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Brad Vrannigan
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:41:00 -
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Hello everyone!
I just wanted to announce that me and a few others have opened a webbased EVE Online Casino
EVE Online Casino
There is more information on the webpage, currently we only have two games, dice and a slot machine.
We are working hard on adding real graphics (through java applets) but at the moment its all ansii based.
The cashin / cashout functions of the website is carefully coded and tested, the games work as they should (and they aren't rigged =P)
I hope you will all take this seriously, because what we're trying to do (except for earning a few isks ourself eheh) is to give people a new way of having fun with their isk.
We will in no way try to scam you, we are working hard on this website so that people (including us) can have fun, not to ruin their day.
Also, the casino will in no way deal with real life currencies or items.
Isk in, isk out is our policy.
Good luck and have a nice day! :)
EVE Online Casino |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:43:00 -
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Just gotta ask.. wowhelper.net?
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Brad Vrannigan
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Just gotta ask.. wowhelper.net?
Temporary domain, another website of mine that kind of failed so I stoped updating it.
If everything runs smoothly we will buy a new domain for it.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:46:00 -
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Cool potatoes. We like EVE players :3
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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:46:00 -
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/me jumps at the chance to entrust his ISK to a ! character and a website that looks like it was thrown together in two minutes flat.
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Brad Vrannigan
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Brad Vrannigan on 27/06/2009 16:48:58
Originally by: Another Liberthas
/me jumps at the chance to entrust his ISK to a ! character and a website that looks like it was thrown together in two minutes flat.
The frontend was put together in less than 10 mintutes to be honest.
What we're currently working hard on is the backend and the casino games :)
However we will improve the design over the next couple of days.
Also I'm sorry that my picture is a '!' but the character itself is over 3 years old :) |
mastergamer
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:50:00 -
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Since things like this happen on your site, I have severe doubts in your coding ability.
Perhaps you'd like to hire me? |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: mastergamer
Since things like this happen on your site, I have severe doubts in your coding ability.
Perhaps you'd like to hire me?
Since you very likely altered the url yourself you have yourself to blame :) I'm not adding failchecks against manually typed urls |
Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:52:00 -
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i accidentally the whole register_globals  |
Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Arous Drephius on 27/06/2009 16:53:58
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Originally by: mastergamer
Since things like this happen on your site, I have severe doubts in your coding ability.
Perhaps you'd like to hire me?
Since you very likely altered the url yourself you have yourself to blame :) I'm not adding failchecks against manually typed urls
No, lol. That actually happens. |
mastergamer
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:56:00 -
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So what if I did alter the URL? That fact that it's possible means you've probably overlooked something else too.
Also, I like your maths skills:
Q: There's alot in it for me (if I win) but what's in it for you?
A: With every hand you play you play in any of our MULTIPLAYER games, we will take a 0.001% fee.
Which means that if the total pot is 1 million isk, 1 000 isk will automatically go to us.
0.001% of 1M is not 1000.
You seem to have broken the site again. Even following one of your links at the top gives errors. Fail. |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Originally by: mastergamer
Since things like this happen on your site, I have severe doubts in your coding ability.
Perhaps you'd like to hire me?
Since you very likely altered the url yourself you have yourself to blame :) I'm not adding failchecks against manually typed urls
No, lol. That actually happens.
Doesnt happen for any of us :) |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: mastergamer
So what if I did alter the URL? That fact that it's possible means you've probably overlooked something else too.
Also, I like your maths skills:
Q: There's alot in it for me (if I win) but what's in it for you?
A: With every hand you play you play in any of our MULTIPLAYER games, we will take a 0.001% fee.
Which means that if the total pot is 1 million isk, 1 000 isk will automatically go to us.
0.001% of 1M is not 1000.
You seem to have broken the site again. Even following one of your links at the top gives errors. Fail.
Its a misstype, and no I didn't break it I took it down and re-uploaded everything |
Another Liberthas
Caldari
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: mastergamer
So what if I did alter the URL? That fact that it's possible means you've probably overlooked something else too.
Also, I like your maths skills:
Q: There's alot in it for me (if I win) but what's in it for you?
A: With every hand you play you play in any of our MULTIPLAYER games, we will take a 0.001% fee.
Which means that if the total pot is 1 million isk, 1 000 isk will automatically go to us.
0.001% of 1M is not 1000.
You seem to have broken the site again. Even following one of your links at the top gives errors. Fail.
I admit his maths is bad, but I'm not seeing any of these errors that you're talking about, and I can't find that link with the square brackets in it either.
Also, what do you means he's overlooked something? Do good websites disable your address bar when you visit them now? |
mastergamer
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Posted - 2009.06.27 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: mastergamer on 27/06/2009 17:03:46
Originally by: Another Liberthas
I admit his maths is bad, but I'm not seeing any of these errors that you're talking about, and I can't find that link with the square brackets in it either.
Also, what do you means he's overlooked something? Do good websites disable your address bar when you visit them now?
I mean that if he didn't code a check for that sort of thing then he could well have missed a check on something that's actually important.
EDIT: Filtering HTML from character names might be a good start. |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: mastergamer
Originally by: Another Liberthas
I admit his maths is bad, but I'm not seeing any of these errors that you're talking about, and I can't find that link with the square brackets in it either.
Also, what do you means he's overlooked something? Do good websites disable your address bar when you visit them now?
I mean that if he didn't code a check for that sort of thing then he could well have missed a check on something that's actually important.
Why would I code a check against if people manually type the wrong url's instead of using the links on the website? ;P |
Another Liberthas
Caldari
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.06.27 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: mastergamer
I mean that if he didn't code a check for that sort of thing then he could well have missed a check on something that's actually important.
Ah, I see. |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 17:17:00 -
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Also, even if it isnt actually a security risk since it only mess up the information displayed to you and nothing else, I made it so that you can't use escape characters in your char name etc, since everyone seems to purposly try to mess the site up.
It sucks actually because im just trying to do this with hopes that ppl would enjoy it and all I've gotten so far is flames from ppl who havent even tried the site out, all they've done is try to mess it up on purpose by means that a normal user should never ecounter ^^ |
Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.06.27 17:47:00 -
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there is (ingame) money involved, ppl of course try to find flaws so they can take over other ppl na,mes or whatsoever to get the wins and get the payout yada..
ppl are that evil
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Some Advisor
there is (ingame) money involved, ppl of course try to find flaws so they can take over other ppl na,mes or whatsoever to get the wins and get the payout yada..
ppl are that evil
I guess ;P
Those issues are solved however.
I hope at least a few people try it out so people can see it's not a scam :) Otherwise we've done this for nothing ;P At least we waited to buy a new domain thank god heh |
Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:06:00 -
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what algorythm are you using for random number generation and
how sophisticated is it in actually generating -random- numbers ?
i hope you dont just rely on inbuild functions from php or java.
also how do you expect people to believe the games are not rigged ? even real world
slot-machines are rigged. most of them actually allow on very fine adjustment of winning chances.
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn
what algorythm are you using for random number generation and
how sophisticated is it in actually generating -random- numbers ?
i hope you dont just rely on inbuild functions from php or java.
also how do you expect people to believe the games are not rigged ? even real world
slot-machines are rigged. most of them actually allow on very fine adjustment of winning chances.
The randomizer algorithms depends on a number of differnet factors for its seed, its completely random.
The game's are not rigged, though admitedly the slot machine (just as real ones) is not a 50/50 chance win factor, but its not rigged either, the odds are fixed.
I guess the only way you can ever figure these things out are by trying the casino out yourself.
If you do not trust us, then first try with only 1 million isk (which is the minimum deposit amount) if you feel you can afford it.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
The randomizer algorithms depends on a number of differnet factors for its seed, its completely random.
are you willing to publish the sourcecode on the seeding and detailled information on the statistical properties of your rng ?
your statement that it is -completly random- is quite bold.
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
The randomizer algorithms depends on a number of differnet factors for its seed, its completely random.
are you willing to publish the sourcecode on the seeding and detailled information on the statistical properties of your rng ?
your statement that it is -completly random- is quite bold.
I can release the tables for the slotmachine, and the dice is simply a random number between 1 - 12.
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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn
your statement that it is -completly random- is quite bold.
I'm pretty sure it's also impossible.
But either way, I am testing this service, with 1 million ISK.
So far, i'm up to 1.27 million. No idea how well their withdrawal works yet.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
The randomizer algorithms depends on a number of differnet factors for its seed, its completely random.
are you willing to publish the sourcecode on the seeding and detailled information on the statistical properties of your rng ?
your statement that it is -completly random- is quite bold.
I can release the tables for the slotmachine, and the dice is simply a random number between 1 - 12.
well, the intersting part is the sourcecode that generates the random number between 1-12, aswell as the random
number used for the slot machine games.
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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:40:00 -
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I hate to say it, but your "games" are more boring than mining. All I'm doing is clicking a plain button on a plain page and watching some text change. At least mining is colourful. |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:40:00 -
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if you trust in your site this is how you find out the faults in it , by other people testing it. This is how games are tested it through QA, and well since it doesnt look like yoru site went through QA the people here ditnt even need to tell you that the site is broken in some ways.
is there ways to ensure people get there money , what kind of financial securities are you giving people that you wont just run off with there money |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Vlaad Brannigan on 27/06/2009 18:45:22
Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
The randomizer algorithms depends on a number of differnet factors for its seed, its completely random.
are you willing to publish the sourcecode on the seeding and detailled information on the statistical properties of your rng ?
your statement that it is -completly random- is quite bold.
I can release the tables for the slotmachine, and the dice is simply a random number between 1 - 12.
Ok if you must know, its rather simple..
For the slots its a random number from 1 - 52
for dice its 1 - 12
It does a normal rand(1, 1000) to add some randomness other than the timestamp
Then takes the current timestamp (not actual TIME but, TIMESTAMP)
and a random timestamp between 1 hour to 10 hours back, adds it together, adds it with the rand calculated in the beginning
and then divides it with a random number between 2 to (maximum allowed without falling under minimum range) until it falls in range (1 - 12 for dice and 1 - 52 for slots);
Hope this clears things up
well, the intersting part is the sourcecode that generates the random number between 1-12, aswell as the random
number used for the slot machine games. |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Another Liberthas
I hate to say it, but your "games" are more boring than mining. All I'm doing is clicking a plain button on a plain page and watching some text change. At least mining is colourful.
Thats valid critisism and I appreciate your opinion.
We're working on the java applets for some games right now, blackjack, different slotmachines, dice, roulette.
Will probably take a good while before we're ready though.
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:48:00 -
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Also forgot to add, that the max amount it divides with is also based on the current value of the variable, that way its more precise.
Hard to explain
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:50:00 -
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you still have failed to answer how people monies are safe
as it being ingame currency and has no real world value
what not to stop you running off with people isk
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
you still have failed to answer how people monies are safe
as it being ingame currency and has no real world value
what not to stop you running off with people isk
How can I possibly answer that?
All I can give is my word. Trust will have to come with time, if enough people try it out and find it to be safe.
All I can say is that I do not intend to run off with people's isk, this was just a fun project for me (one that I take seriously though) and I hoped some people would in some way enjoy it :)
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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.06.27 19:24:00 -
[35]
Well, I've made a bit of ISK on the site, currently awaiting the withdrawal to be processed, will report back when it is.
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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.06.27 19:40:00 -
[36]
Well, I recieved my withdrawal
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Lou Takki
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Posted - 2009.06.27 20:45:00 -
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I tried it,
Indeed the games are boring right now, but it feels like it has a solid back end running everything. I can't vouch for the security of the site but it runs smoothly enough.
I just deposited 3mil, played for a while and came out with 5.4 mil in the end and got my withdrawal within 15 minutes.
A few notes:
 First you should have released this as a "beta" test version. The games are too boring.
Second, if security of gambling monies is going to be an issue you could try to work a deal with eve-bank as a escrow type of deal.
Good luck with your casino, I hope you do well!
Lou Takki
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 20:56:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Lou Takki
I tried it,
Indeed the games are boring right now, but it feels like it has a solid back end running everything. I can't vouch for the security of the site but it runs smoothly enough.
I just deposited 3mil, played for a while and came out with 5.4 mil in the end and got my withdrawal within 15 minutes.
A few notes:
First you should have released this as a "beta" test version. The games are too boring.
Second, if security of gambling monies is going to be an issue you could try to work a deal with eve-bank as a escrow type of deal.
Good luck with your casino, I hope you do well!
Lou Takki
Hiya, the security of the site is fine. The major problem now is that players can in fact by misstake send the isk to the wrong person if they spell the name wrong, however unlikely that is.
I first thought of contracts, but again I can't have infinite number of outstanding contracts.
Oh and this kinda is a beta. Well the backend is stable but the frontend as you say, is plain and boring.
I just didn't want to put too much time into this until I see that there's a market for it.
Also every hour the database is backed up on a totally different server, and this is not something integrated in the site itself so even if someone did manage to crash the database, people's accounts and balances are still intact except for the few caught between the last hour and backup.
It's unfortunate if that would ever happen but it is very unlikely that it would.
By the way if anyone has any ideas for other type of games, feel free to let me know.
Just be prepaired that they will be text based like the others until I am finished with the java api.
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 21:27:00 -
[39]
I just wrote an email to eve bank asking if we can come up with something to automate the transfers at least when the player withdraws his money, so that his money is automatically transfered from our eve bank to the players eve bank.
So let's hope for the best :)
Oh and please give suggestions for new games while we wait for the java api to be finished ;)
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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:03:00 -
[40]
Roulette would be awesome.
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:21:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Roulette would be awesome.
Roulette is one of my favourites as well :)
Will try to work on it and we'll see what happen in the next couple of days.
I just hope to get automated transfer systems working because on weekdays we mostly only have a couple of hours during evening to handle transactions
well movie time now, later everyone and thanks for feedback / critisism |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:53:00 -
[42]
If it becomes popular, one day he will wake up and realize that there is almost xxx billion worth of isk in EVECasino's account and go **** it and run with all the money.
I think if you added in a texas hold'em and other forms of poker you will get quite a lot of business.
Is it legal to bet on real life sports events with isk using this system? |
Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.06.28 06:06:00 -
[43]
to the trust issue... of "course" there is no scamming right now, the income isnt high enough yet..
lets wait until it established some more players after it got more colorful and the iskies rise to a proper level ;P
the end is near :P |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:17:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Vlaad Brannigan on 28/06/2009 13:20:03
Edited by: Vlaad Brannigan on 28/06/2009 13:19:50
Edited by: Vlaad Brannigan on 28/06/2009 13:19:41
Originally by: Some Advisor
to the trust issue... of "course" there is no scamming right now, the income isnt high enough yet..
lets wait until it established some more players after it got more colorful and the iskies rise to a proper level ;P
the end is near :P
You're quick to make assumptions, though I don't blame you.
However this is up to each and every person to decide for himself, there's no need to flame me when you don't even know.
Besides I'm working hard on automated systems, including a withdrawal system that will go automatically through eve bank (if they agree upon doing this).
That way I won't have anything to do with the transactions at all, unless there is some particular case where there's problems and it needs to be done manually.
The server that will automate buy orders are almost finished, it's in testing stage right now to see that it is stable.
After that all you need to do is to send isk with the email you use in eve casino in the reason field, and it will automatically update your eve casino account within 1 hour.
Also, you know it IS a casino. Not everyone wins, alltogether the house wins.
I don't need to scam people to make isk out of this.
Though there still is a fair chance to win, one guy got out with 5.3 mil (started with 3) after only 10 minutes, another one started with 1 mil and got out with 7. |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:24:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
If it becomes popular, one day he will wake up and realize that there is almost xxx billion worth of isk in EVECasino's account and go **** it and run with all the money.
I think if you added in a texas hold'em and other forms of poker you will get quite a lot of business.
Is it legal to bet on real life sports events with isk using this system?
If I would for some reason decide to shut this business down I would first shutdown the site (to stop the betting) then spend the next couple of days paying each and everyone their money back.
Also if this would ever happen, I would likely announce it in good time so most people would be able to withdraw the money themselves before the site shuts down (in which case I'd refund the remaining accounts with positive balance, even those below minimum withdrawal amount)
And I think it's legal to bet on real life sports, since it doesn't involve real money, or even real items.
That is something I've been thinking about adding later on. |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.28 16:28:00 -
[46]
Automated transactions are now online.
You can read further instructions on the website.
All buy orders will be automatically processed within 1 hour.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.28 16:36:00 -
[47]
Since we're gambling, I'd suggest people just send me their money directly. There are fixed odds what they will receive back.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.28 18:13:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Vlaad Brannigan on 28/06/2009 18:15:43
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Since we're gambling, I'd suggest people just send me their money directly. There are fixed odds what they will receive back.
Like any casino, not 50/50 wins.
Don't like it, don't play
I play alot on real money casinos as well and unfortunatly most of the times I lose, though I've been lucky at times and won quite a lot.
It's the same here, either you're lucky or your not.
But the games/odds arent rigged if thats what you're playing at. They don't need to be since the odds are in favor of the house.
If you want fair odds then play holdem or something, not casino games. Casino games are high risk, high reward.
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Morgul Ze
Black Rise Angels
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Posted - 2009.06.28 23:00:00 -
[49]
Liking this :) Have inserted 3mill and lost some, but its all good fun :) |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.29 18:01:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Morgul Ze
Liking this :) Have inserted 3mill and lost some, but its all good fun :)
Good to hear :)
We're close to releasing the first real graphical game.
Had some arguments which lead to ditching java and go with flash instead which is easier to manage for these types of applications.
But then I recalled how much I hate actionscript, so we made a decision to go with microsoft silverlight.
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:00:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Edited by: Vlaad Brannigan on 28/06/2009 18:15:43
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Casino games are high risk, high reward.
That's one way of putting it. The other is that casino games are like burning money. 
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:34:00 -
[52]
Glad to see such abysmal competition.
I've been working on a EVE Casino that uses nothing but PHP and sajax to handle its games, and interfaces with EVE Bank for it's funding source.
I also don't have a WoWish domain name for it, and It's running on a dedicated server.
Oh, and did I mention it is designed to be played from the IGB?
Not sure when it'll be done, not a high priority for now. I don't want to open for business until I have at least 6-8 games and a solid ISK handling system.
Help me move to Iceland! |
MeSo ANGRY
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:53:00 -
[53]
lol @ completely random
lol @ the game is not rigged
rand() is not completely random. how do you make money if the game is not rigged? casino games are rigged by definition. also nice website. im sure you will get a C+ in your highschool introductory to programming course.
ps.
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Peon'c
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:57:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Genya Arikaido
Glad to see such abysmal competition.
I've been working on a EVE Casino that uses nothing but PHP and sajax to handle its games, and interfaces with EVE Bank for it's funding source.
I also don't have a WoWish domain name for it, and It's running on a dedicated server.
Oh, and did I mention it is designed to be played from the IGB?
Not sure when it'll be done, not a high priority for now. I don't want to open for business until I have at least 6-8 games and a solid ISK handling system.
Great to hear there's competition on the way. Sounds nice from a potential customer's point of view.
Meanwhile, his site is up and running (in rough form). While looking forward to seeing your service open, I thought it'd be good to point out that this situation is something that happens a lot in online services including games. By the time you're ready to open, he could have more games, better graphical front end, new domain with redirect from the old - and an established user base.
I'm sure there's some sweet spot for launching between "fast" and "good" but if you're waiting really late and expecting to exist in direct competition* then the new service generally needs to be an order of magnitude better in some respect.
* It's very possibly the market for isk casinos will keep growing and there's plenty of room. :)
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.29 21:10:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Genya Arikaido
Glad to see such abysmal competition.
I've been working on a EVE Casino that uses nothing but PHP and sajax to handle its games, and interfaces with EVE Bank for it's funding source.
I also don't have a WoWish domain name for it, and It's running on a dedicated server.
Oh, and did I mention it is designed to be played from the IGB?
Not sure when it'll be done, not a high priority for now. I don't want to open for business until I have at least 6-8 games and a solid ISK handling system.
I've been in touch with EVE Bank. They don't offer merchant services at the moment.
The current domain is because the site is in beta, and by the way it uses a dedicated mysql server and the other sites on the webserver is barely used at all.
The ISK handling system atm is fine as well, you just send money to the eve casino bank character and a dedicated software will automate it.
If you type the wrong email in the reason field the system catches it so we can send the isk back to that character.
And OT:
While we wait for the real games to finish I created a ****ty blackjack client you can download from the games section.
Its not good in any way but its probably more fun for those of you who can't stand the text-based games.
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Darkstar Deceiver
The New Build
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Posted - 2009.06.29 21:20:00 -
[56]
this website is horrible, your coding is horrible.
you are horrible.
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2009.06.29 21:38:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
I've been in touch with EVE Bank. They don't offer merchant services at the moment.
You sir, are an idiot. Learn to HTML Parse.
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
The current domain is because the site is in beta, and by the way it uses a dedicated mysql server and the other sites on the webserver is barely used at all.
Wonderful, good for you. I own several servers in a dedicated server farm, not that I'd need more than 3 to run my EVE Casino when it's done. Three you ask? Webserver, Master MySQL server, and Replication Slave MySQL server. What's that? You NEVER thought of using database replication for data backup in realtime?
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
The ISK handling system atm is fine as well, you just send money to the eve casino bank character and a dedicated software will automate it.
Mine is even simpler. Open up the EVE Bank site and transfer the ISK from your account to the EVE Casino account. What I do from there, I've already hinted at and will not spell it out for you.
The setup you have now will not scale well as the site grows (if it does). Don't reinvent the wheel. Learn to use your imagination.
Oh, and putting up "****ty" games (your word, not mine) to keep "testers" busy/interested, is a rotten idea in the long run.
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sylar Darkayen on 29/06/2009 22:18:29
Quote:
The randomizer algorithms depends on a number of differnet factors for its seed, its completely random.
It is physically impossible to get a completely logical device, such as a computer, to generate a truly random number without additional hardware.
So. Do you have additional hardware connected? Are you using an online service to get a random number?
I severely doubt your programming skills.
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Morgul Ze
Black Rise Angels
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:25:00 -
[59]
whats up with all the hostility? The website might not have the best layout and lots of cool blinkie stuff - but it works. I think its great fun (eve in windowmode while ratting + blackjack on top makes time go faster) and i bet there are alot that share the same opinion.
The creator have allready stated it is in beta. Changes will come, upgrades will be done and im sure a proper domain will be used when the site is close to fully developed..
Anyways, loving the blackjack (that damn dealer though is a real pain sometimes! :P). Thanks! :)
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Snasty
Caldari
The Hippies
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:42:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Morgul Ze
whats up with all the hostility?
Ditto...
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
4 wing
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:55:00 -
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Obvious scam is obvious.
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Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:10:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Snasty
Originally by: Morgul Ze
whats up with all the hostility?
Ditto...
ditto is a horrible pokemon
mudkip is much better >_<
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.30 05:51:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Morgul Ze
whats up with all the hostility? The website might not have the best layout and lots of cool blinkie stuff - but it works. I think its great fun (eve in windowmode while ratting + blackjack on top makes time go faster) and i bet there are alot that share the same opinion.
The creator have allready stated it is in beta. Changes will come, upgrades will be done and im sure a proper domain will be used when the site is close to fully developed..
Anyways, loving the blackjack (that damn dealer though is a real pain sometimes! :P). Thanks! :)
Thanks, nice to hear :)
I was very quick to up this site because of the fact that I wanted to see if people thought it was a fun idea.
And yes changes will come, tons of them!
And when it comes to random numbers: there are no such thing as a random , even outside of computers. Everything is the cause of actions and the result is depending on the other factors.
Everything is relative!
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Orey Minesalot
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Posted - 2009.06.30 07:15:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Why would I code a check against if people manually type the wrong url's instead of using the links on the website? ;P
It's complete FAIL like this that highlights the differences between seasoned programmers and beginners. I don't expect you'll understand the wisdom in this statement until you become a seasoned programmer, which is a shame, really.
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Brad Vrannigan
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Posted - 2009.06.30 07:31:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Orey Minesalot
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Why would I code a check against if people manually type the wrong url's instead of using the links on the website? ;P
It's complete FAIL like this that highlights the differences between seasoned programmers and beginners. I don't expect you'll understand the wisdom in this statement until you become a seasoned programmer, which is a shame, really.
You're missing the point, this is a BETA.
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Grek Forto
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.06.30 08:26:00 -
[66]
Like one previous poster said, "What's with the hostility?"
Sure, the guy might not be the best programmer, but he stated it's in beta and that he does because he thinks its fun. So you guys that are being haters and not coming with any constructive critisism can **** off.
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2009.06.30 10:53:00 -
[67]
"A: We can only give you our word that we won't scam you. "
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Sylar Darkayen
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:45:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Brad Vrannigan
Edited by: Brad Vrannigan on 30/06/2009 08:20:14
Edited by: Brad Vrannigan on 30/06/2009 08:20:10
Edited by: Brad Vrannigan on 30/06/2009 08:20:05
Originally by: Orey Minesalot
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Why would I code a check against if people manually type the wrong url's instead of using the links on the website? ;P
It's complete FAIL like this that highlights the differences between seasoned programmers and beginners. I don't expect you'll understand the wisdom in this statement until you become a seasoned programmer, which is a shame, really.
You're missing the point, this is a BETA.
The future dedicated webserver will be configured to handle invalid headers.
People are already using your service and it is completely and utterly open to attack. Beta or not, simple things like messed up URL's should be checked for. There is no excuse.
I do not say it is not a great idea, but you made it available to the public way to soon.
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Brad Vrannigan
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:17:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Brad Vrannigan on 30/06/2009 15:20:24
Edited by: Brad Vrannigan on 30/06/2009 15:20:17
Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY
"A: We can only give you our word that we won't scam you. "
I don't know how many times to say this but, if you don't trust the service then don't use it.
And on another topic,
I appreciate all critisism, I really do.
But those of you who already decided that you will never ever use this service, and give criticism just for the sake of flaming me, I don't see the point.
It doesn't help in any way, it doesn't make the service better.
I never said I am some kind of guru and I never said I was any better than you are.
So why are you trying to prove yourself?
This is a fun project that I hope will one day grow into something people can enjoy.
And I already said that the database is backed up each hour to a completely different database, and this service, the information for the backup database or any references to it can NOT be found on the webserver or the first database so even IF someone managed to mess up the site / database, noones isk would go lost.
Please if you are interested enough to point out the bad and the ugly, take interest and try to help improve them.
And when the site is up on a new webserver on a new domain, these issues you call security issues will be solved.
Oh and the cache for the bank characters journal is also backed up with every sync, which occurs every 15th minute.
So that means 96 backups a day of every single transaction that occurs.
On on top of that, every transaction TO the bank character gets emailed with details to a special emailbox wether it is successful or not.
If it's not successful the isk will be sent back to the person who sent the isk.
And this can also be used as yet another layer of backup of the transaction system.
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Morgul Ze
Black Rise Angels
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Posted - 2009.06.30 19:33:00 -
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Confirming all my withrawels have been delivered :)
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Morgul Ze
Black Rise Angels
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:31:00 -
[71]
Quote:
The blackjack client will be unavailable because of maintainance - Logs show one person trying to cheat himself to multiple billions likely by injecting the applications process. The system has failchecks for these kind of things but I want to make sure they are 100% bulletproof
there are cheaters in every casino i guess ^^
But say a person wins the 500million pot in the slotmachine 4 times (however unlikly that is) do you have the liquid ISK to pay that person right away?
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Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:52:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Morgul Ze
Quote:
The blackjack client will be unavailable because of maintainance - Logs show one person trying to cheat himself to multiple billions likely by injecting the applications process. The system has failchecks for these kind of things but I want to make sure they are 100% bulletproof
there are cheaters in every casino i guess ^^
But say a person wins the 500million pot in the slotmachine 4 times (however unlikly that is) do you have the liquid ISK to pay that person right away?
Yeah I do, but its actually 50 million if you hit the 1:100 payout with maxbet since about the same time I released the site I lowered the max bet from 5 million to 500 000 isk.
Sorry for that missunderstanding I'll change the description on the games page right away.
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Delphi Denon
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.04 15:41:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Vlaad Brannigan
Edited by: Vlaad Brannigan on 30/06/2009 07:30:18
And when it comes to random numbers: there are no such thing as a random , even outside of computers. Everything is the cause of actions and the result is depending on the other factors.
Everything is relative!
I'm sorry I'd like to call shenanigans on the comment that there is nothing random - try looking at gamma decay from radioactive samples, that is the only thing that can be used to be totally random - and iirc there is a site on the web who generates random numbers in this way and also has an API for other people to use it.
/Delphi
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Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.07.05 19:25:00 -
[74]
I call shenanigans on this project as it's written in no longer supported technology without such basic stuff like user input filtration. You also show close to no knownledge in matter of software security (you let stuff like that happend: http://www.wowhelper.net/eve/index.php?page=index) and claiming that your your results are "completely random".
Your randomizer doesn't put any more "randomness" into random, you simple compliate this process for some whatever reasons and if somoene was to reproduce it in his enviroment, he can do this without much of trouble, in the same way he was to reproduce just random().
Based on that, i say that this is NOT secure enviroment for playin as there are many possible security holes that can be exploited to manipulate with data stored on server and i advice no one to play on that before he can show us results of complete code audit.
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Morgul Ze
Black Rise Angels
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Posted - 2009.07.06 15:33:00 -
[75]
Any ETA on the blackjack client?
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