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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.06.29 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 29/06/2009 18:32:26 I have been grinding my head over this for days, and I finally got it working thanks to a bit of help from Nyphur and me whacking my head over dozens of CPU issues.
[Myrmidon, The Impossible Myrmidon Pie] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Faint Warp Disruptor I
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Ogre II x2 Hobgoblin II x2 Hammerhead II x1
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: rodensteiner on 29/06/2009 19:15:01 Looks like a Brutix fit, actually.
Got any numbers for us?
*edit* I'd fly it
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Jinnett Steele
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:19:00 -
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good fit imo
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:31:00 -
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This is the fitting you were looking for: [Brutix, Shield neutron] Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Hammerhead II x5
Compared (all all lvl V eft, but yours need implant): Brutix - myrm 43k EHP - 50k EHP 860 dps - 703 dps 965 dps - 762 dps (overloaded, yes you can get 1000 dps with brutix with better ammo)
Yes your myrm has more tackle and ewar also, brutix is faster, and half the price tag (use shield resistance rigs if it makes you feel warm and cozy). And additionally it has the lol-brutix factor.
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Nocturnal Avenger
x13
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 29/06/2009 18:32:26 I have been grinding my head over this for days, and I finally got it working thanks to a bit of help from Nyphur and me whacking my head over dozens of CPU issues.
[Myrmidon, The Impossible Myrmidon Pie]
Purpose ?
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 29/06/2009 18:32:26 I have been grinding my head over this for days, and I finally got it working thanks to a bit of help from Nyphur and me whacking my head over dozens of CPU issues.
[Myrmidon, The Impossible Myrmidon Pie]
Purpose ?
"Hahaha LOLfit Myrm is going down HARD! Ohwtfhull?"
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Commander Yassir
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:48:00 -
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Wait what? Are those Large guns? I like it, and yea, I'd fly it. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Yassir Wait what? Are those Large guns? I like it, and yea, I'd fly it.
No.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Tranquil Vengence
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Yassir Wait what? Are those Large guns? I like it, and yea, I'd fly it.
Medium ammo..... yes, they're large turrets. In fact this fit can go into siege mode as well, you should see this sucker rip.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.06.29 21:23:00 -
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Posted numbers.
Note that using a Hybrid Burst Aerator II, you get a whopping 40 DPS more... which is significantly impressive for only 70 mil.
Not probably the best way to go, but great if you're going to hull tank anyway ;)
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 29/06/2009 22:54:27
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Note that using a Hybrid Burst Aerator II, you get a whopping 40 DPS more... which is significantly impressive for only 70 mil.
Once again demonstrating why you need to stop buying GTCs as a substitute for skill. Only you would think that spending 70 mil on one rig for a T1 battlecruiser (typical price, fully fitted: 50 mil) is anything other than painfully stupid.
edit: especially when you can't even bother spending a tiny fraction of that price on getting a best-named web. Hell, the T1 rigs are more expensive than that web.
PS: your entire idea is almost as bad. The shield buffer fit posted earlier is far, far better, but the Myrmidon is still a pretty poor ship. ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:00:00 -
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err, so I echo, Purpose?
Hull tanking myrm. Eft bragging rights?
and all those x2 drones. Wtf? A flight of mediums > 2 ogres. Flight of smalls > 2 mediums. --
Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Posted numbers.
Note that using a Hybrid Burst Aerator II, you get a whopping 40 DPS more... which is significantly impressive for only 70 mil.
You'd get significantly more than +40 DPS if you spent that 70 mil on a pair of faction MagStabs. You'd get even more DPS and range by dropping the blasters and fitting T2 Pulse with Scorch.
Unbonused Lasers really are that much better than a T2 hybrid rig with unbonused blasters.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 29/06/2009 23:56:55 Sometimes thinking in unique ways improves the mind. Why? Because it's fun and different. And I think it shows hope. I've used it once to beat the snot out of a Harbinger and I'm pretty sure it'd stand a chance against any respectable battleship as well.
Don't knock it unless you've tried it :P
ninja edit: I can EFT all day, but I actually fly this :P
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:14:00 -
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Dear lord what an awful fit.
... and no, any respectable battleship would drop that thing without much effort at all.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:53:00 -
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and merin's fit with neutrons
[Myrmidon, Shield buffer] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Inertia Stabilizers II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
ya know what else looses up the mind, alchohol! drink enough and wake up with a fourm suspension
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Commander Yassir
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Yassir on 30/06/2009 01:03:55 Edited by: Commander Yassir on 30/06/2009 00:57:42
Originally by: Tranquil Vengence
Originally by: Commander Yassir Wait what? Are those Large guns? I like it, and yea, I'd fly it.
Medium ammo..... yes, they're large turrets. In fact this fit can go into siege mode as well, you should see this sucker rip.
Ahh... Being sleep deprived and posting sucks....
Edit: It probably shows that I went into EFT after I read this to see if I could cram a dread sized gun onto a battleship, just to say I did...
Second Edit: HA!
[Myrmidon, Large Guns] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Faint Warp Disruptor I Large Shield Extender II
Anode Mega Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Small Energy Neutralizer II
Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
Psiri
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton and merin's fit with neutrons
Hey, you guys still throwing away needlessly expensive fits at EVE University? If you still are, you should try that fit, seems like a good addition to the previous contributions.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.06.30 02:33:00 -
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It's easy to make fun of a hull tanked ship and there are definitely standard myrm fits that are very effective but I found this fitting quite interesting for a few reasons. The big deal is that it has 50k EHP without sacrificing mid slots, damage, signature radius or a lot of isk. There's also an interesting surprise factor in having 32k EHP in your hull. In a typical small skirmish, think about the physchology of your enemy when they come up against that. Nobody's going to break off an attack when you are almost into hull, even if you're doing a lot of damage. When your shield and armour fold up relatively quickly, they'll expect you're in a complete gank fit and that once they hit your hull you're essentially dead. If it's used cleverly, a hull tanked gank ship might actually prove both effective and cost-effective.
The shield tanked version posted earlier actually does slightly more DPS and is faster but it costs a LOT more, uses up a mid slot and has poorer EHP. Using the same mids as siigari's original fit, a technically better version is a simple armour tanked one:
[Myrmidon, siigari copy 2] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Faint Warp Disruptor I
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Note that while this gets 55k EHP (38k of which is in armour) and increased DPS over siigari's hull fit, trimarks are very expensive compared to hybrid rigs. The hull tanked one will be better if you plan to lose a bunch of them. In that case, tech 2 rigs definitely aren't worth it. Also not sure you'd need the cap injector, you can easily drop it for another web or even another tracking disruptor if you swap the T2 damage control for best named and use a -3% turret CPU implant in slot 10. Alternatively, if you can live with having a short range scrambler, you can swap the injector for a sensor booster, drop the two algid rigs and fit a damage rig to gain that extra 40 DPS back.
Of course this all means squat if it doesn't perform well in actual PvP. Would be an interesting ship to try out, let me know how it performs.
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Wannabehero
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:26:00 -
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While amusing, I think due to your sluggish speed I would have to recommend Pulses over the blasters --
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:45:00 -
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Allow me to introduce a competing Hull tanked Myrm:
Damage Control II Gyrostab II 4x Reinforced Bulkhead II
10MN MWD I Warp Disruptor II Faint Epsilion Scram ** Langour Web ** Or different ewar like tracking disruptor ** Medium Cap Injector II ** Or different ewar like tracking disruptor
6x 425mm AC II
2x Projectile Ambit rigs 1x Projectile Burst rig
2x Ogre II 2x Hammerhead II 1x Hobgoblin II
591 dps -> 633 overheated @ 1.5 + 13km Same tank Much wider engagement range, which is crucial because you're going 813 m/s.
EMP does em/kin/exp and drones do thermal a nice omni attack.
Capless attack - the cap injector essentially lets you keep the tackle when you're neuted, if that's not too much of a concern then you can add some ewar like tracking disruptors, or sensor boosters.
What do you think?
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Lexa Hellfury
The Vainglorious
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Iria Ahrens and all those x2 drones. Wtf? A flight of mediums > 2 ogres. Flight of smalls > 2 mediums.
You're an idiot.
Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
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Wannabehero
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Wannabehero on 30/06/2009 03:59:01
Originally by: Omarvelous What do you think?
I'm thinking Barrage
Or pulses and Scorch.
Seriously, 813m/s. --
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Kazang
Gallente Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.06.30 08:39:00 -
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Hull tanking a myrmidon is ******ed, brutix yeah sure go for it, but myrmidon? No. Wrong ship for that i'm afraid.
As a lol bait it would be ok but still pretty poor. And a bait myrm looks like this:
[Myrmidon, 2x 1600] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Guns to taste, i like mixing up few random types for the "oh this guy is so fail he's mixing guns" effect.
But stats with all V are
545 dps 95k ehp 150 dps active tanked
Just use a brutix for face melting
[Brutix, Shield buffer] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x5
50k ehp 900 dps....... etc
Kazang
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
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Posted - 2009.06.30 10:19:00 -
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I see you're fitting blasters on your slow-as-hell myrm Clearly a good idea
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton and merin's fit with neutrons
Hey, you guys still throwing away needlessly expensive fits at EVE University? If you still are, you should try that fit, seems like a good addition to the previous contributions.
I told them exactly why they shouldn't wardec eve uni, but does anyone listen to me...
and not a chance I would fly a ship like that into battle against eve uni, mostly for the reasons I said not to wardec eve uni. isn't rule number 1 of flying a blaster ship thou shall not fly a blastership into the middle of a blob full of ecm?
although the only trick idle seems to have figured out is warp in with a smartbomb ship.... yea that works great, throw a way a trimark'd ship for 5 frigs and pods.
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:13:00 -
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I am pretty confident that a proper armor tanked myr will beat your setup in virtually every aspect from dps over buffer to speed.
There is also nothing "out of the box" or *gasp* "unique" about it. Good players have already considered it (and hull tanks in general) but found that both shield and armor tanked versions are better by far. I can also cram 200mm plates on my maelstrom and claim to be unique. That wouldn't make it any less stupid/noobish.
Usually if people have stupid ideas i just give them better advice without actually pointing out how stupid they are. But as always your trolling/bragging worked on me and i couldn't resist... *arrrg* curse you --
Originally by: Jasper Dark
I agree! Lets go back into caves and lick rocks!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
The shield tanked version posted earlier actually does slightly more DPS and is faster but it costs a LOT more, uses up a mid slot and has poorer EHP. Using the same mids as siigari's original fit, a technically better version is a simple armour tanked one:
according to my eft, the hull tanked is the cheapest at 110 mil, the shield tanked 128mil, and your armor tank is 143mil. the shield tank hardly a LOT more then the hull tanked version.
each one has a different role, honestly I'd probably fly the armor tanked one most of the time. but the shield one, without the td and with an invlun II, would be best if you have a scimitar around. and for various roaming ops, the agility comes in handy. not only is it faster but reaches speed faster.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton according to my eft, the hull tanked is the cheapest at 110 mil, the shield tanked 128mil, and your armor tank is 143mil. the shield tank hardly a LOT more then the hull tanked version.
True, it's only about 15m more expensive in rigs for the shield and 30m more expensive for the armoured version. But I think you're overstating the cost of the ship and mods significantly. Myrmidon's cost about 35m and the modules can't be over 20m total. After accounting for insurance, the cost of losing an unfitted and insured 35m myrmidon is about 7m, so saving 15 to 30m on rigs does make sense.
They do all have different roles to play in PVP. A shield tanked fit might be nice for a roaming gang, the armoured one is pretty standard and the hull tanked one is unexpected and can have a predictable psychological effect on the enemy. I'd have to agree with the earlier sentiments in the thread though that the Brutix tends to outclass the Myrm in all practical senses. You can get roughly the same EHP and more DPS out of a brutix while being faster and without mixing drone sizes. Even a standard plated brutix with no rigs or hybrid rigs does about the same and I know from experience they're very effective in PVP. When it had its drones nerfed instead of its turrets, the Myrmidon just became an expensive brutix.
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Essence Praetor
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 14:24:00 -
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If you don't plate it you can get 1000 m/s out of one.
637 DPS (without over heat) 433 active tank. 13 min of cap when the MWD is not active.
And no I don't post fits on an open forum.
This is just FWI for all those hull tankers out there.
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