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Alsinar
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Posted - 2009.06.23 03:23:00 -
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I have been playing Eve for only a couple of months now and all I have really experienced is some leve 3 mission running and a whole lot of mining. As of tomorrow I will have an alt with all the learning skills in place and I was trying to decide on a cap ship to work toward. Sort of my little project over the next few months. Something I can learn and earn isk for as I go.
But as the title says, I'm a total Eve Pvp rookie. So far I've been looking at the Dreads and Carriers as something I would love to fly but I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on them? Which has a higher demand with proper Pvp Corps/Alliances? What sort roles could I expect if I picked one or the other?
Any advice, feedback or whatever would be greatly appreciated. |
Hurtado Soneka
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.23 03:26:00 -
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Your project will be roughly a 2 year undertaking.
In any event, the carrier is more useful but all caps are a bore to drive.
As for your PvP, join one of the militias and jump into FW, perfect way for you to get trained up, I for one would recomend the gallente faction as they have a lot of catching up to do and could use more pilots |
Alsinar
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Posted - 2009.06.23 03:34:00 -
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The character I have made is Minmatar and yeah.. I have no idea what you mean when you say FW.
Two years? Ouch! Almost seems better to grind out the ISK and buy someone off the bazzare. It will take that long to get a good cap pilot? |
Hurtado Soneka
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.23 03:47:00 -
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FW is Faction Warfare
Why do you want to pilot a cap? The fun increases the smaller a ship gets in general ^^ |
Alsinar
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Posted - 2009.06.23 03:49:00 -
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I suppose because they look big and mean?
I have heard that the quickest way into Pvp is to fly an interceptor. Is that right? |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.23 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alsinar I suppose because they look big and mean?
I have heard that the quickest way into Pvp is to fly an interceptor. Is that right?
Not really - the quickest way to PvP is to buy 10 frigates and fit them all the same - for Minmatar, I'd suggest Rifters.
Step 2 is to take one out into low sec and get into a fight......then return and get another ship, rinse and repeat until you win a fight, or need more ships. Then do it all over again. |
Hidden Snake
Caldari More-Cowbell
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Posted - 2009.06.23 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
Originally by: Alsinar I suppose because they look big and mean?
I have heard that the quickest way into Pvp is to fly an interceptor. Is that right?
Not really - the quickest way to PvP is to buy 10 frigates and fit them all the same - for Minmatar, I'd suggest Rifters.
Step 2 is to take one out into low sec and get into a fight......then return and get another ship, rinse and repeat until you win a fight, or need more ships. Then do it all over again.
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.23 07:17:00 -
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If you want to be seen as a serious PVP player by 0.0 alliances, train to fly a gun battleship (Apoc/Rokh/Mega/Tempest), preferably with T2 guns. This is because in EVE, battleships are the key ship necessary to protect or invade space.
As battleships take a long time to train up, many players also take a short training detour to interceptors, cruisers and battlecruisers to have something to PVP in while they train up their battleship. These smaller ships can function as support craft to protect battleships in battleship fleets. They are also useful for smaller faster gangs where battleships are too slow.
My experience anyway.
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oodin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.23 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
Originally by: Alsinar I suppose because they look big and mean?
I have heard that the quickest way into Pvp is to fly an interceptor. Is that right?
Not really - the quickest way to PvP is to buy 10 frigates and fit them all the same - for Minmatar, I'd suggest Rifters.
Step 2 is to take one out into low sec and get into a fight......then return and get another ship, rinse and repeat until you win a fight, or need more ships. Then do it all over again.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.06.23 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok If you want to be seen as a serious PVP player by 0.0 alliances, train to fly a gun battleship (Apoc/Rokh/Mega/Tempest), preferably with T2 guns. This is because in EVE, battleships are the key ship necessary to protect or invade space.
As battleships take a long time to train up, many players also take a short training detour to interceptors, cruisers and battlecruisers to have something to PVP in while they train up their battleship. These smaller ships can function as support craft to protect battleships in battleship fleets. They are also useful for smaller faster gangs where battleships are too slow.
My experience anyway.
Also, there's a lot of great PVP had outside of the large 0.0 alliances, arguable even better than what they normally offer... So unless you really want to be a small cog in a giant engine you might want to reconsider the big alliance bit alltogether. Small gangs and solo PVP in smallish ships is the "endgame" for many veterans (instead of sitting in a Dread shooting at a POS), be it in lowsec or null.
Many PVPers skip BSes for a long time, or just train something like a RR Domi that can be somewhat effective with less than maxed skills (without T2 guns etc, for 0.0 and sniping you need more skills in, like those T2 guns)
The T1 frigate advice is sound, and T2 frigates are indeed great fun when you start to get the hang of it, as are T1 and T2 cruisers and Battlecruisers.
And indeed, stick to the T1 frigs until you feel that you "understand" PVP and hopefully start getting some kills. Might take a while... ;)
One logical ship progression would be T1 frig -> AFs/ Interceptors OR T1 Cruisers(cheaper to lose) -> T1 BCs -> T2 Cruisers OR BS etc.
I wouldn't worry about capitals before you have maxed out a racial BS and HAC at least... Me, personally, I will probably train most of the sub- BS ships in the game before worrying about capitals unless I feel I need a Carrier for personal logistics reasons... (I already do Gallente BS decently, might go for Amarr as well if they stay FOTM for long) --- WOLFY is recruiting!
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.23 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/06/2009 09:38:35 Troll rating: 2/10
Your OP was pretty obvious ("I've never PvPed before, which of the following insanely expensive and skill-demanding ships should I pick to start with, two years from now once I have the skills?"), but you get some points for getting some people to take the bait in spite of this problem. -----------
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.06.23 09:42:00 -
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Troll rating for Merin 1/10. So what if it's a troll and not a genuine new carebear with delusions? The "learn with T1 frigs ****" can be repeated ad nauseaum and someone will still see it for the 1st time. --- WOLFY is recruiting!
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.06.23 10:47:00 -
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I guess some people are so cynical, all they can see are trolls.
Like Raimo said, even if the poster is not a serious question asker, other people who visit the thread will be, and therefore answering these questions is by no means being gullible, as Merin seems to think.
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:22:00 -
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For the benefit of players new to PVP in EVE.
3 Key types of PVP in EVE 1. POS/territorial warfare: destroy or protect player owned stations to gain or defend space in 0.0 and destroy enemy fleets trying to stop you. (key ship type: T2 gun BS, capitals if you have the patience) 2. Fast roaming gang warfare: fly around system to system looking for a favorable fight. If you find good odds, attack. If not, run. (key ship type: HACs) 3. Cloaked Warfare: travel or camped cloaked until you find a nice target and favorable odds. Then attack and destroy it, cloak and run away. (key ship type: Force Recons, stealth Bombers)
Of course, there are many many other types of PVP in EVE and many different other ship types that can be used in the 3 above. I will explain in my 999999 page guide one day if I ever get to finishing it. |
Alsinar
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Posted - 2009.06.23 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Alsinar on 23/06/2009 15:54:53
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/06/2009 09:38:35 Troll rating: 2/10
Your OP was pretty obvious ("I've never PvPed before, which of the following insanely expensive and skill-demanding ships should I pick to start with, two years from now once I have the skills?"), but you get some points for getting some people to take the bait in spite of this problem.
I understand that some people are seriously paranoid and a bit bitter, but no I'm not actually a troll.
As said, I have been playing as a miner and currently fly with a Hulk in one account and the Orca on the other.
I suppose before deciding on a ship I could focus on weapon and rep skills for the time being.
I've taken some advice and kitted out a few basic rifters since they seem fairly cheap and my alt still does not have any impants to speak of. I guess I dont have much to lose in that respect. |
Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.06.23 16:57:00 -
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Good advise here so far.
I would just add that a line of thinking that I have seen newer players fall into is that bigger is better. This is not necessarily so. I would rather have a well skilled frig pilot in my fleet than a poorly skilled cruiser or BS pilot.
Also regarding dreads and carriers. Dreads are only really useful for shooting POS and other caps, and carriers are 9 times in 10 glorified haulers. I have had a carrier alt for a bit now, and I have only been in one real fight with it. The majority of the time it is used for hauling my stuff and my corp mate's stuff around eve. Now, there are some groups that use cap ships pretty extensively, however, unless you are in one of those groups you will likely just have an expensive toy that doesn't get much use. |
Cat Molina
Minmatar Intransigent
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Posted - 2009.06.23 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Cat Molina on 23/06/2009 20:13:50
Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
Originally by: Alsinar I suppose because they look big and mean?
I have heard that the quickest way into Pvp is to fly an interceptor. Is that right?
Not really - the quickest way to PvP is to buy 10 frigates and fit them all the same - for Minmatar, I'd suggest Rifters.
Step 2 is to take one out into low sec and get into a fight......then return and get another ship, rinse and repeat until you win a fight, or need more ships. Then do it all over again.
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This (again). Will also second the "bigger is not always better" remark above. I've been in the game for 2.5 years and I still enjoy hunting lowsec in a frig more than anything else... even though I can fly all the other ship classes well.
And frigates are cheap for good reason; these are the craft you're supposed to learn to PvP in. That way you don't throw interceptors away needlessly during the learning process.
PvP can be broken down into three distinct modes: solo, small gang, and fleet/blob. Of the three, I've found solo teaches combat skills far more efficiently than the other modes... if only because when it goes balls up there's no wondering where the blame lies.
EDIT: Christ CCP! Sort out the forums!!! Attempted to post this six times. Succeeded only to find my message cut in half. |
Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.06.23 22:36:00 -
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contact me, Acronis Themis, Wraithstorm or Bud Good, we will help you out with your pvp.
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Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.24 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
Originally by: Alsinar I suppose because they look big and mean?
I have heard that the quickest way into Pvp is to fly an interceptor. Is that right?
Not really - the quickest way to PvP is to buy 10 frigates and fit them all the same - for Minmatar, I'd suggest Rifters.
Step 2 is to take one out into low sec and get into a fight......then return and get another ship, rinse and repeat until you win a fight, or need more ships. Then do it all over again.
I did this, lost a rifter to another rifter, became friends with the pilot and made several yarring kills together and had a great time.
Nothing breaks the ice more than a 200mm Autocannon |
Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Darthewok on 24/06/2009 03:20:43 What EVE lacks is gladiator-style PVP. 2 pilots or 2 teams of pilots put some ISK into a pot, meet at a time and place with no interference. Winner takes the pot and all the loot.
Would be terrific for settling arguments over who has the best fit and skills. And make for great discussion and tactics.
There could be a division for new players. Voila! Instant easy access to PVP for all. The real aces could actually live off their winnings - a pure PVP source of income. |
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Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 24/06/2009 03:20:43 What EVE lacks is gladiator-style PVP. 2 pilots or 2 teams of pilots put some ISK into a pot, meet at a time and place with no interference. Winner takes the pot and all the loot.
Would be terrific for settling arguments over who has the best fit and skills. And make for great discussion and tactics.
There could be a division for new players. Voila! Instant easy access to PVP for all. The real aces could actually live off their winnings - a pure PVP source of income.
I don't think there should be a built in mechanic for this, but if you really want to see it I say go and make it happen. Players running tournaments are not unheard of and this really just seems like a variation of that. There have also been fight club types of things in the past, the whole Red vs Blue thing comes to mind.
Apart from that there is always sisi, can't making a living on TQ by it, but it is a good venue for putting together "what ifs". |
Shinjo Bajahnhosuu
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.06.24 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Shinjo Bajahnhosuu on 24/06/2009 22:35:40 Edited by: Shinjo Bajahnhosuu on 24/06/2009 22:34:16 Here's something I've been reading lately that's got me gearing up for some solo or small team pvp:
http://www.rifterdrifter.com/rifter-pvp-guide/
As said already, buy 10 rifters and go get them blown up. Buy 10 more and then get them blown up too. But by that time, hopefully it takes longer to get them blown up and you've started learning a thing or two.
I've got 10 Rifters sitting in my hanger waiting another day or two so that I can fit T2 guns .. then .. me go pew pew.
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Waci
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.25 00:10:00 -
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Two bits of advice from a rookie: Don't use implants for the sake of your wallet unless you are going to be away from pvp for over a week or so.
Join a nice pvp corp, it's a great way to get started and get advice.
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.25 01:32:00 -
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1 word. Rifter.
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