it. missions, ratting, trade, invention, production, blah blah blah....
i have spoken
this, "but i wanna play free WAAAAH"
60D GTC - shattared link |
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.22 21:29:00 -
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Timecode Bazaar is not the place for discussion. Moving to General Discussion.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.06.22 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Jeprox BTW GrandPa dont play toomuch EVE take care of ur Grandson first OKI too much Radiation can make u blind trust me it will not happen today or tom w8 until 6-8 yrs. and u will NYT NYT Grampy and dont get too muck adik in EVE maintain ur blood presure NYT NYT GRUMPS.
wut
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Andrest Disch
Amarr Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2009.06.22 21:37:00 -
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To put this theory to the test, we should make time cards non-resellable in game.
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Anslo
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Posted - 2009.06.22 23:27:00 -
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stop b*tching about us b*tching and lower the prices you slag money grubbing worm. |
Kiviar
Caldari Agent-Orange Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.06.22 23:35:00 -
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Clearly what you should do then is, spend a several thousand dollars on GTCs and force the market down by flooding it with cheaper GTCs, and then once you have crashed it, buy back all of your GTCs at a much lower price and make a profit.
Clearly this is a perfect plan, I shouldn't even be telling you this! |
Wacktopia
Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.06.23 00:04:00 -
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Anyone who spends more than 4 or 5 hours getting isk to pay for Gtc is diluded IMHO because it takes less Irl time to earn the $Çú to pay instead. If you're slaving away for hours or days to pay for ur acc then take a step back and think.
The only players who will really benefit from buying Gtc with isk would be hi profit makers I guess.
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captain skinback
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Posted - 2009.06.23 01:17:00 -
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the price of gtcs have been going up WAY above "inflation" because buying gtcs for isk has gotten more and more popular. i would expect the prices to go up a little because of this. but the prices now are just stupid compared to what i was pay for gtcs about a year ago. the worst part about it is allot of the people selling gtcs are the worst kind of carebears who cant be bothered to play the damn game. i have been told since the day i started eve that it's all about risk vs reward. the pvper may not get as much isk doing what he does compared to the guy in the faction fit golem but the rush of pvp and the killmail at the end is worth so much more than th isk per hour. when you buy a bunch of gtcs with real currency to sell for isk there is no risk since scamming gtcs is against the eula. at least the guy in the faction fit golem is at risk from ninja salvagers and suicide gankers. |
Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.23 05:55:00 -
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it will go all time up, becouse more and mkroe ppl are farming l4s |
Stella SGP
Oresome Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: captain skinback stuff
What is wrong with you? What does GTC price have to do with carebearing people? What is the economic growth index for eve since last year? What is the real rate of inflation suppose to be? Since you said it was WAY above.....(what)?
And if carebears run lvl 4 to make all that cash then shouldn't they belong to the group that is buying the GTCs rather then selling?
And if GTCs are at a stupid price to buy now, it means that now is a good time to cash in on it right?
And just because you engage in pew pew automatically makes you a better player then me? Even though you are the one who seems to be having isk problems? Are numbers on the killboard/an eve mail really so much more important then numbers in your wallet?
Do us all a little favor and either feed the pig 2 quarters a day when you return from school or try working 2-3 hours a month. |
Jed Torr
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Posted - 2009.06.23 07:58:00 -
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There is *real* demand (at least in-game) for PLEXes at 380-400 mil a pop. I do not care if the buyer is a speculator - speculators ensure that there is liquidity in the market and are actually a GOOD THING for a healthy market. They are the ones that undercut any obviously overpriced sell orders and the ones that instantly grab any underpriced sell orders.
Anyone selling a GTC even at 750 mil, let alone less than that is an idiot as you can get more by just turning it to two PLEXes and selling them in Jita. Straight up. To existing buy orders. Even counting the sales taxes. You can get even more if you just ensure you have the market skills to reduce your sell order costs to a minimum and listing yours - last I checked, sell orders were still over 400 mil a pop.
Either way, you get your ISKies, someone gets a PLEX. If it is a speculator and there are more sellers than buyers (speculator or not), that speculator loses ISK. More buyers and sellers there are in the market, larger the market becomes, making it harder and harder to influence the market.
Now if you are a buyer, all you can really do is either buy a GTC or PLEX at a price they are available at OR refuse to buy and just pay your subscription normally. This choice is the only say you have on the issue. - Not paying current prices? They will go down soon enough, assuming you are not the only one out there who decides not to buy. - Paying current prices? Then you are helping to maintain the current price point and reinforcing the fact that it is a fair price.
This game has too many people playing without any idea how free markets work. Crying that you want to WTB a GTC at 650 mil does not drive down the price, but it makes you look uneducated and silly. Nobody will sell to a "buy order" of 325mil per 30 days when there exists an apparently endless supply of existing buy orders on Jita market for over 370 mil per 30 days and someone is probably even buying off those 400mil sell orders as well - with the spread between buy and sell order coming mostly from the costs of placing a market order vs. buying/selling straight up to an existing market order. This is elementary stuff...
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.23 08:59:00 -
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People gain exorbitant amounts of isk in empire and want, in contrast, low prices on anything. That's a common mentality in a harsh capitalism system: Have more isk, spend less. Greed and meanness are human nature.
But there is one mechanic that sorts everything: Supply and demand.
"If desire for goods increases while its availability decreases, its price rises. On the other hand, if availability of the good increases and the desire for it decreases, the price comes down."
Hamid Hosseini |
RangerT
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:31:00 -
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Quote: Cant you see that CCP is giving you free gaming time? if you keep going on with yer lvl 4/5 missions.. or mining or just ratting in 0.0.. you can easily make 800 mill in 2 months. hell even in 1. so you cant say you cant make profit out of it either..
1. Its not free someone payed for it with real money 2. 13.5 mill isk a day takes several hours a day to make 3. If your mining in highsec and cant get on right after DT, good luck finding enough veldspar to mine. 4. ratting in lowsec/nulsec unless your in a cruiser or smaller some group of cowards will hunt you down, blow your ship up and maybe even your pod.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:33:00 -
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the prices are too high !!! |
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Drenan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:37:00 -
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The gankbears can't have it both ways.
If eve is a pvp game why do they complain about the ability to buy isk? This fuels pvp.
If eve 'success' depended only on isk they might have a point, but eve actually depends more on sp/fitout and gang structure than isk.
Why is this still even being discussed?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.23 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: RangerT 2. 13.5 mill isk a day takes several hours a day to make
Several? As in "one"?
Quote: 3. If your mining in highsec and cant get on right after DT, good luck finding enough veldspar to mine.
No luck needed — just move out of the system everyone else is in. There's plenty of it out there in the EU primetime (DT + 8h)… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2009.06.23 13:16:00 -
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Not everyone is from the EU. Try American Primetime which is 8 hours after EU primetime.
As for the price of GTCs, those calling people who buy the gtc/plex with isk had to spend time getting that isk. Seriously the hours spent gathering the isk for a plex card is outrageously out of wack with RL time spent gaining the $30 for the plex cards.
It depends on what minimum wage is where you live. Out here in the U.S., in California, its $8 or so. So its roughly 4 hours of work in RL to buy a 2x30day plex cards to sell in game.
The person paying isk for those GTCs needs to earn that isk. If they are doing L4s they probably average 10-15mil an hour. At 15mil an hour that is 26.666666666666666666666666666667 hours a month to buy a plex card. That means the plex user is spending 6.66665 times more time making isk then the seller spent earning the RL cash.
Even if the plex users has multiple accounts they are still in the same pit as before since they need multple plex cards. So there is logically no way for the plex user to overcome the ratio of RL hours to In game hours to get a plex.
As for the idea that they added wormholes, wormholes are not constant. They have extreme risks involved. The rats themselves can be a serious risk even to those with high SP and solid BSes and fits. Wormhole loot's value is based upon the players. So what might be lucrative today is tommorrows trash. So just because they added a new source of income does not mean that the player can also take advantage of that as well as their old source at the same time, much less without risk.
As for the climbing prices, its not just about fanfair. prices will continue to rise just as they did since you could get 3 months for 400mil. Now we are looking at 1 month for 400mil. The value of isk is continuing to drop even though the rate in which a player can normally make it stays the same. Eventually the price of GTC/plex cards will reach a breaking point where the effort needed to get one is out of reach for even the most hardcore isk grinders.
Basically the only way to look at it is if the game is now a job for you to stay subbed or not? If you are spending more time grinding isk just so you can stay subbed then you spend having fun in game, its time to leave. I don't mean "STFU N GFTO!" i mean that you are not having fun and are getting next to nothing in a trade with someone else who is going to have ****tons more fun then you. When things get to that point, you are basically a slave. SP,ships,stuff, means nothing if you cant have fun with it.
So if you find yourself at this point then maybe its time to liquidate some of your assets in game and let the clock run out. Maybe if enough do so the demand for gtcs will drop hard enough that you might be able to rejoin at another point and start using plexes again but still have fun. Theres other things to do other then make someone tons of isk for the same RL money they probably blow on coffee or beer during the week or even less!
games...just aren't that important.
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StationSpinner
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Posted - 2009.06.23 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Not everyone is from the EU. Try American Primetime which is 8 hours after EU primetime.
I have identified your problem |
BiggestT
Caldari Oz Space Diggers
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Posted - 2009.06.23 16:59:00 -
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I remember selling a 30 day gtc (cost 20 au dollars) for 164 mill in '07 =) I also remember people whining then because they used to be 120 mill.
Fact: People will whine about prices no matter the cost, nuff said. |
Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.07.24 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT I remember selling a 30 day gtc (cost 20 au dollars) for 164 mill in '07 =) I also remember people whining then because they used to be 120 mill.
Fact: People will whine about prices no matter the cost, nuff said.
This... You want to play for free... give me the iskies to justify me paying for your account and shut up
--------------- The Real Audrey Bitoni is hot This Capcha Sucks and is ineffective
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 21:45:00 -
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If you look @ the 2 contracts I have up, you basically get 60 days for 620mill .. don't know if its really about the PLEX's as much as resale value.
Buy low, Sell high
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
i was thinking earlier about corpses...
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