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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:00:00 -
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I know that part of being a good pilot is to be able to recognize the class of a ship just by its type name, but practically, I don't think anyone here knows every single ship type by heart.
There are 30 ship classes in the game (if I counted correctly), some which are further divided into roles. However, all we have to differentiate them in the overview is the overview icon and the Type column. The icon consists of a white bracket of different sizes for player ships, and red/gray crosses of different sizes for NPC ships, and only give a hint on the size of the ship, not its class or role.
You can also enable the "Type" column, but since it's showing the whole string, it takes more space and most people choose not to show it at all because of that. You can also see the type of a ship by hovering your mouse on its target box itself, but you have to do it one by one and then remember which one was which.
For new pilots, this can be a nightmare. This system was fine when the game started in 2003 since there was much less classes of ships (frigate, cruiser, battleship, industrial and shuttle. That was pretty much it).
What I'm proposing is a new overview column that would display an abbreviation of the class/role of the ship in uppercase.
For example:
+---+----------+-------+-----------+----------------------------+ |IC | Distance | Class | Type | Name | +---+----------+-------+-----------+----------------------------+ |[ ]| 50 km | BC | Hurricane | Player 1 | +---+----------+-------+-----------+----------------------------+ |[ ]| 51 km | BS | Typhoon | Player 2 | +---+----------+-------+-----------+----------------------------+ |[] | 100 km | SB | Hound | Player 3 | +---+----------+-------+-----------+----------------------------+ |[] | 121 km | FRG | Rifter | Player 4 | +---+----------+-------+-----------+----------------------------+ |[ ]| 134 km | INT | Claw | Player 5 | +---+----------+-------+-----------+----------------------------+ (Note: I added the Type column just so you can see which type each class matches with in my example.)
Hovering your mouse on one of the type would show a tooltip with the full class name. In addition, that same abbreviation could be overlaid on top of the target ico, or even completely replace the picture of the target.
I'm sure some of you will argue that this would break game balance in some way, but I have yet to see how.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:04:00 -
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:09:00 -
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Ahh, you already have that with the icon. One glance and you know the hull class you're facing: Frig/Dessy, Cruiser/BC, BS/Capital, Industrial.
Granted, they can modify the icons *slightly* to make destroyers distinct from frigs, ect... but please, not another damnable column. The overview already takes up 30% of the screenspace or more.
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hajshdj hjsahjdksa
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:11:00 -
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useless
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Syringe
R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Xerox Ahh, you already have that with the icon. One glance and you know the hull class you're facing: Frig/Dessy, Cruiser/BC, BS/Capital, Industrial.
Not a bad idea, but this.
That and I can't tell you how long me and the corpies have been going back and forth on the designation for battleships. The military folks still call 'em BBs rather than BSs. Damn blackbirds are messin it up for 'em. --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question. |
Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 30/06/2009 15:54:38 Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 30/06/2009 15:52:38
Originally by: Mister Xerox Ahh, you already have that with the icon. One glance and you know the hull class you're facing: Frig/Dessy, Cruiser/BC, BS/Capital, Industrial.
Granted, they can modify the icons *slightly* to make destroyers distinct from frigs, ect... but please, not another damnable column. The overview already takes up 30% of the screenspace or more.
The icons are not different enough, and they don't tell you the class of the ship, only the hull size, and without a base for comparison you can't tell what size it is (i.e. someone mostly playing in High Sec will have a hard time differentiating a Battleship from a Carrier if he never saw one). Especially for player ships, it looks all the same to me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Knowing the hull size alone is pointless when there are over 40 different player ships in the game. A T1 frigate will show the same icon as a T2 frigate, but the T2 one might rip you apart in seconds while the T1 one barely scratches you.
As for the "screenspace", well, every column in the overview is optional, so if you don't want it, just don't check it.
Originally by: Syringe That and I can't tell you how long me and the corpies have been going back and forth on the designation for battleships. The military folks still call 'em BBs rather than BSs. Damn blackbirds are messin it up for 'em.
Well, if CCP makes an official legend for all classes, that would settle it wouldn't it? There would be only one official naming convention for all classes.
But calling Battleships BB's is wrong regardless. Where's the second B coming from anyway?
Originally by: hajshdj hjsahjdksa useless
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:27:00 -
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Yet another feature that makes me want a moddable UI. That said, yeah, if they can do this without too much difficulty, I'm all for it. Wouldn't use it myself, since I've got pretty much every class memorized, but I remember the days when I didn't and would have loved this feature.
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steave435
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:57:00 -
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Quote: I know that part of being a good pilot is to be able to recognize the class of a ship just by its type name, but practically, I don't think anyone here knows every single ship type by heart.
Actually, me and many others do know what shiptype all the shipnames are connected with, aswell as a general idea of the capabilities and usual fighting style for it.
I still can't see any reason for this not be there though, shouldn't be hard to implement, and doesn't hurt anyone, so it still gets a thumbs up from me.
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Otin Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.01 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Otin Bison on 01/07/2009 04:04:21 Supported ... hard to tell the dif between: Cruiser <--> HAC <--> Logistics <--> BC <--> Cmd Ship, etc ...
Plus, being a column you can choose in the overview, if you dont want/need it ... dont check it. Nothing especially witty to say at this time. |
Zostera
Minmatar Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.01 11:38:00 -
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EvE has a learning curve for a reason. Good pilots put some effort into learning each ship and what it is capable of. Additionally, knowing the class doesn't really help with gaining any understanding of it's capabilities vs. the ship or fleet you are in, it is the ship itself you need to learn and it's potential fit that are important since capabilities vary significantly even within class.
I don't see a need to spend any dev time at all on a small change such as this.
Not supported. Zos |
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SubTachyon
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Posted - 2009.07.01 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zostera EvE has a learning curve for a reason. Good pilots put some effort into learning each ship and what it is capable of. Additionally, knowing the class doesn't really help with gaining any understanding of it's capabilities vs. the ship or fleet you are in, it is the ship itself you need to learn and it's potential fit that are important since capabilities vary significantly even within class.
I don't see a need to spend any dev time at all on a small change such as this.
Not supported.
It's small changes that make game better. Learning curve should imply gameplay and tacktiks, and if you noticed developers are trying to reduce the curve, it is a nightmare for a new pilot that is trying to do pvp to remember several hundred ship names by heart, and you cannot afford to go "showinfo" on every ship you encounter because by the time you figure out what ship it is, it either runs or takles you.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.01 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zostera EvE has a learning curve for a reason. Good pilots put some effort into learning each ship and what it is capable of. Additionally, knowing the class doesn't really help with gaining any understanding of it's capabilities vs. the ship or fleet you are in, it is the ship itself you need to learn and it's potential fit that are important since capabilities vary significantly even within class.
I don't see a need to spend any dev time at all on a small change such as this.
Not supported.
I think you're completely missing the point. EVE is not only for the elitist such as you. Casual players also play this game, and if something like this could help that learning curve, then so be it.
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Tommy Blue
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Posted - 2009.07.01 16:05:00 -
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Even if this were to be implemented, you only know a little bit more, not enough to make any difference. So instead of a BC/cruiser hull and a zealot, you know its a HAC and a Zealot. New players still don't know what the hell a Zealot is capable of and have to search it up anyway for its stats as to get a good understanding of its capabilities.
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50freefly
Caldari Cause for Concern Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.01 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar I know that part of being a good pilot is to be able to recognize the class of a ship just by its type name, but practically, I don't think anyone here knows every single ship type by heart.
I do, and so do most competent pilots I know. It's not that hard. Please re-size it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe |
Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.01 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 01/07/2009 18:44:54
Originally by: 50freefly
Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar I know that part of being a good pilot is to be able to recognize the class of a ship just by its type name, but practically, I don't think anyone here knows every single ship type by heart.
I do, and so do most competent pilots I know. It's not that hard.
Not needed for YOU maybe, but there's a ton of casual players who could really use this.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.01 20:56:00 -
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pretty useful imho
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