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Kyo Makamoto
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.27 05:25:00 -
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It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games.
source: Article
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.06.27 05:30:00 -
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Well, that guy in Australia must be a troll.
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Xaa
Minmatar House Arrakis
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Posted - 2009.06.27 05:37:00 -
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Australia: the next China.
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fanilkill
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Posted - 2009.06.27 05:40:00 -
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I seen nothing in there about banning online games. From what i was reading it looks like there going to ban you from downloading them. There not going to ban you from buying the CD. That way if your under 15 you can't buy and down load the game with out mom or dad knowing. You would have to ask your parents to take you to the store to buy it, that gives them a chance to see what it is your playing. I don't like the idea but then again i don't live there.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.06.27 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Makamoto It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games that are rated greater than 15+.
source: Article
Fixed and bolded the important part. So basically the vast majority of games including eve will still be accessable. If there is any major resistance its from the rockstar games type of developers who quite honestly needed an official biatch smack to the pavement long ago.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Kyo Makamoto
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.27 05:49:00 -
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tl;dr version:
Quote: Mark Newton, an ISP engineer and internet filtering critic, said the move to extend the filtering to computer games would place a cloud over online-only games such as World of Warcraft and Second Life, which aren't classified in Australia due to their online nature.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games that are rated greater than 15+.
source: Article
Fixed and bolded the important part. So basically the vast majority of games including eve will still be accessable. If there is any major resistance its from the rockstar games type of developers who quite honestly needed an official biatch smack to the pavement long ago.
You fail to see the bigger picture.
Censorship in any form should be illegal. Parents should be held accountable for their negligence. If parents aren't responsible enough to handle their own children or teach them right from wrong, they should either not have children or they should be taken away.
No excuses as to this either. Everything comes down to choices. The majority of mankind is unintelligent and as such chooses poorly. They deserve to be punished as a master would punish its dog. Most parents don't supervise their kids then blame everyone else for their own negligence. It's like a gun owner blaming the gun for murdering his wife when it was the gun owner that lost his temper and pulled the trigger. And yet this story continues to repeat all around me, on the news, everyday. It never ends.
As to what I meant about censorship and how it will be abused, there are businesses, and opposition leaders for political parties that have websites on the latest censorship list. This isn't just in Australia but Germany as well. All the progress that has been made through globalization is on the way to being undone, a country at a time. It's starts with censorship, removal of individual liberties, and growing government and corporate corruption until we are essentially going completely backwards.
Greed is the primary factor. Power is the other factor.
Humanity is on its way to a new dark age if the younger generations don't wake the **** up and take power of our countries back. Get this filth out of office. |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.27 06:13:00 -
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America is next, than Europe.
It's all part of the grand scheme of control of the masses and the NWO.
Be prepared for big brother to come knocking soon because your dog farted outside and you need to pay tax on the CO2 or methane it released.
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.06.27 06:27:00 -
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Big brother double plus good. |
Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.06.27 06:54:00 -
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While the whole situation is a little ludicrous I think there might be a bit of an over reaction. From the regulation in question, under schedule 7.
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Under Schedule 7, prohibited content includes content that has been classified or is likely to be classified: RC (refused classification) X18+ R18+ unless it is subject to a restricted access system MA15+ and is provided on a commercial basis (i.e. for a fee) unless it is subject to a restricted access system.
The point to note here is the inclusion of explicit reference to restricted access systems. It is pretty easy to argue that since (most) online games require a valid credit card to register and that playing the games requires registration there shouldn't be any real issue.
However, there is still the problem that Australia really does need an R18 rating for computer games and is an issue that the senator in question seems intent on ignoring.
So if you want to send a message please send a polite and well thought out and written email or fax to Senator Conroy. Being impolite or writing something that makes you sound like a ******ed chimpanzee banging at a keyboard (in other words, if you write like you are writing to an online forum) it will only harm the cause.
Contact details are here Senator Conroy |
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Kessiaan
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:04:00 -
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From the article, it sounds like some crazy overprotective parent type in a high place is trying to stop Australians from downloading games not suitable for people under 15.
They can block the main download site for EvE but everyone will just use mirrors. People who play EvE tend to be much more computer savvy than mainstream folk, I doubt this would be anything more than a trifling inconvenience.
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Jukhtress Mein
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:07:00 -
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Every night, every night.
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Chereadenine Zakalwe
Caldari Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:21:00 -
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OMG OMG!!! First we contend with having downtime during peak play time..Now there gonna banz us!! Are we really that L33T..
C`mon folks..we march on Canberra tonight!!!
ô您
Telling somebody you love them is like firing first in a dual. Your screwed if you miss them.. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:35:00 -
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Quote: Censorship in any form should be illegal
So child ****ography should be freely accessible? Yes I know the argument is used to often, but i get kinda bored with all the people saying everything should be allowed because it is the internet. And no i cant agree with this law, but like it or not, the internet needs to be regulated. |
F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games that are rated greater than 15+.
source: Article
Fixed and bolded the important part. So basically the vast majority of games including eve will still be accessable. If there is any major resistance its from the rockstar games type of developers who quite honestly needed an official biatch smack to the pavement long ago.
Online content isn't rated in most any game anywhere, because it's "subject to change". This is an important part of the proposed law, because, since they're using the "think of the children" defense, they can go after unrated content and claim it's rated 15+ (or whatever the other local standards are, and they'd be right) so they can block any online game because they talk about real world things (and a lot of juvenile stuff like ***s, Jews, and all that which the more thoughtful outgrew before they were 10, also boobies and other nasty parts of the body which are the providence of Santa).
So there is reason to be concerned, because those who want to censor pretty much anything will use the seemingly most inconsequential part of a law to exploit their position if given the chance. |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:47:00 -
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This isn't good I have some australians in my corp :(.
Hopefully this doesn't pass, stupid governments butting in where they shouldn't.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Kyo Makamoto
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:51:00 -
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Quote: So child ****ography should be freely accessible? Yes I know the argument is used to often, but i get kinda bored with all the people saying everything should be allowed because it is the internet. And no i cant agree with this law, but like it or not, the internet needs to be regulated.
Child pron is illegal - everywhere in the world. Any such content MUST be on a server somewhere. Ergo: shut the server down and take the owner to court. There is no reason to ban the IP (which any half-intelligent computer savvy person can get around). There must be a lot of people in high places that want to avoid this.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:55:00 -
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I'm not condoning the action just pointing out that its not a global ban on online games like the op seemed to claim. What the future holds is up to the australians and how they vote next election or in any lobbies they put into the political machine. Tbh just making an 18+ rating would probably solve the whole issue with the minimum of fuss but again thats up to the people who elect the people who make the laws.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Selia Evrion
Gallente Night-Stalkerz Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:56:00 -
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The Australian Government is never going to ban online games.
And they can do all they want to ban sites selling violent games, but you know what that's simply going to lead to? An increase in piracy.
Wow my government is amazing. Still, it's better than having the American government. Barely.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Selia Evrion Wow my government is amazing. Still, it's better than having the American government. Barely.
Ours is getting better it just takes alot of time to change the course of a countries inertia. We have all that inertia built up from the cold war that has yet to bleed competely away. This new government that obama brought in almoast competely severed the ties to the old cold war regimes so as he stated change is a coming and the rich corporations that were used to getting billions from an in pocket sympathetic government are going to be howling like banshees when the feed trough gets cut off. Yes things are a changin indeed and for the better.
Meh superderail. |
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:03:00 -
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Quote: Child pron is illegal - everywhere in the world. Any such content MUST be on a server somewhere. Ergo: shut the server down and take the owner to court. There is no reason to ban the IP (which any half-intelligent computer savvy person can get around). There must be a lot of people in high places that want to avoid this.
Welcome to the internet, you clearly show you dont have a clue about it. Also not a clue about the world, there are plenty of countries with internet where they dont give a crap about what you are hosting as long as you are paying. |
Talosh Min'thor
Gallente Min'thor Holdings
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kessiaan ... it sounds like some crazy overprotective parent type in a high place...
Nice description of our president... God, I hate him... |
Kyo Makamoto
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:12:00 -
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[Quote] Welcome to the internet, you clearly show you dont have a clue about it. Also not a clue about the world, there are plenty of countries with internet where they dont give a crap about what you are hosting as long as you are paying.
You sir, have no idea what you are talking about:
Linkage
Quote: The Falcon case illustrates the international nature of the child-**** infrastructure. The IP addresses of the child-**** sites led investigators to servers operated by Rackspace Managed Hosting, based in San Antonio, Texas. Regpay was a Rackspace customer; Rackspace itself has not been implicated. Using search warrants, investigators obtained copies of the hard drives on those servers, and they hit the jackpot: The electronic records of 100,000 transactions conducted in the first six months of 2003, including credit-card information and other data that could be traced back to individual subscribers. "That's where we turned over the leaves," Cantor says. In tracking down individual consumers of the child ****ography, Falcon investigators put a priority on going after those who are in frequent contact with children, including a grade-school teacher, a pediatrician, a minister at an all-girls school, and a camp counselor. The latest suspect: a high-school social-studies teacher in Buffalo, N.Y., arrested Feb. 3 and alleged to have stored more than 400 child-**** images on his home computer.
It is estimated that over 50% of child pron sites are on servers in the USA.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:17:00 -
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And where exactly did i deny that? You sir, fail at reading.
However if you would remove it all from there, they will pop up in new places. And now i dont say it shouldnt be a high priority to kill servers hosting it, but in the end you just would keep alot left (especially because american servers would just move to other places). So either you are going to carpet bomb datacenters in other countries, or you block it. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:34:00 -
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See it from the brigth side, maybe this will stop the "Move downtime" threads that pop up several times a week. |
Kingnuts
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: AkRoYeR America is next, than Europe.
It's all part of the grand scheme of control of the masses and the NWO.
Be prepared for big brother to come knocking soon because your dog farted outside and you need to pay tax on the CO2 or methane it released.
NWO is the best NWO...wait, theres a knock at the door. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.27 09:39:00 -
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dear Australia,
WTF mate?
yours truly Chainsaw Plankton |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 27/06/2009 11:13:41 In France it is getting worse.
In two months, LOPPSI 2 will apply the filtering like Australia. For the moment, at end of July, Hadopi 2 will be done before.
So in Hadopi 2, if you "are > suspected < to have failed to your obligation to apply security measures on your internet access", you will have a fine of 1500€ maximum, and your internet access will be suspended for 6 months maximum (suspended, but you have the obligation to continue to pay this access, that you can't use. It is in the law ).
To compare, you would be sued because you didn't have plexiglas on the windows of your house and didn't build your house with the most solid concrete blocks in the world .
I have to admit that I criticized Bush, but I wouldn't do it if I know that we would have a maniaco-fascist dwarf. It is not really better... |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:21:00 -
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A more correct analogy would be that you use a car without a steering wheel and kill everyone near you. If your lack of security on your computer would have only been your problem, then your analogy would be correct. However your lack of security results in us getting spam mails. |
ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games that are rated greater than 15+.
source: Article
Fixed and bolded the important part. So basically the vast majority of games including eve will still be accessable.
read again games like eve isnt rated at all due to it being a online game
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:44:00 -
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dont worry i asked him wtf will happen to online games well maybe not in those words but you get the idea also what will happen to the patch's if online games are blocked -------------------- This sig was awesome but needs more EvE related content. - Zymurgist |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:51:00 -
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Pretty sure eve is rated since it was sold in boxes again.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 27/06/2009 11:56:10
Originally by: Furb Killer A more correct analogy would be that you use a car without a steering wheel and kill everyone near you. If your lack of security on your computer would have only been your problem, then your analogy would be correct. However your lack of security results in us getting spam mails.
As you know, same if you install a security software, it is not enough, same if it is help a few. The car can have a old steering whell, and this don't resolve the intrusion problem. Network ITs has already some difficuties to securize compagnies, so imagine a simple guy... It is a Sword of Damocles who can attack everyone.
Also, this law don't exist to fight against spams or zombie networks etc..., but for illegal downloads.
As the Constitution don't permit to create a illegal download Law because of the obligation to respect the "equal penalties" (illegal download means counterfeiting, already exist with 300K€ and 5 years of prison, so impossible to create something equal with a small sanction), so they create this obligation, to attack everyone that the IP had been found. Also, only suspicions was required to take the sanction. If your IP would be seen in a TPB torrent file, as we know that they add false IPs inside them, then you would be screwed. And you was guilty unless you proof that it is not you... This is impossible.
It is better in the revision 2 since the Constitution Council was called, and they hitted hard.
But revision 2 is worse in a way... If you failed to this obligation, it will be added in your criminal records. With everything that it means (access to some jobs refused, etc...).
I don't care about security and all analogies who can be found, nothing can support this law. It is just that we have a small narcissic dwarf, who hate when people said he is wrong while if he has 6 brains (Yeah, he said that he has 6 brains...), so he will go with force. _______ Local is fine, period. |
Gilbert Drillerson
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Gilbert Drillerson on 27/06/2009 11:56:08
Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games that are rated greater than 15+.
source: Article
Fixed and bolded the important part. So basically the vast majority of games including eve will still be accessable. If there is any major resistance its from the rockstar games type of developers who quite honestly needed an official biatch smack to the pavement long ago.
You fail to see the bigger picture.
Censorship in any form should be illegal. Parents should be held accountable for their negligence. If parents aren't responsible enough to handle their own children or teach them right from wrong, they should either not have children or they should be taken away.
No excuses as to this either. Everything comes down to choices. The majority of mankind is unintelligent and as such chooses poorly. They deserve to be punished as a master would punish its dog. Most parents don't supervise their kids then blame everyone else for their own negligence. It's like a gun owner blaming the gun for murdering his wife when it was the gun owner that lost his temper and pulled the trigger. And yet this story continues to repeat all around me, on the news, everyday. It never ends.
As to what I meant about censorship and how it will be abused, there are businesses, and opposition leaders for political parties that have websites on the latest censorship list. This isn't just in Australia but Germany as well. All the progress that has been made through globalization is on the way to being undone, a country at a time. It's starts with censorship, removal of individual liberties, and growing government and corporate corruption until we are essentially going completely backwards.
Greed is the primary factor. Power is the other factor.
Humanity is on its way to a new dark age if the younger generations don't wake the **** up and take power of our countries back. Get this filth out of office.
110% AGREE, best post this year by a mile
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0902/gs.gif Dont get mad - Get even |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 27/06/2009 11:56:27
Originally by: rValdez5987
You fail to see the bigger picture.
Censorship in any form should be illegal. Parents should be held accountable for their negligence. If parents aren't responsible enough to handle their own children or teach them right from wrong, they should either not have children or they should be taken away.
No excuses as to this either. Everything comes down to choices. The majority of mankind is unintelligent and as such chooses poorly. They deserve to be punished as a master would punish its dog. Most parents don't supervise their kids then blame everyone else for their own negligence. It's like a gun owner blaming the gun for murdering his wife when it was the gun owner that lost his temper and pulled the trigger. And yet this story continues to repeat all around me, on the news, everyday. It never ends.
As to what I meant about censorship and how it will be abused, there are businesses, and opposition leaders for political parties that have websites on the latest censorship list. This isn't just in Australia but Germany as well. All the progress that has been made through globalization is on the way to being undone, a country at a time. It's starts with censorship, removal of individual liberties, and growing government and corporate corruption until we are essentially going completely backwards.
Greed is the primary factor. Power is the other factor.
Humanity is on its way to a new dark age if the younger generations don't wake the **** up and take power of our countries back. Get this filth out of office.
r u 12?
Games should not be illegal for adults. But the "depend on the parents" thing is a joke and everyone knows it.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 27/06/2009 11:59:14
Originally by: Furb Killer A more correct analogy would be that you use a car without a steering wheel and kill everyone near you. If your lack of security on your computer would have only been your problem, then your analogy would be correct. However your lack of security results in us getting spam mails.
As you know, same if you install a security software, it is not enough, same if it is help a few. The car can have a old steering whell, and this don't resolve the intrusion problem. Network ITs has already some difficuties to securize compagnies, so imagine a simple guy... It is a Sword of Damocles who can attack everyone.
Also, this law don't exist to fight against spams or zombie networks etc..., but for illegal downloads.
As the Constitution don't permit to create a illegal download Law because of the obligation to respect the "equal penalties" (illegal download means counterfeiting, already exist with 300KÇ and 5 years of prison, so impossible to create something equal with a small sanction), so they create this obligation, to attack everyone that the IP had been found. Also, only suspicions was required to take the sanction. If your IP would be seen in a TPB torrent file, as we know that they add false IPs inside them, then you would be screwed. And you was guilty unless you proof that it is not you (not constitutional)... This is impossible.
It is better in the revision 2 since the Constitution Council was called, and they hitted hard.
But revision 2 is worse in a way... If you failed to this obligation, it will be added in your criminal records. With everything that it means (access to some jobs refused, etc...). Also, same e-mails will be checked...
I don't care about security and all analogies who can be found, nothing can support this law. It is just that we have a small narcissic dwarf, who hate when people said he is wrong while if he has 6 brains (Yeah, he said that he has 6 brains...), so he will go with force.
I am not familiar with the law itself, but you were just talking about security, and now you are talking about bittorrent downloads? What is the law for?
For example at university here: If they see a computer sending spam mails, he will get blocked from all internet access and he has to request access if he fixed it. In general that will be people without proper security, but yeah sometimes it will also be people with anti virus software/firewall. No one cares, as long as your computer is sending spam mails, you wont have any internet access. And i would be happy if every ISP has to enforce that. I dont care how many keyloggers you managed to get, but as soon as your computer starts sending spam/other crap, your internet access should be removed. |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 27/06/2009 12:19:48
Originally by: Furb Killer I am not familiar with the law itself, but you were just talking about security, and now you are talking about bittorrent downloads? What is the law for?
For example at university here: If they see a computer sending spam mails, he will get blocked from all internet access and he has to request access if he fixed it. In general that will be people without proper security, but yeah sometimes it will also be people with anti virus software/firewall. No one cares, as long as your computer is sending spam mails, you wont have any internet access. And i would be happy if every ISP has to enforce that. I dont care how many keyloggers you managed to get, but as soon as your computer starts sending spam/other crap, your internet access should be removed.
About the law... It is just some evident manipulation.
In politic, the most important thing you must know, is manipulate... words.
The Constitution didn't permit to create a "Illegal Download Law", with this three words, for the reasons I explained (equal penalties). So, the govnerment had to create a new crime, who would permit to join the original goal, with some different words.
So it become the "failure to secure your Internet access". A subtil choice of words, to workaround the Constitution. But if you read in the newspaper etc., everyone call it the "illegal download law".
And sorry, but Internet access shoudn't be removed. How securize an access if you don't have access to all informations required for it ? If the law was "You are suspended for 15 days, but we will send you all you need to correct it", I would tolerate it.
But as I said, the Hadopi Law give the obligation to continue to pay for a suspended access for 6 months and add your fault in your criminal records.
It can't be compared to your university politic. _______ Local is fine, period. |
Tyr Vaantau
Amarr Disorder.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:22:00 -
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We never wanted those Australians anyway... ------
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/06/2009 12:26:19 Well on university you can still download free anti virus software. But how to fix it without internet? Go to a shop and buy anti virus, buy a new computer, jump into a volcano, i dont care, as long as no spam mails come from your computer.
I agree that those laws which are abused in such a way are bad, but my problem is that quite some people think that just everything should be fine on the internet because it is the internet.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/06/2009 12:31:02
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games that are rated greater than 15+.
source: Article
Fixed and bolded the important part. So basically the vast majority of games including eve will still be accessable.
read again games like eve isnt rated at all due to it being a online game
I'm sitting here looking at my boxed version of Eve and it says 12+ on it.
All I can say is if this does happen then just...
...wow, I'd lose so many ingame buddies, it'd be incredible, I mean...
Just think how fast the server would be without all those extra people, I'm getting excited just thinking about it. Please hurry up and go Austrailians. :P
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:32:00 -
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They deserve it anyway for killing skippy.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: "Kessian" They can block the main download site for EvE but everyone will just use mirrors. People who play EvE tend to be much more computer savvy than mainstream folk, I doubt this would be anything more than a trifling inconvenience.
*Emails the Eve Tranquility server I.P and a program to auto track any changes in the address to the Aussie Senate*
:P
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/06/2009 12:26:19 Well on university you can still download free anti virus software. But how to fix it without internet? Go to a shop and buy anti virus, buy a new computer, jump into a volcano, i dont care, as long as no spam mails come from your computer.
I agree that those laws which are abused in such a way are bad, but my problem is that quite some people think that just everything should be fine on the internet because it is the internet.
It can be hard, depending of the person and his objectives. Go to a shop (if you can go) to buy the first AV you see is not great. You will have chance to find Norton (sigh) but after that... And no user comments, no test to help to take your decision, etc...
If it was done like your university, it would be better, but what about interoperability, etc. ?
Also, I consider that the spam victim has his part of responsibilities. Personaly, I have 10 spams a day in my "trash address" (for everything suspicious ^^) and nearly nothing in my normal addresses. _______ Local is fine, period. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.27 13:01:00 -
[44]
To all those people missing the point:
1) It is not possible to rate a game higher than M15+ in Australia. There is no R or X 2) It is illegal to sell books or movies that are RC 3) Stephen Conroy wants to make it illegal to sell or procure games that are RC 4) Games that are not classified, are RC by default 5) Games that have no rating due to online interaction are not classified
Thus playing EVE Online will become illegal not because it contains objectionable content, but purely because it cannot be rated M15+ or under.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.27 13:10:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 27/06/2009 13:10:40
Everything can be bypassed.
The Australian Law target the distribution, not the usage, so a priori it will be fine.
In all cases, everything can be downloaded by a SSH tunnel through a non-australian server. If things go worse and EvE servers are blocked too, EvE Online is SSH-Tunneling compliant, so it can be played throught it (tested). I don't know if EvE Voice will work (untested). _______ Local is fine, period. |
Bane Cael
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Posted - 2009.06.27 14:36:00 -
[46]
There's no real point in spamming Senator Conroy about the lack of an R18 classification for video games as he can't do anything about it. It's up to the Attorney General's of each of the 6 states to unanimously agree on implementing an R18 classification for video games. The Aussie games industry has been pushing for years, but the South Australian Attorney General keeps blocking it.
Linky 1: R18+ for games? Not a chance (From The Age website)
Linky 2:Australia's Atkinson Still Blocking R18+ Rating
His contact details are here: Attorney-General and Minister for Justice Michael Atkinson |
Tag Heuer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.27 15:29:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Furb Killer Pretty sure eve is rated since it was sold in boxes again.
Correct. The retail box in Canada is rated Teen by the ESRB. I believe it's also rated as 12+ (which I feel is too young for Eve). That's the physical game rating. However, there is the usual "Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB" disclaimer. In fact, all of these ratings are displayed at the bottom of the EVE Online home page. Is this a run on sentence or my signature? You decide. |
Little Matt
Caldari New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.30 05:41:00 -
[48]
@Mara Rinn. Thanks, I was just about to post a message detailing that, about the RC rissue. What people don't seem to be getting is that each country has it's own Censorship Board. Some are a lot more liberal than others. Australia, for reasons which beggars belief, has never managed to get a bill passed to allow games to be rated to the same levels as movies. Something which is quite frustrating. "Protect the children", "Only kids play games", and other such inane arguments often get spouted whenever the issue comes up in any public forum.
Fact is, that the average gamer is around 30 years old. Surely old enough to watch an R18+ movie. And yet we have to have our games washed clean of 'undesirable' content? Content which is surely exceeded in the average soapie, movie or news program.
I seriously worry about our politicians if they are so blind to the realities of the current gaming/entertainment environment and userbase.
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Taradis
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.30 05:46:00 -
[49]
Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games that are rated greater than 15+.
source: Article
Fixed and bolded the important part. So basically the vast majority of games including eve will still be accessable. If there is any major resistance its from the rockstar games type of developers who quite honestly needed an official biatch smack to the pavement long ago.
You fail to see the bigger picture.
Censorship in any form should be illegal. Parents should be held accountable for their negligence. If parents aren't responsible enough to handle their own children or teach them right from wrong, they should either not have children or they should be taken away.
No excuses as to this either. Everything comes down to choices. The majority of mankind is unintelligent and as such chooses poorly. They deserve to be punished as a master would punish its dog. Most parents don't supervise their kids then blame everyone else for their own negligence. It's like a gun owner blaming the gun for murdering his wife when it was the gun owner that lost his temper and pulled the trigger. And yet this story continues to repeat all around me, on the news, everyday. It never ends.
As to what I meant about censorship and how it will be abused, there are businesses, and opposition leaders for political parties that have websites on the latest censorship list. This isn't just in Australia but Germany as well. All the progress that has been made through globalization is on the way to being undone, a country at a time. It's starts with censorship, removal of individual liberties, and growing government and corporate corruption until we are essentially going completely backwards.
Greed is the primary factor. Power is the other factor.
Humanity is on its way to a new dark age if the younger generations don't wake the **** up and take power of our countries back. Get this filth out of office.
Didn't you know it takes a village to raise a child? No parents in their right mind would take responsibility for their childs actions (insert sarcasm here) Least it's like that in the U.S it's a damn shame really. Of all things to be banned in alot of countries music wise is Cannibal Corpse but that was a while back and they are still being their brutal azz selves.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 05:52:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 30/06/2009 05:52:51
Originally by: AkRoYeR America is next, than Europe.
This sort of thing happens in Europe first. Consider game censorship in Germany.
But until scientific evidence is in to prove that violent games harm the mental well-being of mentally normal people then any effort to censor or outlaw them is outrageous in principle. Not so much because games add a lot to the cultural landscape of a country, but because you just know that other forms of media such as film and books might follow. It's easy to demonize games because the news folks like to point out how someone who went on a killing spree played violent games, failing to note that hundreds of thousands if not millions of other people play the same game and are unaffected.
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Taradis
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.30 05:52:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Taradis on 30/06/2009 05:55:34
Originally by: Little Matt @Mara Rinn. Thanks, I was just about to post a message detailing that, about the RC rissue. What people don't seem to be getting is that each country has it's own Censorship Board. Some are a lot more liberal than others. Australia, for reasons which beggars belief, has never managed to get a bill passed to allow games to be rated to the same levels as movies. Something which is quite frustrating. "Protect the children", "Only kids play games", and other such inane arguments often get spouted whenever the issue comes up in any public forum.
Fact is, that the average gamer is around 30 years old. Surely old enough to watch an R18+ movie. And yet we have to have our games washed clean of 'undesirable' content? Content which is surely exceeded in the average soapie, movie or news program.
I seriously worry about our politicians if they are so blind and utterly stupid as to not see reality from sitting atop there high spires (hence spires have a pointy tip of utter stupidity and ignorance)=quote]
I think it's time for the people to rise up and take their countries back and get these tards out of office by any means necessary.
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Taradis
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.30 05:58:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Taradis Edited by: Taradis on 30/06/2009 05:55:34
Originally by: Little Matt @Mara Rinn. Thanks, I was just about to post a message detailing that, about the RC rissue. What people don't seem to be getting is that each country has it's own Censorship Board. Some are a lot more liberal than others. Australia, for reasons which beggars belief, has never managed to get a bill passed to allow games to be rated to the same levels as movies. Something which is quite frustrating. "Protect the children", "Only kids play games", and other such inane arguments often get spouted whenever the issue comes up in any public forum.
Fact is, that the average gamer is around 30 years old. Surely old enough to watch an R18+ movie. And yet we have to have our games washed clean of 'undesirable' content? Content which is surely exceeded in the average soapie, movie or news program.
I seriously worry about our politicians if they are so blind and utterly stupid as to not see reality from sitting atop there high spires (hence spires have a pointy tip of utter stupidity and ignorance)
EDIT: Yea I finally fixed both qoutes to an extent damn fatigue and work
I think it's time for the people to rise up and take their countries back and get these tards out of office by any means necessary
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BiggestT
Caldari Oz Space Diggers
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Posted - 2009.06.30 06:25:00 -
[53]
Edited by: BiggestT on 30/06/2009 06:26:25 Learn to read OP, that does not include EVE.
edit: that targets sites like gamespot etc, not EVE. EVE history
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GodsVervloek
Divinity's Edge
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Posted - 2009.06.30 06:28:00 -
[54]
Big LOLs if the aussies get banned from playing EVE, us kiwis would be virtually alone in EVE and there would be no point playing it anymore.
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Kazang
Gallente Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.06.30 06:28:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: Censorship in any form should be illegal
So child ****ography should be freely accessible? Yes I know the argument is used to often, but i get kinda bored with all the people saying everything should be allowed because it is the internet. And no i cant agree with this law, but like it or not, the internet needs to be regulated.
Child ****ography is illegal becasue its a crime to exploit children in such a manner. The cp itself is not illegal by default, it is by extension that anyone possessing it is supporting, condoning and exploiting children, and that is a extremely serious crime.
This is not censorship, these are measures to help prevent children being sexually abused. Comparing modern media (ie games) to cp is frankly ******ed.
Videogames/movies/music etc that do not infringe on the rights of another human should in no way be censored, on the internet or in any other form. Im an adult i should have the right to watch/listen to what i want, by someone telling me what i should and should not watch they would be infringing on my rights and forcing to conform to there stands. Im not a child and i dont like being exploited or controlled for another's gain or becasue of what they think is "appropriate".
Since your bringing up cp i would say that the people who endorse censorship are infringing on the basic rights of others so much so that they are only slightly less heinous than people who exploit children.
Kazang
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.06.30 07:07:00 -
[56]
It's not just the Aussies that are going to be censored. Many countries are now setting up governemt departments to theorise on how violent content, certain ****ography, and extremist views can be filtered out of the public domain. It's to be expected, and if our kids continue to stab, shoot and **** each other, the internet will have to be moderated like aspects of real life.
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Huge Bruno
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.30 07:09:00 -
[57]
BAN religion now. (Controversial, I know - not intended as flamebait) BAN all forms of censorship in online-media. BAN stupid ideas. BAN OLD THINKING.
FORCE all federal/government/state employed people to go through ALL of their ideas first before being introduced on the public - IE. if someone introduces a new tax-scheme, let them suffer it first. For at least 1 year before being introduced to the public.
FORCE a rethinking of child-abuse, violence and general misbehaving SCIENTIFICALLY - no more "dad knows best" tactics, there are studies with clear results that violence in movies and games does NOT translate over to violence from kids/teenagers/young adults.
Young peoples trouble most often stem from abuse at home or at school, and in some cases violence in games have actually functioned as a outlet for this rage - instead of at school etc.
I'm going to go as far as saying that these advocates of none-violence take a long hard look at themselves and see what influenced them in their youth, and ask them - is it really all that different? If if is, do you think that the world is a worse place to live in now - than say 50 years ago?
You can't make people none-aggressive by removing or censoring media and their entire existence, it is in our nature to be aggressive - still. So until the day evolution takes that away from us, I say give the kids something to shoot at that doesn't run the risk of them killing their friends or family and leave them the hell alone with their games.
It's one thing that this passes as law in a dictatorship like China, but in Australia? Come ON! Sorry Aussies but I have to pass this last argument and I know it's silly... Not long ago Australia was a prison-colony for criminals expelled from GB - when did you become such carebears that you would censor your media to death? :P
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Tranca
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.06.30 07:12:00 -
[58]
Well, to all you Aussies there is only one thing to do. Get everyone you know and protest outside your capital building. Start a major movement to kill the legislation and then a movement to get that senator out of office. Make your voices heard. Because the one thing any politician hates more than anything is a protest with his name on it and a legitimate threat to kick him out of office.
Only you guys can make it happen so I suggest you get moving. And if you think you have no power....just see what happens when you get a few thousand people in the street and demand some heads roll. You will be pleasantly surprised.
GL from your American friends /salute.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 07:38:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: Censorship in any form should be illegal
So child ****ography should be freely accessible? Yes I know the argument is used to often, but i get kinda bored with all the people saying everything should be allowed because it is the internet. And no i cant agree with this law, but like it or not, the internet needs to be regulated.
Ignorant *******s always make this exact same ****ing argument every ****ing time.
You sir are a fool and are unworthy of a reply BUT I'm going to humour you regardless.
Child ****ography is of such a high level of immorality that it must be banned to PROTECT CHILDREN.
Violent video games ARE NOT THE SAME.
If a kid is playing a game that is beyond his legal age group it is the result of poor parenting. Don't use the excuse that you dont have the ability or time to watch your kids. If you aren't able to be a proper parent dont have kids, and if you do anyways, be prepared to be punished.
It is not the job of government to censor everyone DUE TO YOUR STUPIDITY AND NEGLIGENCE.
Stop acting like jackasses before the more intelligent members of our society decide to have you ******s gassed. Thanks and have a nice day. |
rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 07:43:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Taradis
Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto It seems that certain people in the australian government are about to ban all online games that are rated greater than 15+.
source: Article
Fixed and bolded the important part. So basically the vast majority of games including eve will still be accessable. If there is any major resistance its from the rockstar games type of developers who quite honestly needed an official biatch smack to the pavement long ago.
You fail to see the bigger picture.
Censorship in any form should be illegal. Parents should be held accountable for their negligence. If parents aren't responsible enough to handle their own children or teach them right from wrong, they should either not have children or they should be taken away.
No excuses as to this either. Everything comes down to choices. The majority of mankind is unintelligent and as such chooses poorly. They deserve to be punished as a master would punish its dog. Most parents don't supervise their kids then blame everyone else for their own negligence. It's like a gun owner blaming the gun for murdering his wife when it was the gun owner that lost his temper and pulled the trigger. And yet this story continues to repeat all around me, on the news, everyday. It never ends.
As to what I meant about censorship and how it will be abused, there are businesses, and opposition leaders for political parties that have websites on the latest censorship list. This isn't just in Australia but Germany as well. All the progress that has been made through globalization is on the way to being undone, a country at a time. It's starts with censorship, removal of individual liberties, and growing government and corporate corruption until we are essentially going completely backwards.
Greed is the primary factor. Power is the other factor.
Humanity is on its way to a new dark age if the younger generations don't wake the **** up and take power of our countries back. Get this filth out of office.
Didn't you know it takes a village to raise a child? No parents in their right mind would take responsibility for their childs actions (insert sarcasm here) Least it's like that in the U.S it's a damn shame really. Of all things to be banned in alot of countries music wise is Cannibal Corpse but that was a while back and they are still being their brutal azz selves.
It doesn't matter if parents refuse responsibility. In fact I don't give a **** what the parents say. Their child IS their responsibility until they reach the age of majority.
This is fact, this is law. Follow the law or suffer for your disobedience. We need to spend more time punishing those who break the laws and less time trying to make more laws that do nothing other then punish those who are responsible on top of not fixing the existing problems.
The more I follow the various events around the world, the more I see a society that no longer thinks. You don't contemplate your actions. You don't consider the freedoms that you are giving up to your government when you 'censor' things. You truly cannot trust anyone in this world and yet it seems like most people trust their government the most. They are the last people you want to trust. |
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.30 08:04:00 -
[61]
Why are so many countries starting to have this idea... Good lord. In an age where virtual entertainment is at an ever-growing high too.
This is the job of parents - not the govermnent. They're wasting everybodies time even getting involved in this. Is it so hard to see a game with a 15+ tag on it, and NOT give it to a kid under 15 years old?
Grr.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.06.30 08:12:00 -
[62]
One reaps as one sows.
I am assuming they have a democratic system, politicians that are willing to take such sweeping measures are commonly easily identified as raving lunatics before elections .. vote for the other guy.
Doubt anything will happen though, too much money on the line .. money > standpoints!
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 08:18:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Reven Cordelle Why are so many countries starting to have this idea
Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.06.30 08:39:00 -
[64]
Looks like Task Force Argos just had a nocturnal discharge.
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Tara Moss
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Posted - 2009.06.30 09:05:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Tara Moss on 30/06/2009 09:06:41 Well I'm Aussie.
If it becomes illegal to import & sell unrated games...does that mean our police & customs are obliged to pursue such activity?
Defending Aussie shores against the evil of video games. What a great use of resources
Edit: Removed the obscenities
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Southern Suzy
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.30 09:17:00 -
[66]
that would save us from a lot of stupid "move downtime" posts So wait this is the end of my post allready?
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sxndy
Gallente Snuff inc
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Posted - 2009.06.30 09:23:00 -
[67]
Edited by: sxndy on 30/06/2009 09:25:02
The good news is that in Scotland the Government is passing a law that makes it illegal for people not to play violent online games.
This comes in the wake of the terrorist event in Glasgow when they tried to blow up the Airport.
The Police ran away and innocent bystanders were left to deal with the bombers. All of the terrorist were brought under control and one or two were given a sound kicking to make sure they understood exactly which country they were trying to fo0k with.
The Scottish Government was so impressed that they have decided to reduce the cowardly Police numbers and encourage the indigenous population to deal with terrorism. Violent online games have been seen as a way to temper the nerves and increase the reaction time of the populace.
hip hip hora, for Violent online games!!
sucks to be an Aussy, hardlines guys
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Taradis
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.30 10:14:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Reven Cordelle Why are so many countries starting to have this idea
Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)
Agreed. Hence why people are totally ****ing stupid this day and age, they can't think for themselves anymore.
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Highlord DS
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Posted - 2009.06.30 10:37:00 -
[69]
This sooo reminds me of the censorship of piratebay in denmark
While of course the objective in that move was to stop pirating, its still disgusts me. I mean there is like 150 other ways to get stuff illegally anyway, and the pricipal line they had to cross to get it done is just... I leak the words to express my disgust.
And the WORST part of it, is that 3 mins later, there was 20 guides and tutorials on the web on how to BYPASS it. I myself don't use it too much, however there is the odd movie here and there I might look for (films you can't buy or get anymore), and it took me 3 mins and 27 secs (I timed it) to get around it.
Its just stupid...
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Elite Contract
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:37:00 -
[70]
AUSFAILIA AUSFAILIA AUSFAILIA AUSFAILIA AUSFAILIA
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1CE WIND
Minmatar Sto-vo-kor The Council.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:39:00 -
[71]
yes australia sucks oh noes civil liberties taken away
but at least we dont have to go to mexico to have abortions aye.
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Kel'dar Drax
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:58:00 -
[72]
Australia...the largest 'Sergeants Mess' in the world...old British Army saying.
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Astrixx
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:02:00 -
[73]
Originally by: 1CE WIND yes australia sucks oh noes civil liberties taken away
but at least we dont have to go to mexico to have abortions aye.
you a bad troll. you can still get an abortion in the US if you want. In fact the setup is much the same as australia.. each state has its own laws. One merely needs to go to another state if one wants an abortion.
Short version: your country is still AUSFAILIA
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:15:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Rachel Silverside on 30/06/2009 12:16:39
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Reven Cordelle Why are so many countries starting to have this idea
Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)
type DiHydrogenMonoxide into google lol@ Kiwi land -------------------- This sig was awesome but needs more EvE related content. - Zymurgist |
Corvin Demeter
Caldari Legio XII Fulminata
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:17:00 -
[75]
Government of the people, by the people, for the people...hmm, nice concept, I wonder when any country will actually dare to implement it?
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:19:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Astrixx
Originally by: 1CE WIND yes australia sucks oh noes civil liberties taken away
but at least we dont have to go to mexico to have abortions aye.
you a bad troll. you can still get an abortion in the US if you want. In fact the setup is much the same as australia.. each state has its own laws. One merely needs to go to another state if one wants an abortion.
Short version: your country is still AUSFAILIA
lol look at this (its an old article but wtf) United States of Fail and thats just George Bush's mistakes -------------------- This sig was awesome but needs more EvE related content. - Zymurgist |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:19:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Typhado3 on 30/06/2009 12:25:03 this makes me sad to be an Australian, and this isn't the first time. I love Australia but our IT industry is going to **** so badly I am seriously considering leaving once I finish my degree.
I try to take this from both sides of those who are trying to ban sites like /b/ etc. while others are arguing they'll be banning everything up to google and claiming government conspiracies. But then I see things like the government moving this plan in without any public announcements and ignoring public opinion, keeping the list of blacklisted sites secret and adding political sites. The Australian government isn't exactly good at listening to it's people when it's doing something wrong and this feels like one of those times.
As much as I want to believe they would never try and ban eve I remember things like mass effect a few years ago and how it was represented to the public. In reality it had a sex scene with side boob, ass and a lot of suggestive stuff... not something you'd want your kids seeing but not the worst thing I've seen. Then I look how it was represented in the media YouTube linky (bad quality): where in short they say it's a highly graphic game with full frontal nudity where you control every intimate and dirty act with a strong overtone of male dominance.
Now I look at how eve is. In eve you can easily kill entire colonies and cities worth of people with a very gruesome back story. You can also own people including slaves, exotic dancers, prostitutes. There is also the rather large drug issue where you can make, use and sell drugs where special drugs can even be seen to have beneficial effects. Hell in Eve I'm a drug dealing corpse collecting brothel owner, and that's before those arguing against EVE try distorting the truth or putting any spin on it.
this does not look good for eve
PS: one other thing to add that non-Australians might not know, our government has always had graphic public service adds such as a showing graphic car crashes involving small children and yet it has crazy censorship laws like this
Is this a part of my signature? -----------------------------------
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:29:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Rachel Silverside Edited by: Rachel Silverside on 30/06/2009 12:16:39
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Reven Cordelle Why are so many countries starting to have this idea
Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)
type DiHydrogenMonoxide into google lol@ Kiwi land
lol epic thats pure class ^^
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Astrixx
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:33:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Rachel Silverside
Originally by: Astrixx
Originally by: 1CE WIND yes australia sucks oh noes civil liberties taken away
but at least we dont have to go to mexico to have abortions aye.
you a bad troll. you can still get an abortion in the US if you want. In fact the setup is much the same as australia.. each state has its own laws. One merely needs to go to another state if one wants an abortion.
Short version: your country is still AUSFAILIA
lol look at this (its an old article but wtf) United States of Fail and thats just George Bush's mistakes
thx, highly relevant to abortion or banning computer games.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.06.30 13:22:00 -
[80]
The answer is the same, regardless the country: FOLLOW THE MONEY. KB |
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Angelic Visage
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Posted - 2009.06.30 13:52:00 -
[81]
What will be good is when in another generations time all the politicians and the general society as a whole will actually not be as ignorant about videogames.
The main points people put up in this thread that stick in my head is things like the RC classification issue that seems integral to this whole ban thing. Ignorant politicans who didnt grow up with gaming not able to understand it as a result fail to make any reasonable or informed law about it.
Games should have the same classifications as movies because they are an entertainment business. This will all happen again with the next new growing entertainment gadget. (Remember, Rock music was music of the devil at one point, so where books probably same as videogames have been for the last 30 years)
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Roxanna Kell
R0XYRACHO
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Posted - 2009.06.30 13:56:00 -
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What ever happened to freedom? why do this f*****G aristocrats think they know whats best for us? or do they jsut want to assure a better future for them? an abiding non violent society?
Quote: Knowledge is having a forward scout in a roaming op, wisdom is to scout the rear as well.
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.06.30 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Huge Bruno BAN religion now. (Controversial, I know - not intended as flamebait) BAN all forms of censorship in online-media. BAN stupid ideas. BAN OLD THINKING.
FORCE all federal/government/state employed people to go through ALL of their ideas first before being introduced on the public - IE. if someone introduces a new tax-scheme, let them suffer it first. For at least 1 year before being introduced to the public.
First off, its a bit stupid to ban censorship, but then ban religion. Its all about the freedom of thought and expression.
Second about the state employed people enduring something, I highly doubt the politicians supporting these anti-video games bills are playing GTA when they get home. They are a different generation, who maybe only played pacman. The best way would be to have a Direct Democracy like switzerland has so we can stop these ******ed laws.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:26:00 -
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This seems to be a "good" in theory bad in practice idea. The theory being that the parents/guardians will care enough to look into what their children are actually doing as opposed to the practice of the kid whining enough to get their way or to have their older sibling go out and buy the game for them.
The rules change but the gameplay remains the same until parents fundimentally wake up and realize that children dont raise themselves. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Huge Bruno BAN religion now. (Controversial, I know - not intended as flamebait) BAN all forms of censorship in online-media. BAN stupid ideas. BAN OLD THINKING.
FORCE all federal/government/state employed people to go through ALL of their ideas first before being introduced on the public - IE. if someone introduces a new tax-scheme, let them suffer it first. For at least 1 year before being introduced to the public.
First off, its a bit stupid to ban censorship, but then ban religion. Its all about the freedom of thought and expression.
Second about the state employed people enduring something, I highly doubt the politicians supporting these anti-video games bills are playing GTA when they get home. They are a different generation, who maybe only played pacman. The best way would be to have a Direct Democracy like switzerland has so we can stop these ******ed laws.
Obviously though when I think of a politician I think of a man who went to law school or harvard or some fancy school of some sort, and does nothing but wears a suite, plays golf and goes to meetings and could care less about what happens to video games because it doesn't inconvenience him in the slightest. ---- My Music |
Tranca
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3 Edited by: Typhado3 on 30/06/2009 12:25:03 this makes me sad to be an Australian, and this isn't the first time. I love Australia but our IT industry is going to **** so badly I am seriously considering leaving once I finish my degree.
I try to take this from both sides of those who are trying to ban sites like /b/ etc. while others are arguing they'll be banning everything up to google and claiming government conspiracies. But then I see things like the government moving this plan in without any public announcements and ignoring public opinion, keeping the list of blacklisted sites secret and adding political sites. The Australian government isn't exactly good at listening to it's people when it's doing something wrong and this feels like one of those times.
As much as I want to believe they would never try and ban eve I remember things like mass effect a few years ago and how it was represented to the public. In reality it had a sex scene with side boob, ass and a lot of suggestive stuff... not something you'd want your kids seeing but not the worst thing I've seen. Then I look how it was represented in the media YouTube linky (bad quality): where in short they say it's a highly graphic game with full frontal nudity where you control every intimate and dirty act with a strong overtone of male dominance.
Now I look at how eve is. In eve you can easily kill entire colonies and cities worth of people with a very gruesome back story. You can also own people including slaves, exotic dancers, prostitutes. There is also the rather large drug issue where you can make, use and sell drugs where special drugs can even be seen to have beneficial effects. Hell in Eve I'm a drug dealing corpse collecting brothel owner, and that's before those arguing against EVE try distorting the truth or putting any spin on it.
this does not look good for eve
PS: one other thing to add that non-Australians might not know, our government has always had graphic public service adds such as a showing graphic car crashes involving small children and yet it has crazy censorship laws like this
Is this a part of my signature?
Then you and your countrymen need to get off your asses and take your country back from the the government. Failure to act means you don't give a **** anymore and are giving your government the green light to run YOUR life as THEY see fit.
Stop whining about it and DO something about it!!!!!!!!!!!! The PEOPLE have the real power but only when THEY decide to USE IT!!!
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:07:00 -
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Wow this looks scary for some games. Good thing for EVE Online though, we have a PG rating in Australia! Check it out: www.oflc.gov.au.
Thanks to that rating hopefully we can pull more of our Australian friends in when they are banned from other inferior games.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Wow this looks scary for some games. Good thing for EVE Online though, we have a PG rating in Australia! Check it out: www.oflc.gov.au.
Thanks to that rating hopefully we can pull more of our Australian friends in when they are banned from other inferior games.
Regardless of my feelings in censorship, I fully agree with this statement.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Taradis
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Reven Cordelle Why are so many countries starting to have this idea
Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)
Agreed. Hence why people are totally ****ing stupid this day and age, they can't think for themselves anymore.
Television has more of an effect on intelligence level. I spend a moderate time being a gamer because its cheaper then going to the pub every night, and drinking reduces your intelligence. The rest of my time is spent working, learning, and getting yet another degree.
It's funny that the majority of people who want censorship or want, in general, laws that remove freedom, are TV watchers. I know a lot of people that buy into whats said on TV about basically everything, and the vast majority of what is on TV is a complete lie anyways. (at least here in the US it is)
I dare you to watch a program on the economy and then fact check it. Or watch a newsreport about something going on in another country and fact check it.
And people won't think for themselves regardless. You don't just start cracking down using tyranny just because the majority of humanity is stupid and ignorant. What about those of us that do think, and aren't ignorant. There are better solutions to this problem. |
FOl2TY8
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
It doesn't matter if parents refuse responsibility. In fact I don't give a **** what the parents say. Their child IS their responsibility until they reach the age of majority.
This is fact, this is law. Follow the law or suffer for your disobedience. We need to spend more time punishing those who break the laws and less time trying to make more laws that do nothing other then punish those who are responsible on top of not fixing the existing problems.
The more I follow the various events around the world, the more I see a society that no longer thinks. You don't contemplate your actions. You don't consider the freedoms that you are giving up to your government when you 'censor' things. You truly cannot trust anyone in this world and yet it seems like most people trust their government the most. They are the last people you want to trust.
Your inflated self worth is incredibly entertaining. So how's the move to another country coming along? ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: Censorship in any form should be illegal
So child ****ography should be freely accessible? Yes I know the argument is used to often, but i get kinda bored with all the people saying everything should be allowed because it is the internet. And no i cant agree with this law, but like it or not, the internet needs to be regulated.
Damn straight it needs to be regulated, by parents not the government.
The parents should not have room to ***** about little timmy going to pron sites, it is their responsibility to supervise the kid not the government.
And as for that argument you constantly hear"I cant watch him all the time", fine, learn about computers, get a site blocker and check the kid's history.
I find it horribly convenient that every person neglects to mention all the site blockers in existence at the moment, hell most are even free!
Lastly, I am against censorship of the internet, sure it should adhere to the laws within somebodies country(ie dont submit child pron, beastiality and whatever) but it should not be touched, because unfortunately it is one of the last free forums where one can trade knowledge and views left on this planet.
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FOl2TY8
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Damn straight it needs to be regulated, by parents not the government.
The parents should not have room to ***** about little timmy going to pron sites, it is their responsibility to supervise the kid not the government.
And as for that argument you constantly hear"I cant watch him all the time", fine, learn about computers, get a site blocker and check the kid's history.
I find it horribly convenient that every person neglects to mention all the site blockers in existence at the moment, hell most are even free!
Lastly, I am against censorship of the internet, sure it should adhere to the laws within somebodies country(ie dont submit child pron, beastiality and whatever) but it should not be touched, because unfortunately it is one of the last free forums where one can trade knowledge and views left on this planet.
So before the internet what where the other free forums where one could trade knowledge and views? Libraries don't count because they still exist. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:18:00 -
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LOLstralia at it once again. Soon the government will ban swimming to 'protect the children', then they'll just cut the net, force everyone to stay at home and post a copper in your house, because you never know what could go wrong and what you might do or show your children. Then they'll cut TV, prohibit books and newspaper.
What's funny is how many people actually go along with extreme fascism as long ast it's about PROTECTING THE CHILDREN!!!
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:21:00 -
[94]
Originally by: goodby4u it is one of the last free forums where one can trade knowledge and views left on this planet.
This is why it's under attack by our, so called, Western governments who want to regulate it so they can protect themselves from their own citizens.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:23:00 -
[95]
Originally by: FOl2TY8
Originally by: goodby4u Damn straight it needs to be regulated, by parents not the government.
The parents should not have room to ***** about little timmy going to pron sites, it is their responsibility to supervise the kid not the government.
And as for that argument you constantly hear"I cant watch him all the time", fine, learn about computers, get a site blocker and check the kid's history.
I find it horribly convenient that every person neglects to mention all the site blockers in existence at the moment, hell most are even free!
Lastly, I am against censorship of the internet, sure it should adhere to the laws within somebodies country(ie dont submit child pron, beastiality and whatever) but it should not be touched, because unfortunately it is one of the last free forums where one can trade knowledge and views left on this planet.
So before the internet what where the other free forums where one could trade knowledge and views? Libraries don't count because they still exist.
Well the bookstore chooses what books you can obtain through them so I wouldnt call that free.
Before the internet you had either debates between grown men in tophats(lol) or protest, unfortunately the latter of which wasn't always a good idea(see what the cops were doing to protesters in 60s-70s).
Hell look at our news, all of it is now simply opinion, without the internet I am very doubtful I would know half the stuff I know right now.
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Sanguis Sanies
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.30 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn 3) Stephen Conroy wants to make it illegal to sell or procure games that are RC 4) Games that are not classified, are RC by default 5) Games that have no rating due to online interaction are not classified (which therefore means? that's right, they're RC)
On point 3:
It already is illegal to sell games that are Refused Classification in Australia. Australian law works on the "No Supply, No Problem" mentality, as an example it is illegal to knowingly sell or supply cigarettes to anyone under 18, however there is no law that explicitly forbids anyone under 18 from smoking, so so long as they follow all other smoking laws it is perfectly legal for a 6 year old to chain-smoke in public or private home. The Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC) has jurisdiction over all media sold inside Australia. if the sale is not made in Australia then the OFLC has no power. Games like Leisure Suit Larry: Magna ****Laude were illegal to sell in Australia because they were Refused Classification, but it was perfectly legal to import them as the sale occurred outside of Australia.
on point 4:
Not True. Media that is not classified is precisely that: Not Classified. Refused Classification means that the publisher has gone through the formal process of classification and has failed to meet classification criteria, it is then given Refused Classification status. The books and scripts that I'm writing that are sitting on my hard drive have not been classified that does not make them illegal. Refused Classification has legal ramifications. Not classified has none.
Further it is legal to sell some media (mostly books and magazines) without having it classified by the OFLC if it is not "likely to be classified X 18+ and [or] likely to be classified RC." Flash game like Peggle are unlikey to be Refused Clssification and so do not need to be classified if they were sold inside Australia.
On point 5:
Australia makes no distinction between "online" an "offline" content; published content is published content. If a player in an online game start swearing and abusing players then that is something the player has brought to the game, not content from the publisher, the game does not contain the abusive players "content". If a character in the game starts swearing and being abusive then that is game content and so is classifiable. This is why mods (including nude/sex mods) are legal in Australia; because they are not part of the published content of the game.
If the server the sale is made on is contained within Australian territory then Australian law applies and the OFLC has jurisdiction. If the server is outside Australia then the OFLC has no jurisdiction and is powerless to stop the sale.
If the server for online games (like EVE) or for game selling websites (like playasia.com) or even ****ographic websites (sorry no example for you) are located outside of Australia then under current Australian legislation Stephen Conroy and his cronies are powerless to stop them as it is illegal to sell their content but not illegal to import it.
And for those people saying "Th3 INt3RwEbs should be free" please . The internet is hosted on Servers; these servers are hosted in countries; these countries have laws that all companies most follow. Why should I be allowed to publish something on the internet that's illegal to publish in books or on film? The internet is simply another form of media and so all media related legislation is binding. |
StationSpinner
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Posted - 2009.06.30 18:24:00 -
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ATTN: AUSTRALIA
You may leave: Neighbours, Holly Valance and Paul Hogan at the front door
You must take: Foster's beer, sunshine and Home and Away with you as you leave the premises
Thank you for staying at the Interweb Inn. We hope you've enjoyed your stay.
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IVeige
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thanks to that rating hopefully we can pull more of our Australian friends in when they are banned from other inferior games.
woot now i see why they hired you at ccp, you got the attitude needed
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:29:00 -
[99]
i lol'ed when u elected ruddy, may i lol again?
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Kassad Keats
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Posted - 2009.07.02 13:40:00 -
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We Aussies laughed (and then cried) when Bush was voted in for a second time.
Australia == High Sec Carebear land
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Grek Forto
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.07.02 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kassad Keats We Aussies laughed (and then cried) when Bush was voted in for a second time.
Australia == High Sec Carebear land
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.07.05 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rachel Silverside on 05/07/2009 11:59:47
Originally by: StationSpinner ATTN: AUSTRALIA
You may leave: Neighbours, Holly Valance and Paul Hogan at the front door
You must take: Foster's beer, sunshine and Home and Away with you as you leave the premises
Thank you for staying at the Interweb Inn. We hope you've enjoyed your stay.
we hate home and away or as i like to call it homos and gays (no offence but its a crap show and i made the name up when i was like 12 so soz if anyones offended) the only reason its made is that other countries like it or bogans ****ing bogans
EDIT- is the blocker not working hmm i should test it ****, ****, **** -------------------- This sig was awesome but needs more EvE related content. - Zymurgist |
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