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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.24 17:54:00 -
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the Deimos is my first hac. what types of targets should i be going after? will the Deimos be able to take out BC and BS targets if i can stay under there fall off?
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 24/06/2009 18:03:16 Arguably, you should know such things if you got skills for a HAC, have you not flown any Thoraxes?
Tho, the Diemost is not good imo, its just an very expencive Brutix.
DM provids lots of up close dps, or as a rail sniper hac for gallente, but its not a nano ship that can go under turrets of BSs and such with any ease.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Logan Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 24/06/2009 18:03:16 Arguably, you should know such things if you got skills for a HAC, have you not flown any Thoraxes?
Tho, the Diemost is not good imo, its just an very expencive Brutix.
DM provids lots of up close dps, or as a rail sniper hac for gallente, but its not a nano ship that can go under turrets of BSs and such with any ease.
well thinks for your input now next time you post try being a little less condescending im sure you with all your god like powers where once new at different ship types and came to the forms to better prepare your self
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:15:00 -
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You basicly buying a slightly improved Thorax with more speed and a bit more gank/falloff that is harder to kite.
The Targets are exactly the same as with a Thorax, trying to take down resonable fitted BCs\BS will end in a losemail, simlar to a Thorax.
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Duke Starbuckington on 24/06/2009 18:24:59 Get an Ishtar or crosstrain for another races HACs. |
Traderboz
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:27:00 -
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What does it mean to get under something's falloff? That makes no sense to me. You want to get under their tracking, not their falloff. Getting under their falloff just means they can hit you for 100% damage if tracking is not an issue.
Anyways, Diemost is fun to fly but an expensive loss (and they are lost easily). I know people that like them for ratting, and I imagine they do decently at that. Fit-wise, you generally just want to fit for damage. A full rack of the largest blasters you can fit, damage mods and of course a MWD. They make pretty poor snipers, but you can use them for that in a pinch. |
Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.06.24 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Airron
Originally by: Lindsay Logan Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 24/06/2009 18:03:16 Arguably, you should know such things if you got skills for a HAC, have you not flown any Thoraxes?
Tho, the Diemost is not good imo, its just an very expencive Brutix.
DM provids lots of up close dps, or as a rail sniper hac for gallente, but its not a nano ship that can go under turrets of BSs and such with any ease.
well thinks for your input now next time you post try being a little less condescending im sure you with all your god like powers where once new at different ship types and came to the forms to better prepare your self
Btw, try and do a search as well, the forum is littred with such topics. I have been hangin around thses forums for the better part of a year. I have seen lots and lotd of posts about the same ships and topics over and over and over and over.... and so forth. And a search will get you a long way to start figuring out the ship.
Aslo. I was new once to PvP, but the thing is, if you really got to ask such things about a HAC, you show little to no expereince in PvP (no offence).
I learned PvP the hard way, actually going out there and testing stuff, came back beaten, tweaked my setups, and out again. Rince and repeat. But this process is best done in T1 ships since you will loose them. A guy going straight into T2 will loose the T2 often in the begining. And one can easily make a few mock setups of any ship in EFT, and thus judge it by these stats, not only tank and dps, but agility, ranges, velocities, what functionality it has and so forth.
Doing so with the Diemost will reveal that its kinda just like a Thorax/Brutix (tho the difference is that it can use rails to snipe in hac gangs as I said, but very little else). Thus one can grad a T1 cheap counterpart first and test it, see how it handles and get a feel for it.
I might sound condecending, but I like stating my points directly, I don't care for fluff and kind loving words.
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NeoNeTiC
LOCKDOWN. Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.24 19:13:00 -
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Didn't read the thread but if you plan on engaging turret ships, without a buddy heavily tracking disrupting, the other ship will hit you. I also suggest flying a cheaper and insurable Brutix. It's great fun and performs as well.
If you refuse to fly a BC go for a Thorax or Vexor and buffer them - if stuff hits you regardless of your attempt to stay under his turrets, the loss is much more bearable.
Should you still desire to fly a Deimos, consider selling it to buy an Ishtar - it's great fun and much more versatile and survivable.
In other words: Don't bother with the Deimos.
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Eka Lawrencia
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.24 20:07:00 -
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To know who will be primary is an advantage. Deimos is high risk, and CCP knows it, look at the Myrmidon description. Get protection, and all will be well. |
Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.24 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Davinel Lulinvega on 24/06/2009 20:10:12
Originally by: Eka Lawrencia To know who will be primary is an advantage. Deimos is high risk, and CCP knows it, look at the Myrmidon description. Get protection, and all will be well.
Stack your gang with diemosts, curses, and rooks, they won't even know who to primary!
Edit: throw in some logistics too |
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Tongxuemen
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Posted - 2009.06.24 20:28:00 -
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Deimos are always primaried in a gang, and are generally glorified Rax's. Ishtars are much better imo. Gotta have good drone skills first tho.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.24 20:34:00 -
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Just to be clear, being an instant primary does not make a ship bad. It just makes it very expensive to fly regularly.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.24 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Airron on 24/06/2009 20:41:15 can any one recommend a Ishtar set up? i was looking around Battle clinic but the most recent one is over a year old.
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it will most likely be used for 0.0 gangs and gate camps.
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Tongxuemen
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Posted - 2009.06.24 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Just to be clear, being an instant primary does not make a ship bad. It just makes it very expensive to fly regularly.
Well if the OP is making posts like his first one, I think being primaried will mean a whole lot more to him. Never said being primaried made it a bad ship. |
Wannabehero
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2009.06.24 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 24/06/2009 20:41:15 can any one recommend a Ishtar set up? i was looking around Battle clinic but the most recent one is over a year old.
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it will most likely be used for 0.0 gangs and gate camps.
Those require very different fits
For a roaming gang you will want speed and agility, then DPS and tank. For Camps you want DPS, scan resolution, and range
The ishtar can be fit many different ways.
For gangs I've seen alot of
Highs 3x Whatever (usually either 200mm Rails, or Autocannons) 2x Small Energy Neut II
Mids MWD Disruptor Small Injector LSE II Invuln Field II
Lows 3x Nanofiber II 1x DCU II 1x Whatever (usually a PDS II, or sensor backup back in the day)
This is a roaming gang ishtar, fast, agile, high DPS from Drones. Stays out of web range, skirting the edge of warp disruptor range.
Many variations are possible, switching out the shield tank for tracking disruptors is a possible choice (can replace with a moderate armor tank, though nothing amazing). Also some players dual armor rep their ishtars (eats up tons of cap booster charges), and have claimed great success.
For camps a sentry ishtar is gonna be your bread and butter Armor tank in the lows Two omnidirectionals and three sensor boosters in the mids whatever you like in the highs Garde II's and Bouncer II's for drones --
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.06.25 01:17:00 -
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Get a Brutix, or an Ishtar.
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Sir Erighan
The Executioners Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.06.25 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Erighan on 25/06/2009 02:31:00 [Deimos, Dual SAR] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Anti-Explosive Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
640dps / 20k ehp / 190 dps rep (expensive, but if you want cheap fly a Thorax)
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[Deimos, 250 Rails] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Sensor Booster II Optical Tracking Computer I
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot]
Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Valkyrie II x5
477dps with drones / 372dps guns only / ehp? who cares. Can swap SB II for a LSE II if you want minimal shield tank. Obviously, not as good as Zealot, but if you can't fly Amarr it will make do for HAC sniper fleets.
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